Allen Iverson type opinions on 'Black on Black' Crime - A Dialogue

[Creflo ½ Dollar]

I came from that environment too. The PROBLEM is making it about us being black and simply saying black people just have to do better. It’s bigger than us.

It’s the simple truth. We have to do better.


We expect the white man to do better

 

[DPresidential]

Breh 1: I think black people in the hood need to learn how to communicate with each other and learn to handle issues maturely

Breh 2: I feel you but I disagree about -

Breh 1: nikka shut the fukk up with your long winded attempt at mature discussion because I disagree with it! bytch! Now as I was saying, Black people in the hood to learn to Communicate.

Brehs seem to just want to be in echo chambers.

 

[Po pimp]

It’s the simple truth. We have to do better.


We expect the white man to do better

That’s a generic response. Do better how? Being a better parent? The people who need to do better aren’t being reached, and those who actually have these conversations already know better. So what’s the solution?

 

[get these nets]

Breh, you're on some disrespectful shyt and you don't realize it.

Today, though, I'm not on some troll shyt. I'm mature.

Iverson posted something, right?

And what did you think the goal was? To get civil rights leaders dikk hard?

No, it was to stir conversation and create the momentum for intellectual discussion on black issues; even if we disagree.

We are all going to disagree and while so many holier than thou people can somehow look at this thread like it was a waste... nikkas are hypocrites trying to derail discussion but somehow expect brehs who are in much more stressful circumstance to talk it out and rise above violence.

There is a bigger problem related to the black community than violence. It's a disrespect of the next breh's opinion.

I definitely don't agree with him or your opinion. However, I respected Iverson's opinion enough for me not to just create a thread and say, "fukk that nikka."

The audacity of brehs to shame the street nikka for not being able to talk out their issues and communicate with the nikka in the next hood... Yet on a black site, the same brehs are disregarding the next breh's opinion just because it differs. Ironic.

That being said, I appreciate your reading my post, if you did.

ok. I read the title and thought this thread was a rehash of the other thread about his comments. So I was guilty of not reading the OP before I posted.

I will read the first post before I comment further.

 

[tuckgod]

Maybe I see shyt different because I rose above and made it out the hood.

Exactly.

I grew up with Bubba.

He’s actually one of the very 1st people I met outside of family in my life.

Known him since I was 3 and he was 5.

nikkas have NO IDEA how many of our friends, that we grew up with, ate free lunch, played hide and go seek, played basketball at Anderson Park, baseball with aluminum bats, tennis balls, nikkas porches as the bases/the green tank as home base, crabbed with, etc. are no longer here due to being murdered by another black man.

I had 6 close homeboys growing up and out of us 7 it’s 2 of us left and I’m only 40, and that’s not counting the at least 20-25 others cats I associated with from our apartments that are no longer here.

Bubba went to prison at 16 after being accused of starting a brawl with some racist cacs (that called him a n*gger) that turned our whole area upside down.

Them crackas made an example out of him so he is well aware of how fukked up we’re treated in this country, but he also knows the real affects black people killing black people have on our community.

 

[Lannister]

Cringe at the "Why other people are afraid of us".

Other people have been afraid of us for centuries breh. Birth of a Nation, and the fall of Black Wall Street was long before Crips and Bloods were ever a thing. I don't mind people speaking up on gang violence/crime within the Black community, but leave out the damn respectability politics.The long, bloodied history of America disproves that notion.

 

[DPresidential]

I’m not even bout to read all that bullshyt.

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Now, you really care about your black people right?

And, to a nikka willing to dialogue, you led off with that.

Yet, somehow, you have a message to people who will be way more stuck in their ways than I was.

Let me get this straight... I WOULD Never suggest that my people living in unfortunate poverty are STUCK IN THEIR WAYS and will be savages.

MOST nikkas who come out of the hood don't end up as killers, criminals, etc.

However, when it DOES happen, we have to peel back the layers that perpetuate a young boy's transition into a life of violence.

My point is to say, yes, we need to work together to create compassionate discussion amongst our brothers and sisters and learn to help each other step away from violence and hostility towards unity.


But, if you think that is the main ingredient to ending hostile interactions and glorification of gang life, you're absolutely MISTAKEN.

LET ME EXPLAIN...


Black people in the hood live in an apartment the America building.

From the beginning, the landlord was a racist piece of shyt. If he needed building material for a hot tub or new furniture for other apartments, he'd strip material from apartment labeled black community.

So much material has been stripped, that the apartment has holes in the floor board and walls. Vermin and pests, let's call them roaches of violence, dysfunction and poor education crawl into the cereal boxes, under the bedding.

It gets so bad, the black residents themselves forget what it's like to have a humane living space. One piece of litter becomes various and no one picks it up because even if they lived clean... Pests and vermin will come through the cracks in the institution.

Now, the holier than thou brehs of the coli, who live across the hall, look down anytime they hear about a pest of violence, Iike the one that bit Nipsey, is creating havoc. The brehs of the coli say, "aye, y'all need to stop living so filthy."

All in saying is, it'll be extremely challenging to expect that apartment's residents to stay motivated to see the light at the end of the tunnel and change their way of life IF THE LANDLORD DOESN'T DO HIS fukkING JOB.

The landlord fixing the holes that plague the community needs to happen first or at the least simultaneously

 

[Ski Mask]

Im all for introspection, but when that enters the "this is why they" territory that shyt turns into some battered wife bullshyt.

And the whole trying to compare the outrage between cops/vigilantes and violence in the community, is B.S. considering the outrage isn't the non black killed one of our own, its the fact they're legally allowed to do so. The fact that this shyt has to be repeated, is sad.

we are the only ones who throw ourselves under the bus when we're done wrong by outsiders

 

[tuckgod]

Now, you really care about your black people right?

And, to a nikka willing to dialogue, you led off with that.

Yet, somehow, you have a message to people who will be way more stuck in their ways than I was.

Let me get this straight... I WOULD Never suggest that my people living in unfortunate poverty are STUCK IN THEIR WAYS and will be savages.

MOST nikkas who come out of the hood don't end up as killers, criminals, etc.

However, when it DOES happen, we have to peel back the layers that perpetuate a young boy's transition into a life of violence.

My point is to say, yes, we need to work together to Crete compassionate discussion amongst our brothers and sisters and learn to help each other step away from violence and hostility towards unity.


But, if you think that is the main ingredient to ending hostile interactions and glorification of gang life, you're absolutely MISTAKEN.

LET ME EXPLAIN...


Black people in the hood live in an apartment the America building.

From the beginning, the landlord was a racist piece of shyt. If he needed building material for a hot tub or new furniture for other apartments, he'd strip material from apartment labeled black community.

So much material has been stripped, that the apartment has holes in the floor board and walls. Vermin and pests, let's call them roaches of violence, dysfunction and poor education crawl into the cereal boxes, under the bedding.

It gets so bad, the black residents themselves forget what it's like to have a humane logo g space. One piece of litter becomes various and no one picks it up because even if they lived clean... Pests and vermin will come through the cracks in the institution.

Now, the holier than thou brehs of the coli, who live across the hall, look down anytime they hear about a pest of violence, Iike the one that bit Nipsey, is creating havoc. The brehs of the coli say, "aye, y'all need to stop living so filthy."

All in saying is, it'll be extremely challenging to expect that apartment's residents to stay motivated to see the light at the end of the tunnel and change their way of life IF THE LANDLORD DOESN'T DO HIS fukkING JOB.

The landlord fixing the holes that plague the community needs to happen first or at the least simultaneously

I led with that because I’m not up for a debate.

This isn’t school or some think tank where we’re dissecting the problems of the black community from the outside looking in.

I’m talking real life as someone who’s lived it and suffered real pain from it.

Have your intellectual jackoff session with someone else.

 

[DPresidential]

They're are posters - who's contribution I appreciate - using the anecdotal "well I rose above it so..."

Not realizing that Frederick Douglass rose above slavery.

Booker T Washington rose above post slavery discrimination.

Martin Luther King rose above Jim Crow.

Malcolm rose above the dysfunctional envi we are discussing.

I rose above too. Okay, that's what's up, so if many can rise above it we somehow disregard how fukked up and inhumane it if for the most prosperous country in the world is abandoning communities and not providing quality for more to have a chance to develop?

Cool, y'all nikkas and me rose above against all odds... But many are getting grinded out and have to survive against terrible odds... We are talking about how to stop that cycle.

And it'll take more than kumbaya songs and try to trivialize the brehs who believe we need to pressure the country to do right by those neighborhoods while we also create positive energy amongst our people.

 

[tuckgod]

While nikkas tryin to have intellectual debates, this is going on in real life...

Atlanta gang members rape and kill informant

 

[DPresidential]

I led with that because I’m not up for a debate.

This isn’t school or some think tank where we’re dissecting the problems of the black community from the outside looking in.

I’m talking real life as someone who’s lived it and suffered real pain from it.

Have your intellectual jackoff session with someone else.

nikka, me too. The fukk?

Imagine a "nikka who made it" wake up and about to leave out for work and get a letter from his God brother in prison for killing an innocent man during a drug territory dispute sending stray bullets in the air and wanting to just let me know the time he came to chill at my house while we were kids were the best times of his life and he always wanted jy life because of havi g my parents meanwhile his mother died at 13 and he was raised in the projects by his sister and the streets. And feeling survivors guilt so bad that I had to call out of work.

That's me.


Imagine a nikka reflecting on his childhood and remembering being in a corner store with his big brother's girlfriend who was babysitting him and shots rang out coming through the front of the corner store and we ducking and after the fact her telling me not to tell my mommy because she'll be mad she had me in that situation.

nikka, that was me.

Imagine reflecting on the friends he had and the cousins he loved and grew up with and he is probably only 1 of a handful that aren't dead, I Jail or stuck in a life going no where.

nikka, that's me.

Imagine a nikka. Getting out of law school and having to check colleagues who say shyt like, "these defendants are the cancer of the community. Nothing but thugs" because on numerous occasions I've had to recluse myself from cases because I knew the defendant.

That's me.

I can go on and I'm sure you have even more anecdotal stories than me. Cool, you win the dikk measuring contest, nikka.

But, fukk out of here telling me that on a predominantly black site a nikka can't expect some progressive dialogue on our communities. You go on and use the coli for memes and just bugging out, I'll stay in my lane and fukk with nikkas who, at the very least, are willing to discuss shyt about black issues because they are black people who find a sense of unity in it.

Goofy shyt.

Again, every post you make bumps this thread so, thank you on some real shyt.

 

[DPresidential]

While nikkas tryin to have intellectual debates, this is going on in real life...

Atlanta gang members rape and kill informant

And I can promise you for every one of those articles I could pull up many of positive stories in the hood.

By the way, that crime you posted... How about you research what the victim looked like.

Terrible and vile decisions by those brehs who deserve to face justice but it's not really the right counter point consider the innocent victim was white.

 

[Will Ross]

No. 1, I've been one of the biggest critics of that breh.

No. 2, My whole post was an attempt to dissect his opinion, respectfully disagree and then state my reasons why I disagree.

That's literally the anti-thesis of just labeling the next nikka's dissenting opinion as c00n talk.

My point is when did calling out an issue in our communities even become c00n talk?

 

[DPresidential]

My point is when did calling out an issue in our communities even become c00n talk?

Way before either one of us were born, people were ignorant enough to label another black man a c00n because they didn't agree.

Here, no one is calling another person a c00n for calling out an issue in our community.

Everyone agrees that violence in various poverty stricken urban communities are an issue. The problem is, when a black man explains his theory and/or solution for that problem; the immature people that disagree about the reason call others c00ns.

I'm proud that I'm not the type of person to do that. Can I ask you... Is there a reason you felt that question was relevant in this thread?