American-Liberians=/=African-American

[Supper]

what is #CaribbeanPride? whats up with you guys making up hashtags?

i guess you missed the part about Charles Taylor's supposed Trinidadian heritage being conjecture. You should read more carefully.
even so, i'm not Liberian nor Trinidadian so what ever you're attempting to insinuate means nothing to me
don't know anything about American Liberians having Caribbean connections anyway. I do know Caribbean people went to present day Nigeria, Ghana, and especially Sierra Leone

There are multiple sources that attest to Charles Taylor's Trinidadian ancestry.
The New Dawn Liberia - Charles Taylor and His Six Prison Journeys


Well, you now you can learn something new about your folks.

Americo-Liberian and Congo are currently interchangeable and refer to an ethnic group composed of the descendants of the various free and ex-slave African American, Caribbean, Recaptive, and Sierra Leone Creoles who settled in Liberia from 1822.

Americo-Liberian - WikiVisually

West Indian immigrants in Liberia, some of which founded the Americo-Liberian settlment of Crozerville, Liberia
http://www.afrikanheritage.com/from...to-the-first-barbadian-settlement-in-liberia/

But, sure go ahead and continue to gaslight.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Those are indicators to to identify Immigrants. There is no method that collects info about the descendents of these people where “Country” - American can be used as a legitimate ethnicity.

Not arguing.

 

[Apollo Creed]

There are multiple sources that attest to Charles Taylor's Trinidadian ancestry.
The New Dawn Liberia - Charles Taylor and His Six Prison Journeys


Well, you now you can learn something new about your folks.

Americo-Liberian - WikiVisually

West Indian immigrants in Liberia, some of which founded the Americo-Liberian settlment of Crozerville, Liberia
http://www.afrikanheritage.com/from...to-the-first-barbadian-settlement-in-liberia/

But, sure go ahead and continue to gaslight.

Are you trying to say AAs had nothing to do with Liberia or pointing out various groups of blacks from the new world had just as equal input?

Much of the Liberian architecture was based on the American south lol on top of the big influence the AME church had in Liberia.

 

[BigMan]

There are multiple sources that attest to Charles Taylor's Trinidadian ancestry.
The New Dawn Liberia - Charles Taylor and His Six Prison Journeys


Well, you now you can learn something new about your folks.

Americo-Liberian - WikiVisually

West Indian immigrants in Liberia, some of which founded the Americo-Liberian settlment of Crozerville, Liberia
http://www.afrikanheritage.com/from...to-the-first-barbadian-settlement-in-liberia/

But, sure go ahead and continue to gaslight.

not liberian or trinidadian try again
btw maybe you should read up on what the conjunction "if" means

what is #CaribbeanPride? whats up with you guys making up hashtags?

i guess you missed the part about Charles Taylor's supposed Trinidadian heritage being conjecture. You should read more carefully.
even so, i'm not Liberian nor Trinidadian so what ever you're attempting to insinuate means nothing to me
don't know anything about American Liberians having Caribbean connections anyway. I do know Caribbean people went to present day Nigeria, Ghana, and especially Sierra Leone

See red text.

oh and i'm also not Bajan either

 

[thatrapsfan]

So what’s the point exactly? Is the claim that African descendants of slavery in the US are morally superior through genetics or something? I know someone referenced it in the previous thread but this rebuttal is as silly. Does this mean Freed slaves from places outside of the US were more genetically/culturally inclined to have set up an oppressive state? The logic from both sides of this argument is strange.

 

[Apollo Creed]

So what’s the point exactly? Is the claim that African descendants of slavery in the US are morally superior through genetics or something? I know someone referenced it in the previous thread but this rebuttal is as silly. Does this mean Freed slaves from places outside of the US were more genetically/culturally inclined to have set up an oppressive state? The logic from both sides of this argument is strange.

Dont think there is a point honestly because Im consistently seeing people argue plints that Ive never even seen anyone else mention

 

[Bawon Samedi]

So what’s the point exactly? Is the claim that African descendants of slavery in the US are morally superior through genetics or something? I know someone referenced it in the previous thread but this rebuttal is as silly. Does this mean Freed slaves from places outside of the US were more genetically/culturally inclined to have set up an oppressive state? The logic from both sides of this argument is strange.

No one is even claiming or arguing that. I don't know how you brought that up.

Point is Americo-Liberians were for the most are not the same as modern day AAs. Especially when people try to say AAs ruined Liberia. Americo-Liberians for the most part were not even enslaved but freed blacks. And so their experience was different from the average AA.

 

[xoxodede]

So what’s the point exactly? Is the claim that African descendants of slavery in the US are morally superior through genetics or something? I know someone referenced it in the previous thread but this rebuttal is as silly. Does this mean Freed slaves from places outside of the US were more genetically/culturally inclined to have set up an oppressive state? The logic from both sides of this argument is strange.

Huh? It's clearing up misconceptions.

 

[BigMan]

No one is even claiming or arguing that. I don't know how you brought that up.

Point is Americo-Liberians were for the most are not the same as modern day AAs. Especially when people try to say AAs ruined Liberia. Americo-Liberians for the most part were not even enslaved but freed blacks. And so their experience was different from the average AA.

Huh? It's clearing up misconceptions.

Question: do you guys considered WEB DUbois black or AA?

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Question: do you guys considered WEB DUbois black or AA?

Dubois unlike those Americo-Liberians actually experienced AA struggles such as Jim Crow and identified as AA when the ethnicity was being born after slavery. Would not disagree if you consider those Americo-Liberians AA, but not everyone will imo.

Its like New World Blacks branching off from West-Central Africans EARLY and becoming their own group. But now in West-Central Africa we no longer have Ashanti, Dahomeny or Oyo empires/kingdoms but instead new countries such as Ghana, Benin and Nigeria.

 

[xoxodede]

Are you trying to say AAs had nothing to do with Liberia or pointing out various groups of blacks from the new world had just as equal input?

Much of the Liberian architecture was based on the American south lol on top of the big influence the AME church had in Liberia.

The point is really to showcase these people were not our ancestors. The AME Church you are speaking of was established by freedman who had been enslaved in the 1700's. They were also successful and owned owned other Black people. Our ancestors were not these people - the majority of Black Americans ancestors came over in the 1800's towards the end of the 1807 Abolishment of African Slave Trade and born in America -- and remained enslaved till Emancipation.

The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that stated that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.​

For instance:

Richard Allen was born into slavery on February 14, 1760, on the Delaware property of Benjamin Chew. When he was a child Allen and his family were sold to Stokeley Sturgis, who had a plantation in Delaware. When Sturgis had financial problems he sold Richard's mother and two of his five siblings. Allen had an older brother and sister left with him and the three began to attend meetings of the local Methodist Society, which was welcoming to slaves and free blacks. They were encouraged by their master Sturgis, although he was unconverted. Richard taught himself to read and write. He joined the Methodists at age 17. He began evangelizing and attracted criticism from local slave owners. Allen and his brother redoubled their efforts for Sturgis so no one could say his slaves did not do well because of religion.[4]

The Reverend Freeborn Garrettson, who had freed his own slaves in 1775, began to preach in Delaware. He was among many Methodist and Baptist ministers after the American Revolutionary War who encouraged slaveholders to emancipate their people. When Garrettson visited the Sturgis plantation to preach, Allen's master was touched by this declaration and began to give consideration to the thought that holding slaves was sinful.[5] Sturgis was soon convinced that slavery was wrong and offered his slaves an opportunity to buy their freedom. Allen performed extra work to earn the money and bought his freedom in 1780, after which he changed his name from "Negro Richard" to "Richard Allen".[6​

 

[Supper]

Are you trying to say AAs had nothing to do with Liberia or pointing out various groups of blacks from the new world had just as equal input?

Latter.

Also, what about the influence of Edward Wilmot Blyden(virgin islander) who emigrated to liberia became a politician and worked with the ACS to settle black west indians in Liberia.
Edward Wilmot Blyden - Wikipedia

 

[BigMan]

Dubois unlike those Americo-Liberians actually experienced AA struggles such as Jim Crow and identified as AA when the ethnicity was being born after slavery. Would not disagree if you consider those Americo-Liberians AA, but not everyone will imo.

Its like New World Blacks branching off from West-Central Africans EARLY and becoming their own group. But now in West-Central Africa we no longer have Ashanti, Dahomeny or Oyo empires/kingdoms but instead new countries such as Ghana, Benin and Nigeria.

i would considered Americo Liberians as a derivative/related group to AAs. I'm confused because OP seems to be saying free people of color are different than blacks/AA

 

[xoxodede]

Question: do you guys considered WEB DUbois black or AA?

He was Creole. But, some Creole's chose to identify as Black. Some didn't. He did.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

i would considered Americo Liberians as a derivative/related group to AAs. I'm confused because OP seems to be saying free people of color are different than blacks/AA

One can argue that they are. Free people did not experience slavery which was a big traumatic event in AA history. Not only that but those free Americo-Liberians left before the arrival of jim crow.