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I was saying the exact same thing all last year and people called me everything but a child of God!
African Americans Need To Boycott The Democratic Party
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I was saying the exact same thing all last year and people called me everything but a child of God!
GetInTheTruck
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this shyt is so accurate. 
Fillerguy
Veteran
If we boycott the Dems, the Repubs wont care because we have little political power (small population, not united, few leaders in any significant positions of power). Not enough to challenge Latinos, or Whites. All every negro didnt vote for Obama last election, he still would've won. If every negro voted for Romney, Obama still would've lost. We are of no value to either party.
Blacks could try and create a new party but it'd be either
- co-opted by one of the bigger 2 parties or the other 3rd parties by the 3rd election
- fall into obscenity aka Panthers
Our population is only getting smaller and many Blacks nowadays consider being labeled Black a 4 letter word.....so we're fukked
Blacks could try and create a new party but it'd be either
- co-opted by one of the bigger 2 parties or the other 3rd parties by the 3rd election
- fall into obscenity aka Panthers
Our population is only getting smaller and many Blacks nowadays consider being labeled Black a 4 letter word.....so we're fukked
If we boycott the Dems, the Repubs wont care because we have little political power (small population, not united, few leaders in any significant positions of power). Not enough to challenge Latinos, or Whites. All every negro didnt vote for Obama last election, he still would've won. If every negro voted for Romney, Obama still would've lost. We are of no value to either party.
Blacks could try and create a new party but it'd be either
- co-opted by one of the bigger 2 parties or the other 3rd parties by the 3rd election
- fall into obscenity aka Panthers
Our population is only getting smaller and many Blacks nowadays consider being labeled Black a 4 letter word.....so we're fukked
there are a lot of things wrong with this post, primarily it reeks of cowardice, but besides that some of your facts are just point blank wrong, there are more black voters then latino voters and if all black voters had voted for romney, Romney would have definitely won and the black population is not getting smaller
and the reason why black votes dont matter is not the size its because black votes are predictable
A good example of why black people have so little political power is this amnesty thing, like I was saying in the other thread, all it would take to take that train off its tracks is 1 or 2 black congressmen standing up and saying that they are not feeling it
The very next day you will have a media storm and the president and Harry Reid will be calling in demanding to make a deal to make black support amnesty
But instead since Harry Reid and Obama knows that black politicians will support whatever the fuk they put out, why would they need to consult with black politicians
And this goes on in issue after issue, black politicians simply get behind the party line, black politicians should go against the party line just because even if they actually agree, just to flex their muscle
The very next day you will have a media storm and the president and Harry Reid will be calling in demanding to make a deal to make black support amnesty
But instead since Harry Reid and Obama knows that black politicians will support whatever the fuk they put out, why would they need to consult with black politicians
And this goes on in issue after issue, black politicians simply get behind the party line, black politicians should go against the party line just because even if they actually agree, just to flex their muscle
I remember CNN and MSNBC saying that the Black vote was the swinging factor that Obama won Virginia and Ohio.
Broke Wave
The GOAT
Black people need to stop being ashamed of asking for things from their government.
The "Liberals" on MSNBC say "Obama is working hard to do this and that for you, look at this corporate healthcare! All people benefit, including black people, so there ya go!!!"
Conservatives say black people are getting welfare and food stamps which is a type of reparations, even though more white people get it, still that's your Obama.
Black people need to stop being ashamed to DEMAND jobs from this corporatocracy. They need to demand infrastructure spending and loans in places like the South-Side of Chicago and the South Bronx. How did Sarah Palin get 256 Million for a bridge in Alaska and they cant get a jobs program or small business loans for any one of the dying communities with our brothers and sisters in it? If the democrats wont help you then please, STOP HELPING THEM.
The "Liberals" on MSNBC say "Obama is working hard to do this and that for you, look at this corporate healthcare! All people benefit, including black people, so there ya go!!!"
Conservatives say black people are getting welfare and food stamps which is a type of reparations, even though more white people get it, still that's your Obama.
Black people need to stop being ashamed to DEMAND jobs from this corporatocracy. They need to demand infrastructure spending and loans in places like the South-Side of Chicago and the South Bronx. How did Sarah Palin get 256 Million for a bridge in Alaska and they cant get a jobs program or small business loans for any one of the dying communities with our brothers and sisters in it? If the democrats wont help you then please, STOP HELPING THEM.
Congress controls spending. So who is holding our congressional representatives accountable in this representative republic that we live? All roads lead to the people on the ground not doing enough....
Thats why as an Obama apologist I don't really entertain most of the "we gotta hold him accountable" shyt. Cuz its mostly just a big theatrical Cornel West rant that ultimately leads to "us" (y'all) stripping his imaginary black card and still getting nothing in return. Miss me with that...
We all know local and mid-term elections matter more to making changes. But none of us really care or put any energy into that. Including me...
Broke Wave
The GOAT
Yeah nice cop out.
You realize FDR had massive opposition to the new deal in the 30's for some period of time? He still forced the new deal down their throats... because he advocated for the new deal on the grassroots level.
Obama has not ONCE. not ONE TIME advocated for anything that specifically targets the struggling black population from which he comes from. not once did he go back to the places where he community organized and make a speech. not once did he try and uplift the lowest people in america with policy and not poetry. you talk about representatives... did obama not have TWO YEARS of a majority in the house and senate?
and it would be one thing if he didn't go out of his way to mention black issues and black america, but the only thing hes EVER SAID is, "I'm NOT the president of black america, I'm the president of America".
So is he the president of Israel when he goes over there and kisses their wall and gives them billions and unilateral support for whatever they do, and drapes himself in their flag?
WAKE UP
You and I had this discussion last time, and we basically came to the point that black americans do not have a single issue that they're all pushing for. There is not one issue that you can think of and the connotation of black americans automatically comes up. I don't think black americans need to come up with solutions, because it's not like immigrants wrote the dream act, but they do need to put their electoral weight behind something. As far as the bolded, that's hyperbole, i refuse to believe any black person is that foolish. But on the same token, it's also easy to scream about what hasn't been done when you never demonstrated what you wanted during the process anyway. Think about it, when politicians went to black communities it was just to get the vote out, it wasn't about pitching a certain idea. Given that the guy who wrote a book about African-Americans participating in a one party system taught me years ago in college (RIP) I fully understand that the dilemma, but that doesn't excuse not having an issue.
I'm sorry, but you're Canadian, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. And I sit back all the time and don't say anything because I'm not some Obama surrogate who wants to defend him, but you guys keep throwing out visceral nonsense that is easy for him or any other shytty Democratic politician to dismiss. I, and a bunch of my friends have worked in D.C., during the first two Obama years and you're just making a bunch of false statements. First and foremost, you sound very uninformed about FDR's legacy. FDR had debates about his ideas because they were new, but he was still elected to be the exact opposite of his predecessor. Second, people had reservations about some of his ideas but they still passed easily during his first wave of New Deal legislation. The second wave occurred with LARGE Democratic majorities. You say ignorant shyt, like "but Obama had both the Senate and the Congress" while ignoring that Democrats got that majority by catering to blue dog democrats and people who were once just moderate republicans. shyt, Rahm Emanuel tried to get one of my undergrad professors who was a moderate republican and lost his seat to the tea party because he supported stem cell research but he refused. That same professor just helped get the Republican Michigan Governor Synder elected that is tearing apart unions and is literally taking control of cities to the point where students turned their back on him at the Michigan graduation while he was speaking.
Cats who were retiring and not even seeking reelection in 2010 and were about to make that private sector move. THAT WAS THE DEMOCRATIC COALITION. You're sitting here acting like Obama didn't make Pelosi take a lot of shyt to the floor only to have it die or have people tell them that they're not voting for it. You're sitting here like the Jobs Act did not get fillibustered, in other words you're making a simplistic ass argument. Am I AM ONLY speaking in generalities, if got into specifics you would have no leg to stand on.
Obama did go back to black communities to speak, what the hell are you talking about. The problem was that he went there and only preached about the black family as opposed to specific economic issues. That is where the critique should be and what it should be about, but you don't need a bunch of falsehoods to get there. You talk about FDR like he didn't compromise have black people left off the G.I Bill, and a large amount of those social welfare programs to appease white southern democrats. All politicians make compromises, shyt you can argue that Obama is making similar compromises because he's purposefully being ambivalent about black issues because it plays negatively among white people.
I don't like it, and I'm against it. But shyt, I wrote my undergraduate research paper on this and said that this would happen. The only optimism in that paper was maybe in the second term, and I'm still skeptical. The only thing you got right was that black people should stop helping democrats.
Yup. :nas: But to add, it has shyt to do with black people being afraid to ask for shyt. It has to do with not making credible threats.
No, you got called names because you wanted us to support Ron Paul.
Broke Wave
The GOAT
@BarNone
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Ah yes FDR was elected to be the exact opposite of his predecessor. Can you think of a president in recent memory who campaigned on "change" and pro-ported to be the exact opposite of his predecessor? Hint, he's African American.
This is a little bit confusing my friend. First we're talking about blue dog Democrats, which we agree are very similar to moderate Republicans and you're saying that the Democrats got their majority by catering to independents, when the reality is quite different.
Obama won because of RECORD VOTER TURNOUT and the YOUTH VOTE, not because of independent switch side voters, there is not a single study or link or article or anything you can post that will dispute the record. The overwhelming majority of youth, minority, and women voters put Obama way over the top.
Furthermore, if we believe "blue dogs" are the problem, President Obama once said he was a blue dog democrat... a right wing democrat... which is exactly the reason why African Americans shouldn't support him.
Woodward: Obama tells people "I am a Blue Dog" - AMERICAblog
This is an interesting part of your rant because in the following paragraph you attack me for talking in generalities. You are acting like the Democrats lost the mid-term because of people retiring and "making that private sector move". The Democrats lost because of their pathetic inaction and inability to motivate their base, and the tea party.
Do you really think the Jobs Act, a bill that allows crowd funding apparently, by circumventing existing fraud laws is going to address any of my concerns?
And you act like I think FDR was my uncle or something. He was a pragmatic politician in the 1930's. What he did in the initially race based compromises of the New Deal is inexcusable. But the problem with Obama is not his compromises, it's his right wining ideology and right wing agenda. The 1994 Republican healthcare act was not a compromise of a public option or single payer. The Obama tax cuts were not a compromise of an actual tax raise.
It's interesting that your skepticism would turn into hostility towards me. I don't understand what Obama has done that has been so groundbreaking, so great, so powerful and so important that it would lead you to burst into insults against someone who according to you is a know nothing foreigner. Interesting.
I don't think anyone here would agree with your sentiments. I do know what I'm talking about. My Canadian citizenship has no bearing on the validity of my criticisms or arguments.
First and foremost, you sound very uninformed about FDR's legacy. FDR had debates about his ideas because they were new, but he was still elected to be the exact opposite of his predecessor. Second, people had reservations about some of his ideas but they still passed easily during his first wave of New Deal legislation
Ah yes FDR was elected to be the exact opposite of his predecessor. Can you think of a president in recent memory who campaigned on "change" and pro-ported to be the exact opposite of his predecessor? Hint, he's African American.
Ignorant shyt like "Facts"
This is a little bit confusing my friend. First we're talking about blue dog Democrats, which we agree are very similar to moderate Republicans and you're saying that the Democrats got their majority by catering to independents, when the reality is quite different.
Obama won because of RECORD VOTER TURNOUT and the YOUTH VOTE, not because of independent switch side voters, there is not a single study or link or article or anything you can post that will dispute the record. The overwhelming majority of youth, minority, and women voters put Obama way over the top.
Furthermore, if we believe "blue dogs" are the problem, President Obama once said he was a blue dog democrat... a right wing democrat... which is exactly the reason why African Americans shouldn't support him.
Woodward: Obama tells people "I am a Blue Dog" - AMERICAblog
This is an interesting part of your rant because in the following paragraph you attack me for talking in generalities. You are acting like the Democrats lost the mid-term because of people retiring and "making that private sector move". The Democrats lost because of their pathetic inaction and inability to motivate their base, and the tea party.
Do you really think the Jobs Act, a bill that allows crowd funding apparently, by circumventing existing fraud laws is going to address any of my concerns?
The lecture hall at Moorehead or Howard isn't the black community.
And you act like I think FDR was my uncle or something. He was a pragmatic politician in the 1930's. What he did in the initially race based compromises of the New Deal is inexcusable. But the problem with Obama is not his compromises, it's his right wining ideology and right wing agenda. The 1994 Republican healthcare act was not a compromise of a public option or single payer. The Obama tax cuts were not a compromise of an actual tax raise.
It's interesting that your skepticism would turn into hostility towards me. I don't understand what Obama has done that has been so groundbreaking, so great, so powerful and so important that it would lead you to burst into insults against someone who according to you is a know nothing foreigner. Interesting.
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Yall saying the Dems are focusing on Latinos. All they're doing is working for immigration reform. Those Latinos still have to go get the jobs. And if you're worried about competing for jobs with people who can barely speak English, that's your own damn problem.
TBH, the only reason I vote for the Dems is because of affirmative action. If the republicans would agree on oversight of businesses to make sure they're hiring practices are fair. IMO, all businesses' racial makeup should be directly proportional to the US populations. But of course, the applicants would have to be qualified. If the repubs could manage that simple task, Id vote for em. Cause I'm really starting to dislike Liberals.
TBH, the only reason I vote for the Dems is because of affirmative action. If the republicans would agree on oversight of businesses to make sure they're hiring practices are fair. IMO, all businesses' racial makeup should be directly proportional to the US populations. But of course, the applicants would have to be qualified. If the repubs could manage that simple task, Id vote for em. Cause I'm really starting to dislike Liberals.
yeah it is our problem, what about when a black person applies at a regular job like a bank or supermakret or teacher and they say you have to know spanish?
and
at affirmative action
picture me boycotting my first black president. 
if anything he deserves jackie robinson type recognition just for breaking the most powerful color barrier of all time. and we did it before women, open gays, latinos, and asians.
You feel that. Its called pride nikka bop bop gunshot
if anything he deserves jackie robinson type recognition just for breaking the most powerful color barrier of all time. and we did it before women, open gays, latinos, and asians. You feel that. Its called pride nikka bop bop gunshot