AMC Theaters are banning Universal Pictures films

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Home theater setup on the Coli:



Home theater setup in reality:

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Movie theaters aint going nowhere

:russ: Not only is that pretty funny it highlights the march of progress. The acceleration.

I had a crt tube tv worse than that, the ones you had to change the channel with pliers.

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Now I tell alexa to put on HBO on a 60 inch 4k tv.

Home Theaters will be here before you know it, a decent entry level setup is on the way.

It'll be as normal as the cost of a kitchen renovation.

People just haven't had a true home theater experience yet, just wait.

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Game of Thrones is a weekly program with timed slots. Consistency is key to marketing.

Sponsoring something is about getting eyeballs.

You can’t do math. That’s the problem. If marketing were an exact science, everything would get the same attention as any other movie.

The reason kids cereal is eye level in stores is cause they know kids are around a certain height and will see it.

The scary part about VOD is that consumers will have the power over when to see something. For the past 30 years, Hollywood has been pumping bigger and bigger money behind opening weekends.

if I know I can wait out 20 dollar/48 hr rentals for a month to buy for 12 bucks or steal it. Why would I?


This is similar to what happened when DVR and TIVO came. Advertising didn’t like you running past their ads or waiting a week to watch the shows.

They do the math on marketing all the time, it's called. . . . wait for it. . . . market research.

You still haven't explained how Endgame VOD would lose money.

Hell Endgame's Home Release did $30 Million digitally it's first week. Every problem you suggest has an inevitable solution.

Piracy happens in theaters, and out of theaters - but it doesn't decimate earnings, not everyone pirates movies.

Piracy hasn't prevented Netflix from being a juggernaut.

And what does children's cereal being eye level have to do with anything?
 

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They do the math on marketing all the time, it's called. . . . wait for it. . . . market research.

You still haven't explained how Endgame VOD would lose money.

Hell Endgame's Home Release did $30 Million digitally it's first week. Every problem you suggest has an inevitable solution.

Piracy happens in theaters, and out of theaters - but it doesn't decimate earnings, not everyone pirates movies.

Piracy hasn't prevented Netflix from being a juggernaut.

And what does children's cereal being eye level have to do with anything?

Marketing Research doesn’t mean exact outcomes

I said there aren’t exact numbers. Marketing cost doesn’t equal an exact outcome. You can sink 5 million into a Blair Witch and get 100million box office and 50 million on Tron Legacy and barely reach 100 million


Piracy in and of itself isn’t the issue. It’s the amount of value the movie has when priced for home viewing vs the theater. If people don’t think X blockbuster is worth 20 dollars for 2 days you will lose more money than if they go to the theater for 8. The amount of time between theater to rent to HBO will be cut down to rent and HBO.
 

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Marketing Research doesn’t mean exact outcomes

I said there aren’t exact numbers. Marketing cost doesn’t equal an exact outcome. You can sink 5 million into a Blair Witch and get 100million box office and 50 million on Tron Legacy and barely reach 100 million

I know nothing is exact, that doesn't mean it's impossible to give me a rough scenario on how Endgame VOD would lose money.

You don't get to just make that claim and walk away, not when streaming revenues are neck and neck with the global box office.
 

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And what does children's cereal being eye level have to do with anything?

The cereal analogy is to prove my point about marketing wanting consistency.

Children of a certain age and height are the main consumers of cereal. So they did marketing research on colors and images to catch their eye. And the boxes are placed at their eye level so they can reach it.


Game of Thrones came with 8 new episodes every Sunday. Marketing knows the average age, sex, and interest of the people who watch it. So they can turn around and sell the show to to advertisers who will fit those demos.

With VOD they would lose a lot of information about who exactly is watching those movies. Eating habits. And things they also might like.

You use your mom’s account to purchase 5 comic book movies over spring break and once you are gone your mom isn’t going to be getting the types of ads she is interested in. She’s getting yours.
 

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I know nothing is exact, that doesn't mean it's impossible to give me a rough scenario on how Endgame VOD would lose money.

You don't get to just make that claim and walk away, not when streaming revenues are neck and neck with the global box office.

Im sorry. I just used Endgame and Bloodshot as examples of two ends of a spectrum. Hollywood makes money off the bigger budget movies so they can finance the lower cost.

Changing how much outside financing they get for their bigger budgets means they take on more risk.
 

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The cereal analogy is to prove my point about marketing wanting consistency.

Children of a certain age and height are the main consumers of cereal. So they did marketing research on colors and images to catch their eye. And the boxes are placed at their eye level so they can reach it.


Game of Thrones came with 8 new episodes every Sunday. Marketing knows the average age, sex, and interest of the people who watch it. So they can turn around and sell the show to to advertisers who will fit those demos.

With VOD they would lose a lot of information about who exactly is watching those movies. Eating habits. And things they also might like.

You use your mom’s account to purchase 5 comic book movies over spring break and once you are gone your mom isn’t going to be getting the types of ads she is interested in. She’s getting yours.

I can see this being a problem for a small indie film trying to find it's audience, not for Endgame which is made capture as many demographics as possible.

Also VOD has data, they just don't make it public. It's an evolving field. But it isn't hard to get locations pinged to servers and match that up with other available data to form a market profile. Data is literally everywhere.

Not to get too in the weeds but, for example : Ping location, find nearby grocery stores, zipcode demographics racial makeup, income etc etc. Is there a McDonald's nearby? Yes? Okay maybe we'll pay to run an promotional tie-in ad.

Targeted advertising is done all the time, and it's getting more sophisticated.

Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, they all have algorithms.

The train isn't coming off the tracks.

Oh and the comic book example is an outlier when looking at all purchases made. It just doesn't happen enough to call into question, who's account it is.
 
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Movie theaters are apart of american culture so I dont see it going anywhere but the prices are ridiculous to be honest. I catch the matinee showing most times.

Once upon a time blockbuster and video giant were apart of american culture...how did that end up ?

The theater industry has a long road back...

We won't really know what will happen with the theater industry until we see how some non franchise summer blockbuster movies do...

Of course people are going to go back to the theaters for fast and furious and the next marvel movie...

But lets see what the next non franchise Rock action movie does...
 

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Y’all sound silly and old as hell. Bout to get left in the dust, no thanos :mjlol:

*1980s-1990s*
nothing beats the experience of hanging in the mall with your boys, meeting up in the food court, talkin to girls :banderas:

*now*
Amazon prime is life :ahh:


Convenience will always overtake whatever “experience” you think you are getting, in all aspects of life. The only thing that may stay is the big blockbusters having an opening night. And again even with that you can’t hear half the movie, you are paying $100 dollars for the tickets and food, and you have some a$$hole kicking in your chair all night.
 

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I enjoy the movie theater experience and I hope it can recover but this looks like a horrible misplay by AMC. Their future is unclear even without Universals decision.

Both companies are doing the smart thing to survive I just believe AMC has no sturdy ground to stand on atm.
 
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