All Jokes Aside: LeBron Ruined the NBA: Update Stephen A Agrees

[KidJSoul]

Nah it was always going to happen.

Rings culture - A.K.A "you ain't shyt if you don't have a ring" was always going to increase the incentive for these players to team up.

Also; expansion of teams, and draft lottery. We forget that the 60s and 80s dynasties all had multiple all-stars, but they were easier to assemble homegrown because there were less teams and the draft lottery only started in 1985. (hence why teams started becoming watered down in the 90s).

And even then, players like Kareem and Shaq signed with LA. the only difference is that players don't care to only sign with LA anymore.

And also, players chose shorter term contracts now since the money has gone up, so they leave early. Back in the day, players like Charles Barkeley and Clyde Drexler would ring chase late in their career instead of in their prime.

 

[ISO]

Why is that a fault for KD? Dude sacrifices his entire existence to be great at basketball and can’t play where he feels like because he’s too good?

It’s an unwritten rule that if you can’t beat em you don’t join em

Especially in the fashion he lost blowing a 3-1 lead

 

[Pimp]

Nah it was always going to happen.

Rings culture - A.K.A "you ain't shyt if you don't have a ring" was always going to increase the incentive for these players to team up.

Also; expansion of teams, and draft lottery. We forget that the 60s and 80s dynasties all had multiple all-stars, but they were easier to assemble homegrown because there were less teams and the draft lottery only started in 1985. (hence why teams started becoming watered down in the 90s).

And even then, players like Kareem and Shaq signed with LA. the only difference is that players don't care to only sign with LA anymore.

And also, players chose shorter term contracts now since the money has gone up, so they leave early. Back in the day, players like Charles Barkeley and Clyde Drexler would ring chase late in their career instead of in their prime.

There's no ring culture. Lebron created it. If you don't win a ring who cares. More people know Charles Barkley than David Robinson.

 

[ISO]

There's no ring culture. Lebron created it. If you don't win a ring who cares. More people know Charles Barkley than David Robinson.

David Robinson’s rings are considered “gravy train” rings by dumb ass NBA fans because he was “past his prime”. Those rings are solely attributed to Duncan he might as well be ringless

David Robinson is generally thought of as a guy you couldn’t win a championship with as the best player when really you could point to his roster construction that didn’t maximize him or minimize his weaknesses

LeBron didn’t create ring culture

All the ringless players are disrespected

 

[Big Boss]

Nah it was always going to happen.

Rings culture - A.K.A "you ain't shyt if you don't have a ring" was always going to increase the incentive for these players to team up.

Also; expansion of teams, and draft lottery. We forget that the 60s and 80s dynasties all had multiple all-stars, but they were easier to assemble homegrown because there were less teams and the draft lottery only started in 1985. (hence why teams started becoming watered down in the 90s).

And even then, players like Kareem and Shaq signed with LA. the only difference is that players don't care to only sign with LA anymore.

And also, players chose shorter term contracts now since the money has gone up, so they leave early. Back in the day, players like Charles Barkeley and Clyde Drexler would ring chase late in their career instead of in their prime.

Facts

 

[Remote]

David Robinson’s rings are considered “gravy train” rings by dumb ass NBA fans because he was “past his prime”. Those rings are solely attributed to Duncan he might as well be ringless

LeBron didn’t create ring culture

All the ringless players are disrespected

Jordan stans created modern ring culture. Inevitably, every comparison between MJ and another player will find its way to "Jordan was 6-0 in the Finals".
It never fails. Ever.

If you compare two players and look at their offensive and defensive impacts, their regular season awards, their all star appearances, their cumulative statistics....and supposing all of that is comparable, the debate then turns to championships -- which, candidly is not totally unfair -- so long as the proper weight is given to the context of the situations and teams each player was on.

Jordan stans love the rings argument until Russell is mentioned. Then all of the sudden, other factors come into play (and rightfully so). But those stans should keep that same energy when comparing others.

 

[Big Boss]

David Robinson’s rings are considered “gravy train” rings by dumb ass NBA fans because he was “past his prime”. Those rings are solely attributed to Duncan he might as well be ringless

LeBron didn’t create ring culture

All the ringless players are disrespected

Facts

Karl Malone a 2 time MVP and 2nd in career points scored in NBA history but nobody has him in the GOAT conversation or top 10

 

[Stick Up Kid]

Lebron has played with most all stars in history

 

[KidJSoul]

There's no ring culture. Lebron created it. If you don't win a ring who cares. More people know Charles Barkley than David Robinson.

Nope not true. How did LeBron create when people were shytting on him for not winning ring

Not to mention people use to criticize and even remember guys like Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, and most famously, Karl Malone and John Stockton for being great players that never won a ring.

 

[Ozymandeas]

No the fukk he isn’t better now

Boston would fukking stop him because of walling, zone defenses and lack of reliable secondary options. Boston from 2008-2012 had one of the greatest defensive runs in NBA history one man would never beat them in a 7 game series

They beat fukking Kobe in ‘08 and took ‘em to the wire in ‘10 and the Lakers actually had a big frontline and a strong second option

They sent Wade home in 5 games in ‘10

They were extremely hard to beat in the playoffs

2009 Bron shyts on old man Bron

And no Cleveland’s FO wasn’t gonna do shyt it’s been sad in their non-Bron years

Bron Stans can’t even take a compliment. Good God. It’s always tiring talking to yall. Bron himself will tell you he’s better now than he was back then, what are you talking about? Nobody was afraid of Bron in 2008 or 2009. He was a choker back then. He’s clearly stepped it up. Younger Bron could’ve never led the 3-1 come back he did against Golden State.

Boston would’ve not stopped Bron every year (key word: every year) from 2010 to 2015, and no other Eastern team would’ve stopped him from 2015 to 2020. If you believe that why are you even a fan of him? Eventually as Bron matured in his game he would’ve figured out how to beat them.

Cleveland FO is subpar but it’s not rocket science to sign free agents, find good players deep in the draft and trade future picks to get a high first round pick and get a bonafide guy.

 

[KidJSoul]

Lebron has played with most all stars in history

Kind of misleading, because others would merely have same all-stars throughout their careers (e.g. Bird and Magic played with their same all-star supporting cast like Kevin McHale, Kareem Abdul Jabaar, James Worthy, etc. for nearly a decade each). Same with Jordan having Pippen for a while. They all stayed on the same team.

If LeBron was drafted by an organization like Miami (that was well-run), he probably wouldn't have left, and he probably would have been supported by a better supporting cast that would have stayed with him longer.

 

[THE MACHINE]

They’re clowns. We also forget about Rondo becoming an All-Star himself and their fukking monstrous team defense.

They turned series into a crawl. It was extremely hard to beat them in a 7 game series.

These dudes came back on Kobe and Gasol from a 24 point 2nd quarter deficit in the 08 Finals game 4. These are the washed guys???

 

[ISO]

Bron Stans can’t even take a compliment. Good God. It’s always tiring talking to yall. Bron himself will tell you he’s better now than he was back then, what are you talking about? Nobody was afraid of Bron in 2008 or 2009. He was a choker back then. He’s clearly stepped it up. Younger Bron could’ve never led the 3-1 come back he did against Golden State.

Boston would’ve not stopped Bron every year (key word: every year) from 2010 to 2015, and no other Eastern team would’ve stopped him from 2015 to 2020. If you believe that why are you even a fan of him? Eventually as Bron matured in his game he would’ve figured out how to beat them.

Cleveland FO is subpar but it’s not rocket science to sign free agents, find good players deep in the draft and trade future picks to get a high first round pick and get a bonafide guy.

Ur an idiot

Nobody was afraid of Bron in 2008 or 2009 are you fukking dumb? The Celtics threw the kitchen sink at Bron in ‘08 and he took them 7 despite a huge talent deficit (45 to 66 win team). Him and Pierce dropped 40+ on each other in the finale. Boston heavily gsmeplanned for him in a slow crawling defensive series.

‘09 Bron shyts on this current version of himself he was in his athletic prime he isn’t even capable of doing the shyt he did in the ‘09 playoff run anymore go cue the tape nikka

U give 2009 Bron a player like AD and that’s multiple championships

The reason he led the ‘16 comeback was because he had Kyrie Irving a strong secondary scorer next to him getting fukking buckets too

He didn’t have that in ‘09 which is why he averaged 40/9/9 in a series and lost

Dumb ass nikka this is WHY he left Cleveland and WHY he teams up with capable players because when he was DOLO and lost you nikkas called him a choker and claim no one was afraid of him because he couldn’t pull against all odds series out of his ass

 

[Pimp]

David Robinson’s rings are considered “gravy train” rings by dumb ass NBA fans because he was “past his prime”. Those rings are solely attributed to Duncan he might as well be ringless

David Robinson is generally thought of as a guy you couldn’t win a championship with as the best player when really you could point to his roster construction that didn’t maximize him or minimize his weaknesses

LeBron didn’t create ring culture

All the ringless players are disrespected

You missed my point completely. Charles Barkley will be remembered more than Ben Wallace, Rip Hamilton, and Chauncey Billups combined. Ok Eli Manning won 2 rings but does that make him better than Dan Marino?

I actually applaud what Lebron started. Just imagine playing somewhere where the team is so cheap that you end up helpless for years playing with bums like Iverson. I rather make a move myself than let some white man make all the decisions and trade me like I'm a stock or some shyt.. My only thing is don't cry now.. This is the new normal. The Lakers are stacked, Clippers are up there, Brooklyn is full loaded.. Denver is stacked.. This is gonna be one of the best postseasons ever..

 

[Pimp]

Facts

Karl Malone a 2 time MVP and 2nd in career points scored in NBA history but nobody has him in the GOAT conversation or top 10

The championships have nothing to do with it. If you asked people who the top PF are of all time he's probably #2 on every list.