American-Liberians=/=African-American

[Apollo Creed]

Stop it... You're Liberian-American. Either address the OPs point or don't bother. Simple.

Boy if you dont shut your dumb ass up.

How you gonna be arrogant and not even know the difference between Nationality and Ethnicity?



Get your goofy ass on and visit Liberia if you want to learn about it.. but guess what you wont instead you tag me to carry on some imaginary beef while trying to hide it under the guise of scholarship.



This convo is done.

 

[MajorVitaman]

This addresses some myths..


@IllmaticDelta @Supper @Poitier @Akan @EastCoastNaga @LordCashmere @The Odum of Ala Igbo @Premeditated @Tony_Bromo @The M.I.C.

I have heared the "DOS ruined & colonized Liberia with their capitalist mindset so y'all don't need to come to Africa" talking points in some (alleged) 'radical' circles. & that always raised a red flag in the back of my head. Especially when they were so eagerly cosigned by white boys

 

[Supper]

America/Congo-Liberians aren't African-Americans, as African-Americans didn't even exist as a distinct ethnic group at the time that the "congo" class of Liberia was established. The majority of the "Congo" class in Liberia weren't even of US-born stock, but of recaptive freed slaves mostly from the Congo that were intercepted in route to be shipped on the transatlantic slave trade or were shipped as slaves to the Americas at some point in their lives, but campaigned to be returned back to Africa. That was who the American Colonization Society (ACS) mostly settled in Liberia. Many of them also came from Caribbean stock like Charles Taylor who was half native and half Caribbean(trinidad) slave stock.
Project MUSE - Liberia and the Last Slave Ships

Here's an example of so called "African-Americans" from the US who settled in Liberia and founded the colony of New Georgia.
Antelope (1802 slave ship) - Wikipedia

The "Congo" class of Liberia were hardly African-Americans in any sense of the word. That's a helluva reach on your part to try to desperately pin some wrongdoing to Africans on AAs, dude.

 

[Premeditated]

This addresses some myths..


@IllmaticDelta @Supper @Poitier @Akan @EastCoastNaga @LordCashmere @The Odum of Ala Igbo @Premeditated @Tony_Bromo @The M.I.C.

I'm waaaay too high to be reading all that. I'm tryna chill and watch random shyt on youtube. I'll read it in a couple of hours and post my take.

 

[xoxodede]

interesting. subs, but without having read everything, I just want to point out that most people of African descent who were classified as FPOC, had ancestors who were enslaved, perhaps as recently as their parents' generation.

Definitely -- true.

But most who were labeled as such - especially in places like Virginia, New Orleans and Charleston - were "mulatto" -- and did not classify themselves as Black. As they usually were Creole. That is [Virginia] where the bulk of those who went to Liberia came from. Source: An African Republic: Black and White Virginians in the Making of Liberia

Many were freed descendants of enslaved women and their white owners, or refugees from the Haitian slave revolts -- who immigrated to New Orleans from Saint Domingue around 1791-1804.

"Creoles" were not classified as "Black" or "White." They were their own ethnic/racial classification --- an entirely separate ethnic group/distinction from Black people who were enslaved in the U.S. They moved to areas like NO, Virginia, Charleston and Mobile and establish vibrant free communities of color.

 

[Samori Toure]

OP I have a couple of points that I would make.

Anytime people discuss Liberia I think that Sierra Leone also has to be discussed, because many African Americans settled there as well after the American Revolution ended when the British resettled the African Americans that fought with the English. Many Africans that don't have roots in Sierra Leone and Liberia don't seem to understand that African Americans actually have history in those two countries.

The second point that I would make is that Liberia and Sierra Leone and the regions around those areas are major places of embarkation for African Americans ancestors that were enslaved. African Americans that take Ancestry DNA and get a high score on Ivory Coast/Ghana are almost certainly descended from the Mande people (Mandingos, Mende, Susu, Vai, Loko, Kpelle, etc.) in and around Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ivory Coast. So African Americans with roots in South Carolina, North Carolina and Georgia are almost certainly going to be genetically connected to the people around Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and Ivory Coast.

 

[Supper]

Some "African-Americans", huh...............

New Georgia is a township in Montserrado County, Liberia[1] that was first settled by Africans who had been taken from slave ships seized or wrecked near the United States and then sent to Liberia after several years had passed.

New Georgia, Liberia - Wikipedia

 

[BigMan]

so they not AA because they was light skinnted huh

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Boy if you dont shut your dumb ass up.

How you gonna be arrogant and not even know the difference between Nationality and Ethnicity?



Get your goofy ass on and visit Liberia if you want to learn about it.. but guess what you wont instead you tag me to carry on some imaginary beef while trying to hide it under the guise of scholarship.



This convo is done.

I find it funny that your ass THIS emotional. When i NEVER came at you that way or had issues with you. I can careless about some dumbass beef. I tagged you because you are LIBERIAN American(are you not) and was seeing if you can offer a DIFFERENT viewpoint from the OP. But that seems to not be the case. Anyways out...

 

[Apollo Creed]

so they not AA because they was light skinnted huh

This a troll thread breh. There were black people from various countries in the West who went back to places like Liberia and Sierra Leone. There is a reason surnames liek Tubman and Tolbert are/were very common in those nations and very common in the Carolinas and coastal ga.

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I'm waaaay too high to be reading all that. I'm tryna chill and watch random shyt on youtube. I'll read it in a couple of hours and post my take.

You're half Liberian right? Just wanna hear YOUR viewpoint. Has nothing to do with no silly "beef."

 

[Supper]

so they not AA because they was light skinnted huh

Your boy Charles Taylor, the ruthless dictator, was of Trinidadian decent on his father's side.

#CaribbeanPride

 

[xoxodede]

OP I have a couple of points that I would make.

Anytime people discuss Liberia I think that Sierra Leone also has to be discussed, because many African Americans settled there as well after the American Revolution ended when the British resettled the African Americans that fought with the English. Many Africans that don't have roots in Sierra Leone and Liberia don't seem to understand that African Americans actually have history in those two countries.

The second point that I would make is that Liberia and Sierra Leone and the regions around those areas are major places of embarkation for African Americans ancestors that were enslaved. African Americans that take Ancestry DNA and get a high score on Ivory Coast/Ghana are almost certainly descended from the Mande people (Mandingos, Mende, Susu, Vai, Loko, Kpelle, etc.) in and around Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia and Ivory Coast. So African Americans with roots in South Carolina, North Carolina and Georgia are almost certainly going to be genetically connected to the people around Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and Ivory Coast.

I agree --- but in terms of Black Americans who were enslaved here migrating to Liberia during the 1800's -- it's simply not true.

Most Black Americans ancestors were not granted freedom until 1865 - even when they escaped they went North (or Canada) and stayed there. They did not go to want to go to Liberia and didn't.

 

[Premeditated]

You're half Liberian right? Just wanna hear YOUR viewpoint. Has nothing to do with no silly "beef."

imma be honest, Liberian history pre 1960s has never interest me.

It's not like we had any advance civilization or ancient ruins for it to gather my attention. I only know of Liberian history from Samuel K Doe planning the coupe til now. Anything before that hasn't grabbed my attention.

 

[BigMan]

Your boy Charles Taylor the ruthless dictator was of Trinidadian decent on his father's side.

#CaribbeanPride

not liberian or trinidadian try again
btw maybe you should read up on what the conjunction "if" means