American-Liberians=/=African-American

[BigMan]

Ok - for instance JJ Jenkins: he is classified as "Free Person of Color" because he fell into this category:

In some cases, planters or other relatively wealthy white men took slave women or free women of mixed race as concubines. If the woman was enslaved, the man might free her and their children, adding to the class of free people of color. Such planters often sent their mixed-race sons to France for education and service in the military, and sometimes settled property on them.​

W.E. Dubois is Creole due to him having French Creole Ancestry:

was born three years after the American Civil War on February 23, 1868, in Great Barrington, Massachussetts.
His mother was Mary Sylvania Burghardt, a short and attractive brown-skinned woman who worked most of her life as a domestic in Great Barrington.His mulatto father, Alfred Du Bois, was a descendant of French Huguenot ancestry from Haiti and a barber by trade.

Du Bois knew much less about his father, although he was able trace his father's ancestry to a seventeenth-century white French Huguenot farmer residing in the west Indies named Chretien Du Bois. Further down the lineage was Du bois's grandfather, the short, stern Alexander Du Bois, who was light enough to pass for white but chose a black identity instead.Du Bois was prolific as a scholar, author, editor, writer, and social activist. He combined his scholarship with organized social protest from 1896 to 1963, producing an enormous amount of written work in history and sociology as well as critical pieces about current events. His amazing ability to utilize the unique insights of so many disciplines gave his work depth and beauty. French Creole | Homer Plessy​

so is he AA?

 

[Apollo Creed]

American Liberian checking in ... idk much about Liberia history only about what happend to the president that was cleaning up the country. My folks told me Israel soldiers and Americans overthrew the government and cut the president ear off and torture him. People were selling the videos. My cousin told me he was ecasping war and saw a bunch of wild shyt. Nothing but carnage. I'm good.

It was the CIA lol that took him out. And he didn't;t get his ear cut off that was Doe that did.

 

[Apollo Creed]

And the thread title is terribly in correct lol.

I've never seen a Liberian in my life say African Americans created Liberia, they all say Former Slaves.

The only people who I have ever seen mention African Americans and Liberias are people who have nothing to do with the country or someone who misspoke.

All this other stuff people are arguing about is irrelevant and doesnt defeat the fact there were Blacks from America among other places who came to Liberia and the ACS of course was American backed.

If you want to play semantics that on you.

 

[xoxodede]

so is he AA?

During that time, he had the choice to pass and be white -- but he chose to be Black. I respect it and am grateful.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Also the Liberian Constitution specifically states only people of Negro ancestry can be Liberians so if we are saying AAs aren't or never were considered NEgros then that is fine by me as it's not my history to define.

 

[BigMan]

During that time, he had the choice to pass and be white -- but he chose to be Black. I respect it and am grateful.

i don't know what that means
to me, my son wrote about double consciousness, went to an HBCU, and repatriated to Africa. that nikka black to me

 

[xoxodede]

And the thread title is terribly in correct lol.

I've never seen a Liberian in my life say African Americans created Liberia, they all say Former Slaves.

The only people who I have ever seen mention African Americans and Liberias are people who have nothing to do with the country or someone who misspoke.

All this other stuff people are arguing about is irrelevant and doesnt defeat the fact there were Blacks from America among other places who came to Liberia and the ACS of course was American backed.

If you want to play semantics that on you.

Not true though. You can google and it says Former American Slaves and Liberia. Which to everyone but you means African-American.

 

[Premeditated]

Northern Liberia may have been apart of some West African empires.

I mean, I figured that's the case, but I think it was just a colony of the empires from north of the country

Doe was the one they cut his ear off?

yup

it was all on camera too. I saw it when I was a kid.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Just so I have confirmation, are AAs saying that AAs didn't exist until a certain year? And are they are saying any reletaives they had prior to that year are NOT AAs?

Lynchburg’s Americo-Liberians risked everything for freedom, rights

This Article uses the term "AA" a few times like here:
"They were among 3,700 Virginians who emigrated to Liberia as part of the American Colonization Society’s efforts to remove African-Americans from the states and in the process Christianize the old continent."

Are we saying these people who were Black and Descendants of American Slaves between 1829 and 1865 ARE DIFFERENT then the people who call themselves African American currently?

Also if they ARE different, and people are saying African Americans came into existence AFTER 1865 (when slavery was abolished) are we now saying these people are different than the blacks before them who were Descendants of American Slavery?
Like I said it's not my ethnic group so help me understand for future reference.

 

[xoxodede]

Just so I have confirmation, are AAs saying that AAs didn't exist until a certain year? And are they are saying any reletaives they had prior to that year are NOT AAs?

Lynchburg’s Americo-Liberians risked everything for freedom, rights

This Article uses the term "AA" a few times like here:
"They were among 3,700 Virginians who emigrated to Liberia as part of the American Colonization Society’s efforts to remove African-Americans from the states and in the process Christianize the old continent."

Are we saying these people who were Black and Descendants of American Slaves between 1829 and 1865 ARE DIFFERENT then the people who call themselves African American currently?

Also if they ARE different, and people are saying African Americans came into existence AFTER 1865 (when slavery was abolished) are we now saying these people are different than the blacks before them who were Descendants of American Slavery?
Like I said it's not my ethnic group so help me understand for future reference.

I'm saying the same people who went to Liberia were not our ancestors.

 

[Hoodoo Child]

Shorty came through with the receipts @xoxodede This was an interesting read. Wish I could rep you

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I would say they were early stage Aframs who largely never went through the full struggle(s) that materialized modern Afram identity because they bounced from the USA early in Afram history. Yes, they were free people of color but their african ancestors were forced on the boats to the USA.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Americo-Liberians like Sierra Leone Creoles are actually, Afram + West Indians + Native Africans

 

[Apollo Creed]

Americo-Liberians like Sierra Leone Creoles are actually, Afram + West Indians + Native Africans

And this is why "Liberian English" is a mix of American South + West Indian vernaculars.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Question: do you guys considered WEB DUbois black or AA?

dubois lived and went through the afram struggle way longer than them cats who wanted to go to liberia, since they bounced in an early part of afram history. Alot aframs in those times looked at the emigrants to LIberia as cowards because they didn't want to stay in/on the land that they had full rights to claim and fight.