K.O.N.Y
Superstar
What about them.
$1.6 billion reparations paid by U.S. government
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JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
In other words,“Yea, we took your sh1t illegally……..we are willing to acknowledge that. No hard feelings.”
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
Notice how he doesn't address the, "Classic sign that you are one if not both of these. Did i ever say anything about you being a "double agent" or state that you were some wh1te man? So why would you bring either of these 2 things up?" part
I see you
If you see me in other topics, I ain't close to that shyt, and that is fact. Ask @Poitier and @Elle Driver how I be.
What about them.
So you gonna leave your fellow black brothers in the dust while you ball out? That would create more division and animosity.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
You mean Poitier, the other person VALITANTLY attempting to negate the legitmacy of this issue? That Poitier?
Breh, you are trying to get through to people who don't think logically. I think it's a pointless effort. Charmander, Elle, Marcuz, Thereheis etc all seem to get it but you have the same 3 or 4 posters who can't get past the basic facts.
K.O.N.Y
Superstar
This has nothing to do with them. Black Americans have been in this country since the 1600's. Our relationship with the United States is completely different
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
Article written on the issue by this c00n
By
Juan WilliamsJuan Williams
Updated April 9, 2002 12:01 a.m. ET
Once upon a time, the black reparations movement amounted to 40 acres and a mule for ex-slaves. Now that legendary but long discarded idea has been transformed into lawsuits against several American companies that allegedly profited more than a century ago from the always immoral but once legal trade in slaves. The legitimate offer to help emancipated slaves get a start in life as free men has now been twisted into a strange scheme to squeeze money out of any company with distant ties to the bitter business of slavery.
The real news here is that lawyers and academics behind this effort have apparently given up trying to get the U.S. government to pay reparations for slavery. The statute of limitations has long since expired on any direct claim of reparations for former slaves. And the slaves are long dead. So are the slave owners. Even a federal court dominated by liberal judges has ruled that there is no jurisdiction to hear a reparations case against the federal government. So now the faltering legal spotlight has shifted to pressuring private companies.
Racial Resentment
The consequences of this misguided adventure in racial politics has not changed. Whether government or industry foots the bill, any payment of reparations will spark waves of racial resentment. Charges of extortion will be made against black people as a whole, not only by whites but also by Hispanics and Asians, and especially by the large number of recent immigrants scrambling to make it on their own.
If reparations become a reality, black Americans already battling presumptions of inferiority (they are less hard working, less intelligent and less patriotic, according to whites questioned by pollsters) will also bear the weight of being demeaned as less able than any Mexican immigrant or Bosnian refugee. The newcomers, after all, are not asking for reparations -- they only want a chance to make it in America. The result will be a further segregation of low-income black people from the mainstream.
On a political level, the cost of reparations may be even higher. Reparations will mean an end to the moral responsibility that all Americans, especially white Americans, have for the history of slavery, legal segregation and the ongoing racism in our national life. That white guilt opens the door to the idea of national obligation to repair the damage of racism. Once the first reparations check is written, that moral responsibility will disappear and the door will shut on all claims for affirmative action in private industry, government and academia. It may also bring a collapse of the already tenuous support for social-welfare programs that are key to repairing the horrors of public schools in big cities, high rates of poverty among children, and jails overflowing with young black men.
Democrats as well as Republicans have rejected efforts to raise the reparations issue in Congress for a dozen years and polls show that nearly 70% of whites stand in opposition to even an apology for slavery. The minute any company starts writing reparations checks all the collective white guilt that fuels support for social policy to help poor black people will be exhausted. The debt will be paid and forgotten.
Given the devastating consequences contained in this Trojan Horse, why does the reparations movement march on?
On a simple level, it is about the alluring possibility of a bonanza payday for some of the lawyers involved. And there are still people who think they might get a check for thousands of dollars if some company somewhere issues a reparation check. The IRS is dealing with increasing numbers of people who have been duped into believing that they can claim a "Slavery Rebate" on their tax forms. (Last year, 80,000 people made that claim.)
But greed aside, the reparations movement is also evidence of the growing strength of black America. Some of the best-educated, most affluent black people in world history are properly flexing their political muscles. Randall Robinson, the author of a best-selling book calling for reparations, has told interviewers that the key issue is that black people have "decided for ourselves that they are our due."
In a diverse nation, the demands of a strong and vocal black community cannot be ignored. No matter how far-fetched the legal claim may be, there will be press conferences and college conferences to review the horrors of slavery. The devastation that slavery visited on black people is beyond debate and so is the history of exploitation of former slaves once they were set free without compensation for their labor.
But that sound argument is now being contorted into claims that black America is still feeling the impact of slavery. That stretch is necessary for the lawyers behind the reparations movement to support the idea that there are victims of slavery alive to serve as plaintiffs in a lawsuit. But while racist attitudes persist, it's hard to make the case that slavery is the issue when black Americans are enjoying record levels of educational attainment and income.
One intriguing way to look at reparations is as an effort by the rising black middle class to take control of the massive budgets dedicated to social-welfare policy. In the current lawsuits the money from reparations is designated for a treasury that would be controlled by a black elite and used as they see fit to improve life in black America. What is now national policy for dealing with black poverty would become a matter of a black nationalist agenda.
That is as sure a road to racial separatism as you can get. Scandals are sure to follow as money goes to black entrepreneurs who may be friends of the people handing out the money. And, inevitably, some black nationalists will complain that those controlling the money are addressing the wrong needs. Even without infighting and scandals it is obscene to think of this modern generation of black Americans profiting from the blood money drawn nearly 140 years ago from the exploitation of slaves.
Self-Indulgent Hysteria
There is nothing wrong with a fantasy about every black person getting a check for all that black people have gone through. But too much time spent in fantasy land is wasted time. If this reparations movement goes on much longer, history will view it as self-indulgent hysteria by people intoxicated by their rising power. The passion that currently goes for reparations would better be spent in other areas, such as confronting teachers' unions, civil-rights leaders and everyone else involved in our failure to educate minority kids.
Reparations are a dangerous, even evil, idea because they contradict the moral authority of black America's claim to equal rights. Pushing them through would only hurt race relations by encouraging negative stereotypes about blacks at a time when the nation is more diverse and the need for inter-racial understanding is at its greatest.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1018316713860646240
By
Juan WilliamsJuan Williams
Updated April 9, 2002 12:01 a.m. ET
Once upon a time, the black reparations movement amounted to 40 acres and a mule for ex-slaves. Now that legendary but long discarded idea has been transformed into lawsuits against several American companies that allegedly profited more than a century ago from the always immoral but once legal trade in slaves. The legitimate offer to help emancipated slaves get a start in life as free men has now been twisted into a strange scheme to squeeze money out of any company with distant ties to the bitter business of slavery.
The real news here is that lawyers and academics behind this effort have apparently given up trying to get the U.S. government to pay reparations for slavery. The statute of limitations has long since expired on any direct claim of reparations for former slaves. And the slaves are long dead. So are the slave owners. Even a federal court dominated by liberal judges has ruled that there is no jurisdiction to hear a reparations case against the federal government. So now the faltering legal spotlight has shifted to pressuring private companies.
Racial Resentment
The consequences of this misguided adventure in racial politics has not changed. Whether government or industry foots the bill, any payment of reparations will spark waves of racial resentment. Charges of extortion will be made against black people as a whole, not only by whites but also by Hispanics and Asians, and especially by the large number of recent immigrants scrambling to make it on their own.
If reparations become a reality, black Americans already battling presumptions of inferiority (they are less hard working, less intelligent and less patriotic, according to whites questioned by pollsters) will also bear the weight of being demeaned as less able than any Mexican immigrant or Bosnian refugee. The newcomers, after all, are not asking for reparations -- they only want a chance to make it in America. The result will be a further segregation of low-income black people from the mainstream.
On a political level, the cost of reparations may be even higher. Reparations will mean an end to the moral responsibility that all Americans, especially white Americans, have for the history of slavery, legal segregation and the ongoing racism in our national life. That white guilt opens the door to the idea of national obligation to repair the damage of racism. Once the first reparations check is written, that moral responsibility will disappear and the door will shut on all claims for affirmative action in private industry, government and academia. It may also bring a collapse of the already tenuous support for social-welfare programs that are key to repairing the horrors of public schools in big cities, high rates of poverty among children, and jails overflowing with young black men.
Democrats as well as Republicans have rejected efforts to raise the reparations issue in Congress for a dozen years and polls show that nearly 70% of whites stand in opposition to even an apology for slavery. The minute any company starts writing reparations checks all the collective white guilt that fuels support for social policy to help poor black people will be exhausted. The debt will be paid and forgotten.
Given the devastating consequences contained in this Trojan Horse, why does the reparations movement march on?
On a simple level, it is about the alluring possibility of a bonanza payday for some of the lawyers involved. And there are still people who think they might get a check for thousands of dollars if some company somewhere issues a reparation check. The IRS is dealing with increasing numbers of people who have been duped into believing that they can claim a "Slavery Rebate" on their tax forms. (Last year, 80,000 people made that claim.)
But greed aside, the reparations movement is also evidence of the growing strength of black America. Some of the best-educated, most affluent black people in world history are properly flexing their political muscles. Randall Robinson, the author of a best-selling book calling for reparations, has told interviewers that the key issue is that black people have "decided for ourselves that they are our due."
In a diverse nation, the demands of a strong and vocal black community cannot be ignored. No matter how far-fetched the legal claim may be, there will be press conferences and college conferences to review the horrors of slavery. The devastation that slavery visited on black people is beyond debate and so is the history of exploitation of former slaves once they were set free without compensation for their labor.
But that sound argument is now being contorted into claims that black America is still feeling the impact of slavery. That stretch is necessary for the lawyers behind the reparations movement to support the idea that there are victims of slavery alive to serve as plaintiffs in a lawsuit. But while racist attitudes persist, it's hard to make the case that slavery is the issue when black Americans are enjoying record levels of educational attainment and income.
One intriguing way to look at reparations is as an effort by the rising black middle class to take control of the massive budgets dedicated to social-welfare policy. In the current lawsuits the money from reparations is designated for a treasury that would be controlled by a black elite and used as they see fit to improve life in black America. What is now national policy for dealing with black poverty would become a matter of a black nationalist agenda.
That is as sure a road to racial separatism as you can get. Scandals are sure to follow as money goes to black entrepreneurs who may be friends of the people handing out the money. And, inevitably, some black nationalists will complain that those controlling the money are addressing the wrong needs. Even without infighting and scandals it is obscene to think of this modern generation of black Americans profiting from the blood money drawn nearly 140 years ago from the exploitation of slaves.
Self-Indulgent Hysteria
There is nothing wrong with a fantasy about every black person getting a check for all that black people have gone through. But too much time spent in fantasy land is wasted time. If this reparations movement goes on much longer, history will view it as self-indulgent hysteria by people intoxicated by their rising power. The passion that currently goes for reparations would better be spent in other areas, such as confronting teachers' unions, civil-rights leaders and everyone else involved in our failure to educate minority kids.
Reparations are a dangerous, even evil, idea because they contradict the moral authority of black America's claim to equal rights. Pushing them through would only hurt race relations by encouraging negative stereotypes about blacks at a time when the nation is more diverse and the need for inter-racial understanding is at its greatest.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1018316713860646240
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JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
Imagine this article being written by someone white. There would be OUTRAGE from the "black" community. They know this tho, so what they do is get some blackfaced MONKEY N1GGER to put the article out in his name to attempt to confuse the people.Article written on the issue by this c00n
By
Juan WilliamsJuan Williams
Updated April 9, 2002 12:01 a.m. ET
Once upon a time, the black reparations movement amounted to 40 acres and a mule for ex-slaves. Now that legendary but long discarded idea has been transformed into lawsuits against several American companies that allegedly profited more than a century ago from the always immoral but once legal trade in slaves. The legitimate offer to help emancipated slaves get a start in life as free men has now been twisted into a strange scheme to squeeze money out of any company with distant ties to the bitter business of slavery.
The real news here is that lawyers and academics behind this effort have apparently given up trying to get the U.S. government to pay reparations for slavery. The statute of limitations has long since expired on any direct claim of reparations for former slaves. And the slaves are long dead. So are the slave owners. Even a federal court dominated by liberal judges has ruled that there is no jurisdiction to hear a reparations case against the federal government. So now the faltering legal spotlight has shifted to pressuring private companies.
Racial Resentment
The consequences of this misguided adventure in racial politics has not changed. Whether government or industry foots the bill, any payment of reparations will spark waves of racial resentment. Charges of extortion will be made against black people as a whole, not only by whites but also by Hispanics and Asians, and especially by the large number of recent immigrants scrambling to make it on their own.
If reparations become a reality, black Americans already battling presumptions of inferiority (they are less hard working, less intelligent and less patriotic, according to whites questioned by pollsters) will also bear the weight of being demeaned as less able than any Mexican immigrant or Bosnian refugee. The newcomers, after all, are not asking for reparations -- they only want a chance to make it in America. The result will be a further segregation of low-income black people from the mainstream.
On a political level, the cost of reparations may be even higher. Reparations will mean an end to the moral responsibility that all Americans, especially white Americans, have for the history of slavery, legal segregation and the ongoing racism in our national life. That white guilt opens the door to the idea of national obligation to repair the damage of racism. Once the first reparations check is written, that moral responsibility will disappear and the door will shut on all claims for affirmative action in private industry, government and academia. It may also bring a collapse of the already tenuous support for social-welfare programs that are key to repairing the horrors of public schools in big cities, high rates of poverty among children, and jails overflowing with young black men.
Democrats as well as Republicans have rejected efforts to raise the reparations issue in Congress for a dozen years and polls show that nearly 70% of whites stand in opposition to even an apology for slavery. The minute any company starts writing reparations checks all the collective white guilt that fuels support for social policy to help poor black people will be exhausted. The debt will be paid and forgotten.
Given the devastating consequences contained in this Trojan Horse, why does the reparations movement march on?
On a simple level, it is about the alluring possibility of a bonanza payday for some of the lawyers involved. And there are still people who think they might get a check for thousands of dollars if some company somewhere issues a reparation check. The IRS is dealing with increasing numbers of people who have been duped into believing that they can claim a "Slavery Rebate" on their tax forms. (Last year, 80,000 people made that claim.)
But greed aside, the reparations movement is also evidence of the growing strength of black America. Some of the best-educated, most affluent black people in world history are properly flexing their political muscles. Randall Robinson, the author of a best-selling book calling for reparations, has told interviewers that the key issue is that black people have "decided for ourselves that they are our due."
In a diverse nation, the demands of a strong and vocal black community cannot be ignored. No matter how far-fetched the legal claim may be, there will be press conferences and college conferences to review the horrors of slavery. The devastation that slavery visited on black people is beyond debate and so is the history of exploitation of former slaves once they were set free without compensation for their labor.
But that sound argument is now being contorted into claims that black America is still feeling the impact of slavery. That stretch is necessary for the lawyers behind the reparations movement to support the idea that there are victims of slavery alive to serve as plaintiffs in a lawsuit. But while racist attitudes persist, it's hard to make the case that slavery is the issue when black Americans are enjoying record levels of educational attainment and income.
One intriguing way to look at reparations is as an effort by the rising black middle class to take control of the massive budgets dedicated to social-welfare policy. In the current lawsuits the money from reparations is designated for a treasury that would be controlled by a black elite and used as they see fit to improve life in black America. What is now national policy for dealing with black poverty would become a matter of a black nationalist agenda.
That is as sure a road to racial separatism as you can get. Scandals are sure to follow as money goes to black entrepreneurs who may be friends of the people handing out the money. And, inevitably, some black nationalists will complain that those controlling the money are addressing the wrong needs. Even without infighting and scandals it is obscene to think of this modern generation of black Americans profiting from the blood money drawn nearly 140 years ago from the exploitation of slaves.
Self-Indulgent Hysteria
There is nothing wrong with a fantasy about every black person getting a check for all that black people have gone through. But too much time spent in fantasy land is wasted time. If this reparations movement goes on much longer, history will view it as self-indulgent hysteria by people intoxicated by their rising power. The passion that currently goes for reparations would better be spent in other areas, such as confronting teachers' unions, civil-rights leaders and everyone else involved in our failure to educate minority kids.
Reparations are a dangerous, even evil, idea because they contradict the moral authority of black America's claim to equal rights. Pushing them through would only hurt race relations by encouraging negative stereotypes about blacks at a time when the nation is more diverse and the need for inter-racial understanding is at its greatest.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1018316713860646240
So instead of outright indignation at the ridiculousness of what is said and a clear understanding of why..........they confuse the masses by letting one of their WELL TRAINED MONKEY do their bidding for them and then they simply provide a podium for the opinion to be aired.
has the usa govt itself destroyed records? even if they did, have they admitted guilt or apologized for destroying records?
And even if you ended up being right on everything, under your logic, even white people could claim reperations as long as there is an ounce of blackness in their DNA. In other words, a part of the current white population would get reparations. Plus the country goes bankrupt and you still end up not getting anything. and who would you count on to make sure you get paid? the oppressor appoints the judges, controls the police and army, controls the FED, etc. In other words this is logistically very improbable.
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
Judge says No to Slavery Reparations
Descendants of U.S. slaves will not be receiving reparation checks any time soon. A federal judge served a blow to the modern slavery reparations movement by tossing out a lawsuit on Wednesday that asked corporations that reaped profits from slave labor to pay up. In a 104-page opinion, U.S. District Judge Charles R. Norgle said slavery has caused "tremendous suffering and ineliminable scars," but an attempt by slave descendants to seek reparations "more than a century after the end of the Civil War and the formal abolition of slavery fails."
"It is undisputed that Congress has taken the initiative to deal with issues arising from the slave trade in the decades after the Civil War. Congress has considered and rejected Representative Conyers' calls for the establishment of a commission to study the effects of slavery. . . . This district court will therefore not substitute its judgment for that of Congress on the matter of slave reparations."
Judge Norgle wrote that the plaintiffs in the case had to prove they were personally injured by slavery, adding that a genealogical tie to slaves is not enough to show that injury. He also ruled the lawsuit was brought too late and, citing long-standing legal doctrine, Norgle argued that a decision over reparations isn't proper for the courts. It's an issue that should be decided by the president or Congress, he said.
Norgle said the plaintiffs failed to show that they had experienced any "concrete and particular" suffering that wasn't true of African Americans in general. He also said those suing failed to allege any conduct by the 17 defendants that personally affected any of the plaintiffs.
Conrad Worrill, chairman of the National Black United Front, denounced the ruling as the product of "conservative, right-wing, judicial, political decision-making." He scoffed at Norgle's contention that plaintiffs had not proved personal injury from slavery.
"Judge Norgle is just a liar; he is exercising his political ideology," Worrill said. "We did prove it. It is a question of whose eyes are interpreting the facts. His eyes are the eyes of a racist."
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/07/judge_says_no_t.html
Descendants of U.S. slaves will not be receiving reparation checks any time soon. A federal judge served a blow to the modern slavery reparations movement by tossing out a lawsuit on Wednesday that asked corporations that reaped profits from slave labor to pay up. In a 104-page opinion, U.S. District Judge Charles R. Norgle said slavery has caused "tremendous suffering and ineliminable scars," but an attempt by slave descendants to seek reparations "more than a century after the end of the Civil War and the formal abolition of slavery fails."
"It is undisputed that Congress has taken the initiative to deal with issues arising from the slave trade in the decades after the Civil War. Congress has considered and rejected Representative Conyers' calls for the establishment of a commission to study the effects of slavery. . . . This district court will therefore not substitute its judgment for that of Congress on the matter of slave reparations."
Judge Norgle wrote that the plaintiffs in the case had to prove they were personally injured by slavery, adding that a genealogical tie to slaves is not enough to show that injury. He also ruled the lawsuit was brought too late and, citing long-standing legal doctrine, Norgle argued that a decision over reparations isn't proper for the courts. It's an issue that should be decided by the president or Congress, he said.
Norgle said the plaintiffs failed to show that they had experienced any "concrete and particular" suffering that wasn't true of African Americans in general. He also said those suing failed to allege any conduct by the 17 defendants that personally affected any of the plaintiffs.
Conrad Worrill, chairman of the National Black United Front, denounced the ruling as the product of "conservative, right-wing, judicial, political decision-making." He scoffed at Norgle's contention that plaintiffs had not proved personal injury from slavery.
"Judge Norgle is just a liar; he is exercising his political ideology," Worrill said. "We did prove it. It is a question of whose eyes are interpreting the facts. His eyes are the eyes of a racist."
http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2005/07/judge_says_no_t.html
JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
Is your point that justice should not be served because the GUILTY PARTY can not afford to pay?
where did i say that it should or shouldn't be served? Not once did i speak on what should or shouldn't happen.
my points were:
-USA probably hasn't admitted guilt for destroying records which means the burden of proof is still on the plaintiff
-even if they did admit it, white people who have traces of black in their DNA could still ironically claim a reparations cheque
-even if you get the W in court, chances are you will never see that money (again, not saying this is reason not to get the W). Put it to you this way, even if by some chance, the govt doesn't declare martial law before this, you may get it but the paper used for the cheque will end up being worth more than the actual money when it's all said and done...
havoc
Superstar
It is impossible to get reparation for slavery because it will be difficult to trace an ancestor of slavery. Many descendant do not have any trace of their lineage. However, there are a lot of black americans can track their ascendant who were victims of lynching. Reparation for family of wrongfully lynched victims is probable; black americans can make an attempt to sue the state or the federal goveral government if they have evidence of relations to lynched victims who were hanged by racist white mob.
The descendants of the victims of Rosewood's massacre were compensated by the state of Florida. Evidently, they are one of the few blacks who have received reparation from the government. Therefore, it is never too late to be compensated. You dudes need to stop complaining and take action if you are related to an an ascendants who were killed by racist savages.
The descendants of the victims of Rosewood's massacre were compensated by the state of Florida. Evidently, they are one of the few blacks who have received reparation from the government. Therefore, it is never too late to be compensated. You dudes need to stop complaining and take action if you are related to an an ascendants who were killed by racist savages.
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JasonSJackson
Jah Sun Ma'at Ra
You implied it.
And if you would have read the thread before you posted you would have seen the U.S. apology cited and posted.
Your 2nd point is foolishnes and your third point is cowardice.
Read the thread before you ask me anymore questions