Allen Iverson type opinions on 'Black on Black' Crime - A Dialogue

[Ineedmoney504]

I agree with AI. I know was born in the hood in new Orleans and we was taught to celebrate the killer, he was the man we wanted to be,

“They say you nobody til you kill somebody” is a real life thought process, I can think of countless times dudes in the hood would prey on others for no reason

And we can say “well we are in close proximity of each other” but that’s bullshyt cause our hoods having been getting gentrified at a rapid rate in some of the most notorious hoods and white bodies are nothing getting dropped, robberings of white people or other races aren’t rising

A random white person can walk thru more hoods than a random black persons.


It’s sad and this shyt sucks

And we can say the fbi/government is killing our leaders which is true, but at a certain point we have to hold that black person accountable for his action, no fukking way a black should have ever signed up to kill Malcolm

 

[Roland Coltrane]

What message are we sending to black youth when we get all up in arms when a white person kills a black man, but when a black person kills a black man, we aren’t nearly as upset, unless it’s a famous rapper

 

[DPresidential]

@mag357 respect.

We know, literally, that crime amongst black people on victims of their same demograohic is a real thing like it is with every demo.

What we are touching on is... The more artsy term called black on black crime as some concept that is very unique and specific to black people and separates black people has possessing a type of violence that no other group has ever or currently is plagued by.

When you hear "crime" we don't associate any particular group.

It's just crime. But, think, what is the only other type of domestic crime that has its own infamous and dark history?

Black on black. Our society has purposefully separated it in order to justify institutionally racist policy in black communities.

That's what the issue at hand is.

Crime, in affluent neighborhoods, are approached with a very intellectual and logical strategy to avoid further communal damage.

Black on black crime? It is approached with harsh sentences, counter productive bail amounts, ea conditions and the iron hammer of the law.

Drug crime in affluent neighborhoods are approached with compassionate drug treatment to avoid further destroying the life of the drug user.

Black drug crime? Prison where abuse and addiction get worse and prison terms disrupt families.

I hope I'm articulating my point to show that we aren't saying black communities are all peaches and sunshine.

No, we are saying, the labeling of black on black crime crates a stigma that colors the negative approach of the dysfunctional criminal justice system.

 

[mag357]

@mag357 respect.

We know, literally, that crime amongst black people on victims of their same demograohic is a real thing like it is with every demo.

What we are touching on is... The more artsy term called black on black crime as some concept that is very unique and specific to black people and separates black people has possessing a type of violence that no other group has ever or currently is plagued by.

When you hear "crime" we don't associate any particular group.

It's just crime. But, think, what is the o ly other type of domestic crime that has its own infamous and dark history?

Black on black. Our society has purposefully separated it in order to justify institutionally racist policy in black communities.

That's what the issue at hand is.

Crime, in affluent neighborhoods, are approached with a very intellectual and logical strategy to avoid further communal damage.

Black on black crime? It is approached with harsh sentences, counter productive bail amounts, ea conditions and the iron hammer of the law.

Drug crime in affluent neighborhoods are approached with compassionate drug treatment to avoid further destroying the life of the drug user.

Black drug crime? Prison where abuse and addiction get worse and prison terms disrupt families.

I hope I'm articulating my point to show that we aren't saying black communities are all peaches and sunshine.

No, we are saying, the labeling of black on black crime crates a stigma that colors the negative approach of the dysfunctional criminal justice system.

No no..
I totally understood what u meant the 1st time about the term....much respect to u on that...
I'm saying it to you like this....
This shyt is a plague... it is unique... it is a special type of crime, considering the extent, persistence, and volume of it....
I'm sure if all of a sudden all the light skinned, hazeled eyed muthafukaz started murking each other in historic numbers...
I'm sure that specific group would be talked about in terms of a specific group.
How about this... let's me and you take out the term "black on black" crime...
Can we both acknowledge that we have a great problem in the urban communities that African Americans live in... problems regarding violence and killings?

 

[Ineedmoney504]

@mag357 respect.

We know, literally, that crime amongst black people on victims of their same demograohic is a real thing like it is with every demo.

What we are touching on is... The more artsy term called black on black crime as some concept that is very unique and specific to black people and separates black people has possessing a type of violence that no other group has ever or currently is plagued by.

When you hear "crime" we don't associate any particular group.

It's just crime. But, think, what is the o ly other type of domestic crime that has its own infamous and dark history?

Black on black. Our society has purposefully separated it in order to justify institutionally racist policy in black communities.

That's what the issue at hand is.

Crime, in affluent neighborhoods, are approached with a very intellectual and logical strategy to avoid further communal damage.

Black on black crime? It is approached with harsh sentences, counter productive bail amounts, ea conditions and the iron hammer of the law.

Drug crime in affluent neighborhoods are approached with compassionate drug treatment to avoid further destroying the life of the drug user.

Black drug crime? Prison where abuse and addiction get worse and prison terms disrupt families.

I hope I'm articulating my point to show that we aren't saying black communities are all peaches and sunshine.

No, we are saying, the labeling of black on black crime crates a stigma that colors the negative approach of the dysfunctional criminal justice system.

I respect your opinion all the time and you one of the people gonna bring good discussion everytime but at what point can we discuss the violence in our community and the way we prey on each other knowingly without the term “black on black” distorting the message fam

I don’t agree with AI on the “this is why they scared of us” shyt, but everything else I do. Until we place the blame on our laps as parents and community leaders we gonna continue raising generations of black killers who only prey on they own kind. Cause at the end of the day we can’t continue to know the white supremacy Tactics and keep allowing our kids to fall victim to them.

 

[Rell84shots]

The problem with the AI post is that he gave others a pass for how they treat us. The reality is that if we all wore dress clothes and greeted each other with handshakes they'd still view us the same. I hate when an innocent black person is killed no matter what the race of the killer is, but all this "black on black crime" talk needs to stop. It's just another myth to help demonize the black community.

 

[god shamgod]

Y'all deflect too much on here.It's always blame white supremacy.

I was on hamlin & monroe(Chicago westside) years ago and this nikka upped a uzi or mac(Idk wtf gun it was) it looked just like this

Spoiler

cuz he thought I was some rival gang member about to run up on him, he saw I wasn't and kept it movin . Y'all buggin with the anti black on black violence narrative like it doesnt happen idk where the fukk y'all grew up.

 

[Bone$]

I agree with AI. I know was born in the hood in new Orleans and we was taught to celebrate the killer, he was the man we wanted to be,

“They say you nobody til you kill somebody” is a real life thought process, I can think of countless times dudes in the hood would prey on others for no reason

And we can say “well we are in close proximity of each other” but that’s bullshyt cause our hoods having been getting gentrified at a rapid rate in some of the most notorious hoods and white bodies are nothing getting dropped, robberings of white people or other races aren’t rising

A random white person can walk thru more hoods than a random black persons.


It’s sad and this shyt sucks

And we can say the fbi/government is killing our leaders which is true, but at a certain point we have to hold that black person accountable for his action, no fukking way a black should have ever signed up to kill Malcolm

We are intending to have a more layered conversation, as that is the greater issue we are taking note of his post and posts like it. Let's get to the roots, describe the conditions that exist that push an idea that ur no one until you have killed someone. Are you pointing to an inherent or conditioned mindset?

 

[Jekyll]

The problem with the AI post is that he gave others a pass for how they treat us. The reality is that if we all wore dress clothes and greeted each other with handshakes they'd still view us the same. I hate when an innocent black person is killed no matter what the race of the killer is, but all this "black on black crime" talk needs to stop. It's just another myth to help demonize the black community.

This goofy ass shyt yall house nikkas be postin.

 

[DPresidential]

No no..
I totally understood what u meant the 1st time about the term....much respect to u on that...
I'm saying it to you like this....
This shyt is a plague... it is unique... it is a special type of crime, considering the extent, persistence, and volume of it....
I'm sure if all of a sudden all the light skinned, hazeled eyed muthafukaz started murking each other in historic numbers...
I'm sure that specific group would be talked about in terms of a specific group.
How about this... let's me and you take out the term "black on black" crime...
Can we both acknowledge that we have a great problem in the urban communities that African Americans live in... problems regarding violence and killings?

Okay, I understand you!

So, this might interest you.

One of my favorite books is The Condemnation Of Blackness by Khalil Gibran Muhammad, former director of the Schomburg Center in Harlem New York and current professor at Harvard University.

This book is what I consider my trifecta of modern black literature; which color the foundation on my philosophy on race and society.

I definitely see how you can see that crime in the urban community which has been infamously referred to as Black on Black crime is unique.

It isn't!

Let's introduce ourselves to late 19th and early 20th century Irish and Italian immigrants in New York City.

Before they were given the opportunity to assimilate into what is called whiteness, they were marginalized, discriminated against and forced, because of redlining to live in poverty and in ghettos. They were not hired by businesses and they were constantly policed harshly.

Their crime rates? High and similar to what we see in modern dysfunctional black communities.

Their education rates? Low and similar to the low educational achievement in modern dysfunctional black communities.

Within a few decades, after the U.S census took away "immigrant" as a category and realized that Irish and Italians would significantly lower the "sage narrative" of whites because of their crime rates... There was a push to eliminate the dysfunctional institutions - from prohibitive loan opportunities, improper education opportunities and improper and harsh policing - and they were afforded an opportunity to receive the sufficient services of what was considered white society.
Within Decades their crime rates dropped and normed out to the rest of the country and their class level moved from poverty into middle class!

The same people, the same genes, the same names... The difference? The removal of the dysfunctional gov't and societal support!

Have black communities ever really been afforded those same reform of services? No!

No group that has been plagued by dysfunction has ever rose out of it on their own without the promised and proper support of the society they lived in.

I implore yall to pick up this book. Matter fact, and I said this on prior occasions, I care so much that the first few brehs who pm me, I'll pay for the book myself and send it to whatever delivery location they want.

REAL shyt.

This book is an objective and sourced literary and historic work that every black person should read.

Matter fact, I might start a book club thread if at least 5 or 10 brehs want to read it together and discuss.

I care about every black nikka in the hood. And I care about every coli breh that is going to respond to this post with a "fukk you nikka! I ain't reading that." Why?

"I don't know man, it's just the type a nikka I am" - Cam'Ron voice


The fact that some of y'all are even spending some time politicking this thread makes me hype, even when we disagree.

Atleast, outside of the trolls, I know yall nikkas care about the same people I do.

 

[DPresidential]

I respect your opinion all the time and you one of the people gonna bring good discussion everytime but at what point can we discuss the violence in our community and the way we prey on each other knowingly without the term “black on black” distorting the message fam

I don’t agree with AI on the “this is why they scared of us” shyt, but everything else I do. Until we place the blame on our laps as parents and community leaders we gonna continue raising generations of black killers who only prey on they own kind. Cause at the end of the day we can’t continue to know the white supremacy Tactics and keep allowing our kids to fall victim to them.

My brother,

Understand, my point is we should be talking about the violence and predatory tension right now!

The same way, two parents need to talk about their child's dangerous and risky promiscuous sexual behavior.

But, we aren't going to get to the bottom of the issue and get to logical steps by starting with "these evil nikkas are the scourge of the earth! fukk yall, y'all a disgrace!" Why+
? The same reason why the parents can't sit the child down and start with, "you know you're a fukking slut? You don't have any fukking respect for yourself, you whore! Now... How can we help reform your behavior."

In both of the two above situations, the one you are trying to make see that they are being destructive will become ultra defensive offended and entrench themselves deeper into dysfunction.


We need to discuss whether the child was sexually abused, whether the child ever felt he or she never had a supportive person to talk to about issues, whether the child ever received the proper education on then behavior that they can't truly see is self destructive.

Once we figure out Exactly what creates the monster, then we can break that nexus.

All I'm saying is when you spit on the ground in front of the Malcolm Littles who perm their hair, commit burglary and list after white women... They will never listen to you enough to become the Malcolm X that they have the potential to butterfly into.

Compassion is an important part of reform... That's what Malcolm little received by the black. Muslim who saw something in him even when he was way more lost than the average nikka in the hood.

 

[GoldCoastSaint]

I did your exercise and felt empathy at each stage. I disagree with the notion that Black people are abused because of our abuse towards each other.

However. I lived in the hood long enough to recognize the pattern of self destruction even in my own family. Our community has a problem and we have to be honest about it.

We need to be able to address this very real and ugly truth about ourselves while still holding cacs accountable for their evil.

Other groups surely have their pathologies too but we glorify the wrong shyt. An overhaul is needed to reset standards for the most naturally gifted, blessed group of people in the history of humankind. There is no reason we should be killing each other lime we do and glorifying it.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

Gun death rates elevate based on race and gender.

The gun death rate of black women is at the same low level as it is for white women.

These numbers include both homicides and suicides.

 

[DPresidential]

OP you are a great writer btw,my only problem is that you do realize you are a lawyer right. At this time you are a big cog in the white supremacy system. On one hand one may say "We need more black lawyers and cops". But lets face it,to believe that means you believe in the system and that a few small cogs in those systems can change it. Personally I don't believe there exist a change in a dominant white supremacy system that is already in cruise control and works like clock work. Seperation and independence is really the only answer. Stay healthy mentally brother,because if these are your thoughts while working as a lawyer,I think that job is going to mentally destroy you as a person as you are forced to put on a fake persona and pretend to believe in it,and play the game.


edit-disregard if your just a divorce lawyer.

Much respect.

It's funny, I was just speaking in a black brotherhood fireside discussion at an event for the NYC Department of Education and this same concern came up.

I have been an attorney for 8 years.

I practiced criminal law, exclusively, for 5 years and transitioned into employment and education law currently, however, I still do criminal work on the side.

I am proud of the fact that I have had intimate insight on the system that doesnt include me being in cuffs myself. I can speak from a perspective of being the kid who saw the damage in my hood and being the attorney who saw the dysfunction from inside the courtroom and policy meetings.

I know you are very concrete in your belief about the system not being able to be reformed. I definitely understand that and I'm not going to insult you by trying to convince you.

I'll just say that I do see reform... At a snail's pace, but I do see it.

I don't see it enough but I personally know people who are actively moving into position to have greater leverage to fight the dysfunction.

Understand... Most black attorneys in the criminal law field DO NOT cosign the miscarriage of justice.

Most of them, most of us, care about justice and want it.

 

[DPresidential]

I did your exercise and felt empathy at each stage. I disagree with the notion that Black people are abused because of our abuse towards each other.

However. I lived in the hood long enough to recognize the pattern of self destruction even in my own family. Our community has a problem and we have to be honest about it.

We need to be able to address this very real and ugly truth about ourselves while still holding cacs accountable for their evil.

Other groups surely have their pathologies too but we glorify the wrong shyt. An overhaul is needed to reset standards for the most naturally gifted, blessed group of people in the history of humankind. There is no reason we should be killing each other lime we do and glorifying it.

I agree with everything you said.

Especially regarding the glorification of it.

We need to definitely encourage better principles and better perspectives.

However, people don't dress like the nikkas that tease and disrespect them.

People don't feel inspired to think like those they feel are trivializing their integrity.

People, whether black or not black, will be way more willing to consider taking on the perspectives of those who articulate their pitch in a way that doesn't trigger a serious defensive response.

No matter who you are, Nipsey Hussle or Malcolm X... You can't go through the hood on a loud speaker and talk like, "Yall nikkas should be ashamed of your fukking selves!!! NIPSEY'S Blood is on your hands you fukk nikkas! Get your shyt together, realize yall are killing your brothers!!!"

We need to be honest about the APPROACH is all. I'm saying.

Kind of like how you just now respectfully approached my position and disagreed with me. You actually even respectfully let me know that in your opinion, you feel like, as an attorney, I am perpetuating white supremacy.

Because of the way you actually approached that sensitive topic... I reflected instead of get defensive and be like, "nikka, you don't know me, I'm not what you're saying you dumb nikka!"

What I did was I respectfully responded.

No one wants to feel like shyt, especially when they are being told their way of living is fukked up and shameful.

If you had the brehs in gangs and in violent criminal activity in front of you... How would you articulate they are living wrong? Probably the way you navigated expressing your issue with my profession.


Respect.