AOC & Congressional Progressives push back on Jimmy Dore and premature Medicare For All floor votes

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Holding a vote for M4A will get us closer than not doing it at all and it would help Progressive candidates with their base opposing a very unpopular Nancy Pelosi. What was the downside to the vote?

Yeah, if there was an actual plan behind it, not just Jimmy Dore and his Rose MAGA cult screaming, "Agree with me or you're a neoliberal corporatist shill."

Now you've just set the progressive movement back because to all those Rethuglicans and corporate Democrats, it looks like progressives just cannibalize their own when they won't do their bidding.

For all the corporate Dems in congress that we're supposedly going to primary if they vote no, would they really be that shook now after this shytshow? Why would they care now after seeing that progressives can't even get on code, and they'll immediately attack their own just for having a simple disagreement about strategy.

So what's the plan now that this failed? Primary AOC? Primary the whole squad, even though they're the very people to push for m4A? I guess we don't have to worry about primarying a centrist like Abigail Spam Burger since she voted present. :mjlol:

This is the type of shyt Tucker Carlson salivates over, which is interesting because Jimmy Dore is a frequent guest on Tucker. :jbhmm:
 

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Anyone who didn't vote for Pelosi is a reckless idiot and shouldn't be in office. Did you really need that written out for you?

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No but people acting like those same reckless idiots should be dictating how Democrats conduct policy for the past two months need to stop bullshyting. As much as some of you red rose twitter is toxic, people like you who actually have opinions adopting the “pwn the left” equivalent of Republicans “pwning the libs” are just as bad. Because I know you’re not dense and you know damn well what his point is.
 
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Yeah, if there was an actual plan behind it, not just Jimmy Dore and his Rose MAGA cult screaming, "Agree with me or you're a neoliberal corporatist shill."

Now you've just set the progressive movement back because to all those Rethuglicans and corporate Democrats, it looks like progressives just cannibalize their own when they won't do their bidding.

For all the corporate Dems in congress that we're supposedly going to primary if they vote no, would they really be that shook now after this shytshow? Why would they care now after seeing that progressives can't even get on code, and they'll immediately attack their own just for having a simple disagreement about strategy.

So what's the plan now that this failed? Primary AOC? Primary the whole squad, even though they're the very people to push for m4A? I guess we don't have to worry about primarying a centrist like Abigail Spam Burger since she voted present. :mjlol:

This is the type of shyt Tucker Carlson salivates over, which is interesting because Jimmy Dore is a frequent guest on Tucker. :jbhmm:
Their fear and attention is not necessary. Don't see where that enters the equation whether they should be primaried or not. Please let me know.
The plan is to continue to push all politicians to the policies we want. Criticizing pols is not 'cannibalizing your own', I guess all Dems are exempt from criticism and political pressure from the outside by that logic.
The very people to push for M4A just missed a good opportunity what's there plan to bring it up for a vote and when 2025, 2030? If not during a pandemic when?
No Progressive is doing or not doing something based on what Tucker Carlson likes. But I guess you know because you're a frequent viewer? lol
 

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Their fear and attention is not necessary. Don't see where that enters the equation whether they should be primaried or not

That was supposedly the whole point of this. :mjlol: No wonder it failed.

The plan is to continue to push all politicians to the policies we want. Criticizing pols is not 'cannibalizing your own', I guess all Dems are exempt from criticism and political pressure from the outside by that logic.

You're just blatantly lying now. Brie Brie Joy is outchea liking tweets calling AOC a "fukking bytch" and making light of rape to shyt on her. Jimmy Dore spewing misogynistic drivel all because he's mad AOC won't come on his show. "#FraudSquad" trending all because of a strategy disagreement. That is beyond "criticizing pols."

The very people to push for M4A just missed a good opportunity

No, they didn't. Because it was going to fail. Everybody knew it was going to fail, including the very people pushing for it.

And apparently everybody forgot about that pesky little thing called the Senate because even if this miraculously passed the House, it was destined to die on Mitch McConnell's desk since he won't even give out a $2000 stimulus check to his own constituents.

All they 'missed' was some garbage performative nonsense that, surprise surprise, wouldn't get anybody healthcare. :ohhh:
 

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Cats spell out bullshyt all day on here, I'm just making sure the "Spanberger is right" crew aren't skipping out on their helpings :mjpls:
That idiot doesn't know who Abigail Spanberger is. He is on his "own the left" trolling.

No but people acting like those same reckless idiots should be dictating how Democrats conduct policy for the past two months need to stop bullshyting. As much as some of you red rose twitter is toxic, people like you who actually have opinions adopting the “pwn the left” equivalent of Republicans “pwning the libs” are just as bad. Because I know you’re not dense and you know damn well what his point is.
LOL, i wrote my post before seeing you say the same thing. Slim is a troll.

Spanberger and the other seven Democrats who didn't vote Pelosi are telling everyone that they intend to side with the GOP to save their seats from time-to-time. This after the last few years of the establishment Dems telling us that these are who the left need to acquiesce to maintain "Democratic control."

While they type out stupid shyt like "people on the extreme left and right will eventually agree with each other" the Spanberger-types are the one who are flimsy and will vote Republican.
 

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That was supposedly the whole point of this. :mjlol: No wonder it failed.



You're just blatantly lying now. Brie Brie Joy is outchea liking tweets calling AOC a "fukking bytch" and making light of rape to shyt on her. Jimmy Dore spewing misogynistic drivel all because he's mad AOC won't come on his show. "#FraudSquad" trending all because of a strategy disagreement. That is beyond "criticizing pols."



No, they didn't. Because it was going to fail. Everybody knew it was going to fail, including the very people pushing for it.

And apparently everybody forgot about that pesky little thing called the Senate because even if this miraculously passed the House, it was destined to die on Mitch McConnell's desk since he won't even give out a $2000 stimulus check to his own constituents.

All they 'missed' was some garbage performative nonsense that, surprise surprise, wouldn't get anybody healthcare. :ohhh:
It actually wasn't the point, it was to see who voted no and primary those people. Their emotions on the subject are irrelevant.
I'm not on twitter like 96% of people. Stop acting like what happens on there means that's what's actually happening offline. The influence of Nap is obviously strong with you. lol
At least M4A would be in the MSM news cycle and we could again get on the record with something more substantial than a cosponsor list actual votes. I guess you are giving up on the election Tuesday already? The Senate could be majority Dem I thought? lol
They missed an opportunity to show their constituents they are fighting for M4A, which politicians are against it and a chance to show they're not beholden to a very unpopular Speaker Nancy Pelosi. There was no downside to the 'performance'.
 

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It actually wasn't the point, it was to see who voted no and primary those people. Their emotions on the subject are irrelevant.

And this is why this strategy was bound to fail. It's almost as if these neoprogressives don't realize there are more centrists in congress than them. Literally the only way this would have had a chance of passing the House is if a large enough percentage of those moderates voted for it. If they have no fear of a primary challenge, why would they care to vote for this? How many cycles is it realistically going to take to primary all these centrists who won't vote for it. It would take years to even get a chance to get M4A.

I'm not on twitter like 96% of people. Stop acting like what happens on there means that's what's actually happening offline.

What? These were the loudest voices pushing for this and the main ones AOC et al were responding to. You're admitting you're not even informed on what was going on.

At least M4A would be in the MSM news cycle and we could again get on the record with something more substantial than a cosponsor list actual votes.

Those 'actual votes' could be because some moderate was afraid of a primary challenge, or they just voted for it because they knew it was going to fail anyway. There's nothing materially 'more substantial' about the votes unless it actually passed.

. I guess you are giving up on the election Tuesday already? The Senate could be majority Dem I thought? lol

Where it would probably still fail because a self-admitted 'conservative Democrat' like Joe Manchin wouldn't vote for it, not to mention all the other moderates in the Senate. Or McConnell filibusters it and kills it (which no doubt he will) because the Dems have such a narrow majority.

It's almost as if these are the kind of strategy things people like AOC warned about, but nobody wanted to listen because they were too busy calling her a neoliberal sellout whore. :ohhh:

They missed an opportunity to show their constituents they are fighting for M4A,

So you admit that this was all for show and wouldn't get anybody healthcare. Thank you. Why was that so hard? :why:
 

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And this is why this strategy was bound to fail. It's almost as if these neoprogressives don't realize there are more centrists in congress than them. Literally the only way this would have had a chance of passing the House is if a large enough percentage of those moderates voted for it. If they have no fear of a primary challenge, why would they care to vote for this? How many cycles is it realistically going to take to primary all these centrists who won't vote for it. It would take years to even get a chance to get M4A.



What? These were the loudest voices pushing for this and the main ones AOC et al were responding to. You're admitting you're not even informed on what was going on.



Those 'actual votes' could be because some moderate was afraid of a primary challenge, or they just voted for it because they knew it was going to fail anyway. There's nothing materially 'more substantial' about the votes unless it actually passed.



Where it would probably still fail because a self-admitted 'conservative Democrat' like Joe Manchin wouldn't vote for it, not to mention all the other moderates in the Senate. Or McConnell filibusters it and kills it (which no doubt he will) because the Dems have such a narrow majority.

It's almost as if these are the kind of strategy things people like AOC warned about, but nobody wanted to listen because they were too busy calling her a neoliberal sellout whore. :ohhh:



So you admit that this was all for show and wouldn't get anybody healthcare. Thank you. Why was that so hard? :why:
I always said it was performative to try and out co-sponsors who would vote against it. You're the one who keeps repeating "it won't pass" when no one said it would. Pay attention.
There are other places to hear Jimmy's and Brianna's point of view on the subject besides 'tweets'. And AOC didn't reply to either one of them she replied to Justin Jackson on twitter, who really isn't informed again?
Do you think the entire co-sponsors list would vote for M4A if it was put to a vote or nah?
You previously said, "it was destined to die on Mitch McConnell's desk since he won't even give out a $2000 stimulus check to his own constituents." which is an admission you don't think the Dems will win the Senate. lol Now you're juelzing to other reasons to cover the cynical assumption you made. :mjlol:
 

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That's all I needed to read. :wow:
Yeah, if there was an actual plan behind it, not just Jimmy Dore and his Rose MAGA cult screaming, "Agree with me or you're a neoliberal corporatist shill."

Now you've just set the progressive movement back because to all those Rethuglicans and corporate Democrats, it looks like progressives just cannibalize their own when they won't do their bidding.

For all the corporate Dems in congress that we're supposedly going to primary if they vote no, would they really be that shook now after this shytshow? Why would they care now after seeing that progressives can't even get on code, and they'll immediately attack their own just for having a simple disagreement about strategy.

So what's the plan now that this failed? Primary AOC? Primary the whole squad, even though they're the very people to push for m4A? I guess we don't have to worry about primarying a centrist like Abigail Spam Burger since she voted present. :mjlol:

This is the type of shyt Tucker Carlson salivates over, which is interesting because Jimmy Dore is a frequent guest on Tucker. :jbhmm:
Actually you came out guns blazing asking a bunch of other stuff. Smart to drop it now because you're embarrassing yourself. :mjlol:
 
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