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Interesting article on R&B where the 90s cats were talking down on the 80's, slick production style
8 Reasons Why R&B Has Died In The Black Community
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funny you say this considering real OG jazz heads considered jazz to be dead in the 80s. They viewed and saw 1980's "smooth jazz" the way you see modern R&B
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It's a mater of taste between classic soul/funk and the new stuff that appeared post-disco but it was clearly wasn't dead
see last post
that happened to bunch all "urban" music together. R&B and HipHop is still distinguishable depending on sub style. Does this sound like HipHop to you?
how about this?
it is real Contemp R&B by all definitions
Contemporary R&B, also known as simply R&B, is a music genre that combines elements of rhythm and blues, soul, funk, pop, hip hop and dance.
what it clearly isn't outside of certain styles is Soul music
who said it was hiphop? It's contemp R&B
It's contemp R&B, not classic Soul music
stop it...classical, jazz. blues, latin, edm have the around same amount of overall consumption from,
Overall: CDs + vinyl + downloads + streaming
US, 2015. Source: Nielsen Music.
stop it...see above
Again, how is any of that relevant to the 16-25 year olds today?
Are any of those people changing the world the way Stevie did with "Songs in the Key of Life"?
You keep arguing that just because music exists, it's not dead.
I'm saying, that if it's not dictating the way people dress, talk, act, or is filling stadiums, then it's dead.
None of the people you're posting are on the cover of Rolling Stone or mainstream magazines. They're barely getting played on radio as it is, and when they are, it won't be in most laces where young people will listen to it and before you say that people don't listen to radio anymore, please see that radio is STILL the place most Americans find new music
Radio still rules the roost: Most Americans disover music the old fashioned way
funny you say this considering real OG jazz heads considered jazz to be dead in the 80s. They viewed and saw 1980's "smooth jazz" the way you see modern R&B
In comparison to where Jazz was in the '60s, I could see why they'd say it was dead artistically. For the same reason a lot of people feel Hip-Hop is dead artistically today, but back then it still had some MAINSTREAM presence. You could turn on BET on any given day and see a Jazz artist being played and Jazz artists were still played on mainstream radio. That is not the case today.
For the most part, the guys you say are doing "real R&B" are completely irrelevant in the mainstream, therefore are not really apart of the cultural zeitgeist, rendering them unimportant to this argument.
The important music (music mainstream fans are listening to) is not REAL R&B. The stuff that is irrelevant (stuff for hardcore fans) will always exist.
Mozart and Beethoven will always be played somewhere, but that doesn't mean they will be relevant in the top 40 or in the cultural zeitgeist
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funny you say this considering real OG jazz heads considered jazz to be dead in the 80s. They viewed and saw 1980's "smooth jazz" the way you see modern R&B
I still see smooth jazz in that way
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that age group listens to alot of indie for example. A ton of indie rock is blues based like The Black Keys, jack White and Alabama Shakes
there are many innovative/eclectic sounds to be found in "modern r&B".
Why do you nee a popular mag to validate your musical tastes/let you know how healthy a genre is? Rolling Stone puts white rock acts on their cover all of the time and you still have white people complaining that rock is dead
again, why do you need radio to tell what and what isn't popping/good?
jazz is alive a well even if you don't see on TV as often
How A Korean Jazz Festival Found A Huge Young Audience
The art of jazz is flourishing, we know, with young musicians developing the music all over the world. But the business of jazz sees much hand-wringing over the music's aging audience, its sea of gray hair. And nowhere in the world have I seen a jazz audience as young as at Jarasum: The crowd felt anachronistic, like a 21st-century resurrection of jazz's swing-era popularity.
How A Korean Jazz Festival Found A Huge Young Audience
contempt R&B is all over the mainstream
the throwback "soul guys" even get their coverage
its real contemporary R&B
why do you need something to be popular to enjoy it?
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that age group listens to alot of indie for example. A ton of indie rock is blues based like The Black Keys, jack White and Alabama Shakes
there are many innovative/eclectic sounds to found in "modern r&B".
Why do you a popular mag to validate your musical tatses/let you know how healthy a genre is? Rolling Stone puts white rock acts on their cover all of the time and you still have white people complaining that rock is dead
again, why do you need radio to tell what and what isn't popping/good?
jazz is alive a well if you don't see on TV as often
How A Korean Jazz Festival Found A Huge Young Audience
How A Korean Jazz Festival Found A Huge Young Audience
contempt R&B is all over the mainstream
the throwback "soul guys" even get their coverage
its real contemporary R&B
why do you need something to be popular to enjoy it?
Indie music has been edging towards electronica the last few year, the black keyes have never been indie though.
Agree with everything else you've said though.
Leon Bridges and Michael Kiwanaku are just two of many whom are fighting the good fight. Here are a few more honorable mentions
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Alot of modern/recent indie rock I come across sounds electronic/disco/funk influenced
Black Keys were definitely group/filed under Indie Rock years ago
Top earning indie rock bands and musicians
List of indie rock musicians - Wikipedia
yup. I posted some of those in my thread
Official thread for current/modern R&B based music that's not being heard by the masses/top 40 radio
RnB is traditionally a genre where women are valued. Romance and showing tender love to a woman seems like a Simps game these days..
The hyper masculinity and Thug talk of the past few years has basically made it impossible for a man to sing a love ode to a female without looking weak and stupid.
The hyper masculinity and Thug talk of the past few years has basically made it impossible for a man to sing a love ode to a female without looking weak and stupid.
This! If you study each era of R&B you can tell how they regard the women. Today's woman doesn't really want to hear the mushy stuff. Female R&B is a bit better because the pain element never leaves no matter the era.
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For the record, this article is from 1993
Interesting article on R&B where the 90s cats were talking down on the 80's, slick production style
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That's ironic because the male "r&b" of today sounds feminine and far from masculine to my ears.
Chris Brown, Trey Songs, Bryson Tiller, Ne-Yo, etc. sound barely adolescent and fragile when compared to Dennis Edwards, Eddie LeVert, Levi Stubbs and Barry White.
Where'd the bass-in-the-voice go?
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Interesting article on R&B where the 90s cats were talking down on the 80's, slick production style
This Vibe article talks about Boyz II Men selling 7 million records and Color Me Badd selling 5 million.
That happened right at the time of the Hip Hop industry takeover, led by Death Row, Def Jam and Bad Boy.
Black music has not been the same since.
R&B departments were replaced by rap label deals with the major labels. Many of the execs quoted in the article were ejected from their jobs soon after it was printed.
The bass in men's voices also left hipho where now we got whiny squeeky sounding half men trying to sound tough..
What I meant is that Chris Brown and the rest don't sing love songs..they sing of explicit fukking and shyt on tape. Women are not valued but mere objects serving as Cum dumpsters.
