African History =/= Black History

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Hilarious considering the reason Malcolm made that quote was for people like you who believes our history began with Slavery

Yes...cause black history only spans 500+ years and not....25,000+.

Dear lord some of you negroes is pathetic.

 

[Tallac]

Who said AA culture is just slavery? Are you claiming AAs are not "part of a nation of peoples" with a culture?

In 2015, AA culture is more salient than African culture.

For who?

 

[Poitier]

For who?

The world.

 

[Tallac]

The world.

Disagree, but I will let you cook.

 

[filial_piety]

Technically he has a point, because look at the Samoans while obviously of African lineage, they don't identify with it not only because of colonization, but primarily because of how far removed they are from said heritage.

I think he's technically right. I've said this before, I've taken a DNA test which resulted in showing that I am an amalgamation of regions in West and Central Africa, comprising of probably dozens and dozens of ethnic groups, languages and cultures plus a small hint of Caucasian (non-African) DNA. Now with that being said, there isn't any one particular group that I could claim even if I knew what they were individually...now due to the horrid history of the slave trade, those groups were brought together to make myself (and many others) who they are today that otherwise wouldn't have even procreated with one another.

It's a combination of of circumstances that for the most part began in the US.

 

[Barnett114]

As a matter of fact, Africans arrived in North America more than a century before both the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock and before these Angolans arrived in Virginia. What's more, we even know the identity of the first documented African to arrive. His name was Juan Garrido, and more astonishing, he wasn't even a slave.

Juan Garrido was born in West Africa around 1480. According to the historians Ricardo Alegria and Jane Landers, Garrido's notarized "probanza" (his curriculum vitae, more or less), dated 1538, says he moved from Africa to Lisbon, Portugal, of his own volition as a free man, stayed in Spain for seven years, and then, seeking his fortune and perhaps a bit of fame, he joined the earliest conquistadors to the New World. All the sworn witnesses to this document affirm that Garrido was "horro," or free, when he arrived in Spain. Sailing from Seville around 1508, he arrived on the island of La Española, which is today called Hispaniola, the island on which the Dominican Republic and Haiti reside. He later settled in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Garrido is the first documented black person to arrive in this country, and he is also the first black conquistador.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/his...erican_100_amazing_facts_about_the_negro.html

 

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As a matter of fact, Africans arrived in North America more than a century before both the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock and before these Angolans arrived in Virginia. What's more, we even know the identity of the first documented African to arrive. His name was Juan Garrido, and more astonishing, he wasn't even a slave.

Juan Garrido was born in West Africa around 1480. According to the historians Ricardo Alegria and Jane Landers, Garrido's notarized "probanza" (his curriculum vitae, more or less), dated 1538, says he moved from Africa to Lisbon, Portugal, of his own volition as a free man, stayed in Spain for seven years, and then, seeking his fortune and perhaps a bit of fame, he joined the earliest conquistadors to the New World. All the sworn witnesses to this document affirm that Garrido was "horro," or free, when he arrived in Spain. Sailing from Seville around 1508, he arrived on the island of La Española, which is today called Hispaniola, the island on which the Dominican Republic and Haiti reside. He later settled in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Garrido is the first documented black person to arrive in this country, and he is also the first black conquistador.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/his...erican_100_amazing_facts_about_the_negro.html

But is he a #RealBlack though

 

[Birnin Zana]

Understood. But none if that is our culture now.

You know who relates more to that? The Africans that are actually over there. They still have that language and culture and nation.

We have our own languages, cultures and nations here now.

So our race may be the same, but we're not the same ppl and don't have the same history.

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Those same languages and cultures had a direct effect on the shaping of the new world nations, especially in the Caribbean and parts of South America and even North America.

Of course there are differences that should be acknowledged, but it's not like today's culture and lingo, patois and creole for example, just came out of thin air. It came from somewhere.

Nothing wrong with knowing who your ancestors were and where they came from breh.

 

[Barnett114]

But is he a #RealBlack though

 

[Rapmastermind]

Yes...cause black history only spans 500+ years and not....25,000+.

Dear lord some of you negroes is pathetic.

Black people are the original man of the planet f*ckin earth but our history begins on a racist European's boat? LOL.

 

[Poitier]

Yes...cause black history only spans 500+ years and not....25,000+.

Dear lord some of you negroes is pathetic.

The thread is not about Black people as a monolith.

 

[Birnin Zana]

Who said AA culture is just slavery? Are you claiming AAs are not "part of a nation of peoples" with a culture?

In 2015, AA culture is more salient than African culture.

OP said that his history starts when his ancestors arrived to the new world. I disagreed, hence me saying there more to that. That's all I'm saying.

Besides, aren't you interested in knowing who you ancestors were before they got sent to the new world? How they lived? What language they spoke, etc? Aren't you curious on how some, if not all, of that could've influenced where you are now?

 

[Blackking]

I think he's technically right. I've said this before, I've taken a DNA test which resulted in showing that I am an amalgamation of regions in West and Central Africa, comprising of probably dozens and dozens of ethnic groups, languages and cultures plus a small hint of Caucasian (non-African) DNA. Now with that being said, there isn't any one particular group that I could claim even if I knew what they were individually...now due to the horrid history of the slave trade, those groups were brought together to make myself (and many others) who they are today that otherwise wouldn't have even procreated with one another.

It's a combination of of circumstances that for the most part began in the US.

As a matter of fact, Africans arrived in North America more than a century before both the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock and before these Angolans arrived in Virginia. What's more, we even know the identity of the first documented African to arrive. His name was Juan Garrido, and more astonishing, he wasn't even a slave.

Juan Garrido was born in West Africa around 1480. According to the historians Ricardo Alegria and Jane Landers, Garrido's notarized "probanza" (his curriculum vitae, more or less), dated 1538, says he moved from Africa to Lisbon, Portugal, of his own volition as a free man, stayed in Spain for seven years, and then, seeking his fortune and perhaps a bit of fame, he joined the earliest conquistadors to the New World. All the sworn witnesses to this document affirm that Garrido was "horro," or free, when he arrived in Spain. Sailing from Seville around 1508, he arrived on the island of La Española, which is today called Hispaniola, the island on which the Dominican Republic and Haiti reside. He later settled in San Juan, Puerto Rico.

Garrido is the first documented black person to arrive in this country, and he is also the first black conquistador.

http://www.theroot.com/articles/his...erican_100_amazing_facts_about_the_negro.html

These are two Great post



I don't agree with the first one though... even the mixing doesn't negate a collective history

 

[Poitier]

OP said that his history starts when his ancestors arrived to the new world. I disagreed, hence me saying there more to that. That's all I'm saying.

Besides, aren't you interested in knowing who you ancestors were before they got sent to the new world? How they lived? What language they spoke, etc? Aren't you curious on how some, if not all, of that could've influenced where you are now?

I agree that African history is a history inherited by New World Blacks, but it is a separate history, save a few pan-african crossovers here and there.