African/West Indian biases against AAs = sad

[Poitier]

Who said you shouldn't be? lol, embracing other blacks doesn't put down your own culture. It might be different for me cuz I grew up in a place where all black people were united by skin color and the societal stigma it comes with. But Nationalism has nothing to do with some sort of superiority complex, or needless isolationism just because of a few bad apples, your culture isn't the beneficiary of America but rather the byproduct of her villainy. I remember black people telling me I'm not black cuz I'm Ethiopian, despite Ethiopia being the starting point of humanity and civilization, therefore being the start point of all Black people. You don't see me on here puttin my culture over others, all of us are black and under attack by the same global system.

lol, proud of america. Biggest prison population in the world and most of it is black men, how you gon be a proud of a country that's done all it can to stomp you out? Common policemen, FBI agents, all types bust into Fred Hampton house and spray him cuz he and people within the Panthers dare to tell black people to stand up. You proud of that country breh? lol, if Malcolm had your mentality he would of been nothing like the person he was. Embracing Africa and your fellow Diasporans from the Caribbean, Central, and South America doesn't ditract from who you are it bolsters it.

Wait, I never put Black American culture above any other Africans. I stated clearly, if you have love for us then I got love for you. If not, there is no love lost. I got mad love for East Africans. Shyt, I have no idea what part of Africa my ancestors came from at this point, being a mutt and all.

And yes, I am proud of America. All of that bad stuff you wrote about can be said about ANY country. Blacks are at the bottom of the totem pole everywhere. In fact, that makes me even more proud that we still persevere in a world that has it against us. Makes me even more proud of what Blacks have been able to do in the 150 years we have been free. In 150 years, we have created our own little culture that would rival most. Why can't I be proud? Because there is evil in the world? That sounds dumb.

You missed the part where I said bluntly that I am all for supporting all people of the African diaspora but I have pride in my own. That sounds like embracing too me, but no I won't feign like I don't have my own culture: leaders, entertainers, foods, clothing, history, music, etc to be proud of.

 

[Mike Ock]

Are you referring to Africans/ West Indians looking down on other Blacks?

Or Are you referring to Blacks viewing their culture as something separate and to be proud of?

If it's the latter, I'll need you to explain. You can have pride in your heritage and still show love.

To what extent are we talking?...because I know for sure behind closed doors everyone makes some slick remarks about people from other countries, races and ethnicity. All immigrants try and promote their culture into their 1st generation kids born here. So they inside the home speak of their culture having an advantage over another.

 

[Raava]

its not sad,, u have these ppl from poorer countries that do all they can do move here just to have a better life while starting from the bottom, focusing on education and hopefully going to school or their kids through college while going against the grains

and then you have the blacks in america that shyt on every opportunity they have in america while bytching about racism and oppression when despite it all the opportunities are there to excel in life but is squandered away living the black mans dream of a nice car with rims while living in an apt....

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Being a black man born and raised in the states, I feel blacks in america are more biased towards africans, west indians than the opposite..

U have alot of africans ( FROM MY EXPERIENCE SO SHUT THE fukk UP ) that came to the states for a better life than they had in mogadishu and they just shake there head on why blacks here don't take advantage of a free education, pell grants and other resources that they don't have back in africa just to live a normal life even if u not making 6 figures and living in the burbs..

african girl and dude told me the shyt they went through in mogadishu and i was like damn.. really... there family getting killed, brothers force to join the pirate trade and seeing kids murder just walking to school and the cops wouldn't do shyt but get paid off and walk away.. so they come here with the urge of a better quiet life while i see majority of my folks here in the states continue to blame the system day in and day out

Yes the system is fukked up, but that shouldn't stop u from get where u going... it's like u driving home and u see the road close. what are u going to do give up and hope the road open up someday or take a detour even tho it might take longer and u have to go through some shyt, but your main objective is to get home..

ALL IN ALL WE AS BLACKS PERIOD NEED TO SHUT THE fukk UP SOMETIMES AND STUDY EACH OTHER AND LISTEN TO EACH OTHER..

this.

Both sides have their struggles and we have to recognize that. Africans gotta learn of the systemic racism and institutional racism of today and what the effects of slavery and Jim Crow were for black folks and black folks gotta understand that other blacks been through it with cacs in one way, shape, or form. So just as opinion here is shaped by a mostly cac media, the same is done in other countries. The negative cultures created in the destruction of the Black Power era abhors most Africans, Caribs, etc and naturally everyone isn't gonna bother to dig deeper as to why things are as they are. Dialogue is very important, but with each passing generation we all go backwards from all the work that was done.

 

[Illuminatos]

Nah, my family is from Jamaica but never had a problem with black americans though. Although there was a little tension between them and haitians.

 

[Ohene]

whoever said that many africans try to emulate americans was correct. Mainly West Africans though. Not necessarily americans, but western culture in general

This thread is over simplifying shyt though. You have your africans who stan the USA and those who recognize yall for the pompous people yall are and disassociate. Then there are those who dont give a fukk, and just wanna get their education, a good job and live life. Stop making generalizations.

 

[QuintessentialBM]

Let's not kid ourselves.... There's no such thing as pan-Africanism. That dream died when the U.S. government deported Marcus Garvey back to Jamaica. The evidence is as clear as day. I doubt that dream is ever realized....

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Wait, I never put Black American culture above any other Africans. I stated clearly, if you have love for us then I got love for you. If not, there is no love lost. I got mad love for East Africans. Shyt, I have no idea what part of Africa my ancestors came from at this point, being a mutt and all.

And yes, I am proud of America. All of that bad stuff you wrote about can be said about ANY country. Blacks are at the bottom of the totem pole everywhere. In fact, that makes me even more proud that we still persevere in a world that has it against us. Makes me even more proud of what Blacks have been able to do in the 150 years we have been free. In 150 years, we have created our own little culture that would rival most. Why can't I be proud? Because there is evil in the world? That sounds dumb.

You missed the part where I said bluntly that I am all for supporting all people of the African diaspora but I have pride in my own. That sounds like embracing too me, but no I won't feign like I don't have my own culture: leaders, entertainers, foods, clothing, history, music, etc to be proud of.

I'm sorry bruh, but Blacks are the envy of all other Africans. They wished they were natural citizens of the USA, the greatest and most prosperous lands. I could care less what a Panamanians, Brazilians, Puerto Ricans, English Blacks, French Blacks, Cubans, Dominicans, Trinidadians, Jamaicans, Nigerians, Ghanians, or whatever feels for me and all other Africans of American slave ancestry. We will never be one big group culturally, all of us different Africans, and so there is no love lost.

Yall will never be like us in the USA. Whites look down at yall even more so than us, regardless if yall get educations and shyt. Yall aren't "American." I got love for all Africans but hey, if yall want to hate on us, there is no love lost.

But i'm not even gonna dwell on that, it ain't that serious.

What your saying is too basic tho. If I crossed black folks that ain't have love for me I'm not gonna be like "Oh well, at least I wasn't a slave." or some supremely ignorant shyt like that. Just kim if you meet an African on some sambo shyt or on some ignorant shyt. West Africans go in on East Africans sometimes but I still love my West Africans and believe in unity against a common system. And if you wanna know where your ancestors come from you can find out, the means are out there. I don't see what the problem is with that.

And no, the stuff I said can't be said for any country. America has the biggest prison pop by far, America has actively destroyed movements that were geared towards the improvement and upward mobility of black people. How can you be proud of that? Only thing about America that makes me proud are the black people that survived her onslaught. And I totally agree its something you should be proud of too. But the only credit this land has in black culture is providing the atmosphere. We look at shyt totally different, you think something like stop and frisk policies or human beings gettin locked away in tiny boxes as some small evil while I look at them as just more blemishes on an extremely ugly face.

Do like Bob said and keep your culture, just don't let these cacs dupe you into some kumbayaa shyt or think that black unity worldwide is some unimportant thing.

Let's not kid ourselves.... There's no such thing as pan-Africanism. That dream died when the U.S. government deported Marcus Garvey back to Jamaica. The evidence is as clear as day. I doubt that dream is ever realized....

How could the dream of died when Pan Africanism became bigger after Garvey's death? Pan Africanism has a greater chance than ever with globalization taking hold.

 

[Poitier]

But i'm not even gonna dwell on that, it ain't that serious.

What your saying is too basic tho. If I crossed black folks that ain't have love for me I'm not gonna be like "Oh well, at least I wasn't a slave." or some supremely ignorant shyt like that. Just kim if you meet an African on some sambo shyt or on some ignorant shyt. West Africans go in on East Africans sometimes but I still love my West Africans and believe in unity against a common system. And if you wanna know where your ancestors come from you can find out, the means are out there. I don't see what the problem is with that.

And no, the stuff I said can't be said for any country. America has the biggest prison pop by far, America has actively destroyed movements that were geared towards the improvement and upward mobility of black people. How can you be proud of that? Only thing about America that makes me proud are the black people that survived her onslaught. And I totally agree its something you should be proud of too. But the only credit this land has in black culture is providing the atmosphere. We look at shyt totally different, you think something like stop and frisk policies or human beings gettin locked away in tiny boxes as some small evil while I look at them as just more blemishes on an extremely ugly face.

Do like Bob said and keep your culture, just don't let these cacs dupe you into some kumbayaa shyt or think that black unity worldwide is some unimportant thing.





How could the dream of died when Pan Africanism became bigger after Garvey's death? Pan Africanism has a greater chance than ever with globalization taking hold.

Those quotes were in the context of "no love lost." Meaning, I am more than willing to help other Africans out but if you don't like us, so what? We have it better off and your approval won't make or break us. Do I want Africans throughout the World to like us? Sure. Is it a requirement? Fukk no.


Even If I find out where I am from, I still have no connection to that land. America is my particular diasporas home. Beyond that, I am most likely many different types of African due to all the mixing, that confuses it further. I don't see people telling Jamaicans and Black Cubans to go find their African ancestors place of origin and relate to that and forget Jamaica or Cuba.


Ok, America has destroyed Black movements. So what? Same can be said for England, most Latin American countries, France, etc

African countries and Caribbean Islands have their own morality issues as far as women and gays and other fukked up shyt go. You choose to focus on whatever fukked up shyt it is. I didn't say being a Black American is easy, it clearly is not, but with all the bad there is TONS of good things we have accomplished and will continue.

And I agree, unity is important, but my culture comes before my ancestry. I'd rather that they not conflict.

 

[MaLi]

My first trip to Africa I met locals from different areas of the country we visited.
They knew I wasn't from there but they still treated me with respect. I was initially worried because I've always heard that "Africans look down on us", but that couldn't have been further from the truth. The people in the city were cool for the most part, and the people in the villages were some of the greatest humans I'd ever encountered.

One brother from a group of former child soldiers called me a "half caste". He was giving me a back handed compliment saying I was "strong" because of it. I had to correct him since he was the child soldier that escaped from hell and was trying to make a living to help out his family. But there was a "white is better" complex over there for some of the individuals, especially when it came to European influenced christianity.

Then in the rural areas, we came across hundreds of children from different villages. These children had no material possessions, but were grateful for the littlest things. The parents seemed weary at first, but they came around and even though there was a language+cultural barrier, I felt like I was with family.



Stop paying attention to the media. You gonna have a$$holes everywhere no matter their color, race, or culture, but we shouldn't paint each other with the same brush that the European controlled media does.

Go to Africa brehs

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Those quotes were in the context of "no love lost." Meaning, I am more than willing to help other Africans out but if you don't like us, so what? We have it better off and your approval won't make or break us. Do I want Africans throughout the World to like us? Sure. Is it a requirement? Fukk no.


Even If I find out where I am from, I still have no connection to that land. America is my particular diasporas home. Beyond that, I am most likely many different types of African due to all the mixing, that confuses it further. I don't see people telling Jamaicans and Black Cubans to go find their African ancestors place of origin and relate to that and forget Jamaica or Cuba.


Ok, America has destroyed Black movements. So what? Same can be said for England, most Latin American countries, France, etc

African countries and Caribbean Islands have their own morality issues as far as women and gays and other fukked up shyt go. You choose to focus on whatever fukked up shyt it is. I didn't say being a Black American is easy, it clearly is not, but with all the bad there is TONS of good things we have accomplished and will continue.

And I agree, unity is important, but my culture comes before my ancestry. I'd rather that they not conflict.

Fair enough on the first point, but I still don't think it's exactly the attitude to have. I understand it tho.

fo real fo real you don't need to know, I only suggest it cuz its something AAs always bring up. One of my aunts is AA and she's Afrocentric/Pro-Black type but she never traced her roots as far as I know. It's not a necessity, it's just that when nikkaz say I don't even know where I'm from then its like "Aight, here's a method, go find out" then it's something else after that. I don't think the idea is to fully embrace Africa in that way. Black people on this side of the world are new forms of Africans imo. Whereas Africans gain their Africanness and their blackness from direct, traditional sources. And I don't think black people further south ever bothered to trace their roots since the cultures developed within those countries are much more closely associated with their Africa in that particular aspects of their culture can be directly traced to matching cultures in Africa as well. (i.e. Afro-Brazilians/Yorubas)

lol, da fukk you mean so what? So fukk em, that's what.

That's all fine and good and maybe if all sides worked together it'd be cool and we could improve each other. But I'm just explaining one side of it, I've argued this shyt in my family many times over cuz some of them do hold those kinda feelings, we all gotta be proud of ourselves and each other it's not some your better than me type shyt we all black and we all we got. nikkaz is fukked up in one way shape or form all over the world due to cacs either directly or indirectly.

 

[Family Man]

You nikkas don't understand the difference between Culture and race. For most people, outside of Americans, culture takes precedence over race.

 

[#BOTHSIDES]

I see everyone as a brotha. black, white and anything in between...just dont call me nikka tho other than that we good

 

[Green negs and spam]

All I know is that if somebody is shytting on African Americans, Africans, Afro Brazilians, Caribbeans etc to my face my reaction isn't going to be "Don't associate me with them" it will be . On the flip side if I see or hear news of a black person doing well I'll express pride in them and wish them well, no matter the group.

 

[#BOTHSIDES]

You nikkas don't understand the difference between Culture and race. For most people, outside of Americans, culture takes precedence over race.

true. i always say when it comes to ppl for me, it's not about color but culture. still keep an open mind and open heart