$1.6 billion reparations paid by U.S. government

[Wild self]

I've addressed each of the issues you've brought up in the thread already, please at least read through it before you just throw out a comment speaking against it.

Still, what about the Jamaican immigrants that never hand slave ancestors in America? The native Nigerian, Ghanian, and Ethiopian immigrants that came in this country these last 40 years? That would be fukked up if they see their black American counterparts get crazy money and they still have to work just because they never had slave ancestors in America.

Its too complicated and the best solution is for them to give us free (private) land in well-off areas and for them to have free businesses and free education. Better for that to BUILD wealth than just a huge cash payout that will cripple the economy.

 

[TooLazyToMakeUp1]

Both were fukked up but were the Japanese getting gassed to death?

Wasn't the point really. You're an American citizen and they just jack you and your fam up, take your shyt and throw you in a camp like a dog

They keep laying claim to a country that everyone had a hand in building and they think they're the only Americas

 

[Wild self]

if cacs cut us all a 700k check, tax free. nikkas would buy cars, jewels, just meaninless bullshyt. w/proper educating, whites would get most of it back overnight. then nikkas would REALLY be in a fukked up spot.

Exactly. Some black folk still don't have their mind right with handling money. Only extensive education and financial discipline can make us prosper AFTER reparations are paid off. A mentality of "Cash, cars, and hoes" will make us broke again. Give us reparations in the form of businesses and great private housing and free education, not just a pile of money to enhance fukkery.

 

[JasonSJackson]

Still, what about the Jamaican immigrants that never hand slave ancestors in America? The native Nigerian, Ghanian, and Ethiopian immigrants that came in this country these last 40 years? That would be fukked up if they see their black American counterparts get crazy money and they still have to work just because they never had slave ancestors in America.

These aren't checks on the basis that we are "black americans" these are checks for the WORK we put in in this country that we were never paid for

 

[Wild self]

this thread is full of nikkas with a very tenuous grasp on reality or basic law


reparations would be great for descendants of slaves, but comparing it to the japanese american reparations is fukking retarded...slavemasters weren't exactly keen on keeping record books of slaves and their families; i sincerely doubt anyone in this thread could even name a slave relative of theirs, and that would just be scratching the surface of what you would need to properly put a case together for some type of reimbursement

the government is not going to just shell out trillions of dollars for every black person who claims to have slave ancestors the same way they didn't just give every japanese american $20,000 to fukk off with...they had to be able to prove with certainty that they were either at the internment camps, or a relative of someone who was

can any of you prove with certainty that your family members were specific slaves at specific periods of time in specific areas of america? at best, you would have to pursue it on an individual basis, researching your lineage and possibly filing a civil suit with the cac descendants of the slavemasters that had your ancestors as slaves...good luck with that

"reparations", as they are being discussed here, are a pipe dream, and the reason those lawyers and attorneys stopped pursuing it wasn't because of Cochran dying, it was because sooner or later they had to realize it was impossible

WOW, never expected that form you. Many people here don't even have the logic or a long-term gameplan to do anything, but wait for some white man to pay thing out in cash.

 

[Wild self]

These aren't checks on the basis that we are "black americans" these are checks for the WORK we put in in this country that we were never paid for

So what about those black immigrants? You gonna leave them out in the cold?

The form of cash payouts will be disastrous for everyone, for us black folks and the American economy. A lot of people still lack financial discipline to build wealth if a payout was to occur. Best in for the form of assets and the form of free education can help us build.

 

[Wild self]

your analogy is a little flawed breh

if you worked for a company, and can prove you worked for that company as well as prove that company owes you money, you have every legal right to pursue the unpaid dues

even if you have a family member or ancestor in the same situation, as long as you can prove that company owes/owed money to that family member or ancestor, you can still pursue it legally....but here is where it starts to break down

for the vast majority of african americans, they cannot directly trace their lineages to specific slaves like you can, for one reason or another (africans being treated as items instead of people, intentional fabrication and destruction of records, relocation, miseducation etc)...so it quickly becomes a matter of burden of proof in the legal sense, and you can guarantee the government is gonna wanna see the receipts on any black person wanting reparations for their slave ancestors


of course it's easy for us to assume on a base rational level that african americans are byproducts of slavery, and for the most part that's correct and an ethical enough reason to deserve reparations, but you have to factor in the legality and logistics of it all....you also have other factors, like african americans that did not descend from slaves or immigrated to america on their own volition (if they sendin out checks i want one too god dammit )...do you think those african americans deserve reparations as well? or just the ones that directly descend from slaves?



the idea that the government would just skimp over the details and start givin checks to black folks just for being black and maybe being a descendant of a slave is much more idealistic than realistic

if anything, they would set the record department on fire before they crack open the books to figure out which black folks get reparations and which don't

He doesn't even talk about assets like private housing or owning businesses. He wants cash more than anything. Sounds like financial discipline is not at work.

 

[JasonSJackson]

So what about those black immigrants? You gonna leave them out in the cold?

The form of cash payouts will be disastrous for everyone, for us black folks and the American economy. A lot of people still lack financial discipline to build wealth if a payout was to occur. Best in for the form of assets and the form of free education can help us build.

I dont give a damn if the streets are filled with ferraris like grand theft auto when all that glitch money was floating around, they owe us the money and are DIRECTLY to blame for the mindstates of the people that could possiably implode the economy by spending their large PAY CHECKS in it....that is the risk they will just have to take. I'm not a child and you will not pay me like a child. fukk AN ALLOWANCE. You give me my money like a man and i will spend MY MONEY as i see fit.

The first question you asked shows that you have no CLUE what the reparation checks are truly for. When the jews got their REPARATIONS checks do you think it unfair that other EUROPEANS who just so happened not to be jews but were their fellow countrymen didn't get one too?

THINK before you post.

 

[Wild self]

I dont give a damn if the streets are filled with ferraris like grand theft auto when all that glitch money was floating around, they owe us the money and are DIRECTLY to blame for the mindstates of the people that could possiably implode the economy by spending their large PAY CHECKS in it....that is the risk they will just have to take. I'm not a child and you will not pay me like a child. fukk AN ALLOWANCE. You give me my money like a man and i will spend MY MONEY as i see fit.

The first question you asked shows that you have no CLUE what the reparation checks are truly for. When the jews got their REPARATIONS checks do you think it unfair that other EUROPEANS who just so happened not to be jews didn't get one too?

THINK before you post.

Nah, I rather have a business that can provide me fish for a lifetime...than just someone that will give me fish, if you get my drift. Just a one time cash payout will have us looking all dumb and disrespectful to our ancestors who's legacy is worth more than cash. I want TRUE prosperity in the form of free education, free businesses, and free land where we can build our cities in harmony. Other racial groups already practiced financial discipline (housing, businesses) before reparations were given to them. We, on the other hand, need more financial education that we have to practice.

You just want one large cash payout just cause you want to drive ferraris like GTA (you OWN words ) and to ball out in front of white folks at the expense of putting money back in THEIR pockets and mocking your ancestors. That is stupidity.

 

[JasonSJackson]

Nah, I rather have a business that can provide me fish for a lifetime...than just someone that will give me fish, if you get my drift. Just a one time cash payout will have us looking all dumb and disrespectful to our ancestors who's legacy is worth more than cash. I want TRUE prosperity in the form of free education, free businesses, and free land where we can build our cities in harmony. Other racial groups already practiced financial discipline (housing, businesses) before reparations were given to them. We, on the other hand, need more financial education that we have to practice.

You just want one large cash payout just cause you want to drive ferraris like GTA (you OWN words ) and to ball out in front of white folks at the expense of putting money back in THEIR pockets and mocking your ancestors. That is stupidity.

So you want a nikka to SPOON FEED you cause you too dumb and lack enough discpline to do all those things on your own?

"No mr white man.....i dont wants to pay fo my schooling myself. You do it fo me pweeeease.......I's know u got my best intrest at heart.

NO NO mr white man..........I dont want to start my own buisness myself.....you give me one to start and I's Knows it gon be sucessful.

Now mr white man....I know's you's offering plenty with that reparations check.......LAWD KNOWS YOU ARE.....but would you please be so kind as to give me some nice fertile land instead of giving me the check, setting some type of law that makes sure i have a purchasing power advantage when buying tracts of land and doing it fo myself. You know my n1gg3r brain aint smart enough fo that yet.

I's sho dat once you do deez tangs everything we will be guuud and perfect."

fukk outta here you child ass nikka.

And that second paragraph either shows that you have poor comprehension skills or that you are using Devil tactics in your dialogue with me, which is it? Cause if it's the latter this will be the last response you will ever receive from me.

 

[Wild self]

So you want a nikka to SPOON FEED you cause you too dumb and lack enough discpline to do all those things on your own?

"No mr white man.....i dont wants to pay fo my schooling myself. You do it fo me pweeeease.......I's know u got my best intrest at heart.

NO NO mr white man..........I dont want to start my own buisness myself.....you give me one to start and I's Knows it gon be sucessful.

Now mr white man....I know's you's offering plenty with that reparations check.......LAWD KNOWS YOU ARE.....but would you please be so kind as to give me some nice fertile land instead of giving me the check, setting some type of law that makes sure i have a purchasing power advantage when buying tracts of land and doing it fo myself. You know my n1gg3r brain aint smart enough fo that yet.

I's sho dat once you do deez tangs everything we will be guuud and perfect."

fukk outta here you child ass nikka.

And that second paragraph either shows that you have poor comprehension skills or that you are using Devil tactics in your dialogue with me, which is it? Cause if it's the latter this will be the last response you will ever receive from me.

The second paragraph, that is neither of "devil tactics" or poor comprehension, a large cash payout without financial discipline will still make you broke. Ask them lottery winners and the old money inherent people when they spend money without a plan for prosperity. They (go back to) being broke. Better off having assets that you can pass down to from one generation to another, than just one cash payout that will make most people broke in a few years (if they lack financial knowledge).

If you disagree with my stance, does not mean that I am some "double agent" or some white man, its called having a "philosophy" and insight. Go on with your immature bickering and name calling like a 10 year old bigot.

 

[JasonSJackson]

Read this "APOLOGY" this country issued to the people of Hawaii for overthrowing their government

UNITED STATES PUBLIC LAW 103-150
103d Congress Joint Resolution 19
Nov. 23, 1993
To acknowledge the 100th anniversary of the January 17, 1893 overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, and to offer an apology to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii.

Whereas, prior to the arrival of the first Europeans in 1778, the Native Hawaiian people lived in a highly organized, self-sufficient, subsistent social system based on communal land tenure with a sophisticated language, culture, and religion;

Whereas, a unified monarchical government of the Hawaiian Islands was established in 1810 under Kamehameha I, the first King of Hawaii;

Whereas, from 1826 until 1893, the United States recognized the independence of the Kingdom of Hawaii, extended full and complete diplomatic recognition to the Hawaiian Government, and entered into treaties and conventions with the Hawaiian monarchs to govern commerce and navigation in 1826, 1842, 1849, 1875, and 1887;

Whereas, the Congregational Church (now known as the United Church of Christ), through its American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions, sponsored and sent more than 100 missionaries to the Kingdom of Hawaii between 1820 and 1850;

Whereas, on January 14, 1893, John L. Stevens (hereafter referred to in this Resolution as the "United States Minister"), the United States Minister assigned to the sovereign and independent Kingdom of Hawaii conspired with a small group of non-Hawaiian residents of the Kingdom of Hawaii, including citizens of the United States, to overthrow the indigenous and lawful Government of Hawaii;

Whereas, in pursuance of the conspiracy to overthrow the Government of Hawaii, the United States Minister and the naval representatives of the United States caused armed naval forces of the United States to invade the sovereign Hawaiian nation on January 16, 1893, and to position themselves near the Hawaiian Government buildings and the Iolani Palace to intimidate Queen Liliuokalani and her Government;

Whereas, on the afternoon of January 17,1893, a Committee of Safety that represented the American and European sugar planters, descendants of missionaries, and financiers deposed the Hawaiian monarchy and proclaimed the establishment of a Provisional Government;

Whereas, the United States Minister thereupon extended diplomatic recognition to the Provisional Government that was formed by the conspirators without the consent of the Native Hawaiian people or the lawful Government of Hawaii and in violation of treaties between the two nations and of international law;

Whereas, soon thereafter, when informed of the risk of bloodshed with resistance, Queen Liliuokalani issued the following statement yielding her authority to the United States Government rather than to the Provisional Government:
"I Liliuokalani, by the Grace of God and under the Constitution of the Hawaiian Kingdom, Queen, do hereby solemnly protest against any and all acts done against myself and the Constitutional Government of the Hawaiian Kingdom by certain persons claiming to have established a Provisional Government of and for this Kingdom.
"That I yield to the superior force of the United States of America whose Minister Plenipotentiary, His Excellency John L. Stevens, has caused United States troops to be landed a Honolulu and declared that he would support the Provisional Government.
"Now to avoid any collision of armed forces, and perhaps the loss of life, I do this under protest and impelled by said force yield my authority until such time as the Government of the United States shall, upon facts being presented to it, undo the action of its representatives and reinstate me in the authority which I claim as the Constitutional Sovereign of the Hawaiian Islands.".
Done at Honolulu this 17th day of January, A.D. 1893.;

Whereas, without the active support and intervention by the United States diplomatic and military representatives, the insurrection against the Government of Queen Liliuokalani would have failed for lack of popular support and insufficient arms;

Whereas, on February 1, 1893, the United States Minister raised the American flag and proclaimed Hawaii to be a protectorate of the United States;

Whereas, the report of a Presidentially established investigation conducted by former Congressman James Blount into the events surrounding the insurrection and overthrow of January 17, 1893, concluded that the United States diplomatic and military representatives had abused their authority and were responsible for the change in government;

Whereas, as a result of this investigation, the United States Minister to Hawaii was recalled from his diplomatic post and the military commander of the United States armed forces stationed in Hawaii was disciplined and forced to resign his commission;

Whereas, in a message to Congress on December 18, 1893, President Grover Cleveland reported fully and accurately on the illegal acts of the conspirators, described such acts as an "act of war, committed with the participation of a diplomatic representative of the United States and without authority of Congress", and acknowledged that by such acts the government of a peaceful and friendly people was overthrown;

Whereas, President Cleveland further concluded that a "substantial wrong has thus been done which a due regard for our national character as well as the rights of the injured people requires we should endeavor to repair" and called for the restoration of the Hawaiian monarchy;

Whereas, the Provisional Government protested President Cleveland's call for the restoration of the monarchy and continued to hold state power and pursue annexation to the United States;

Whereas, the Provisional Government successfully lobbied the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate (hereafter referred to in this Resolution as the "Committee") to conduct a new investigation into the events surrounding the overthrow of the monarchy;

Whereas, the Committee and its chairman, Senator John Morgan, conducted hearings in Washington, D.C., from December 27,1893, through February 26, 1894, in which members of the Provisional Government justified and condoned the actions of the United States Minister and recommended annexation of Hawaii;

 

[JasonSJackson]

Whereas, although the Provisional Government was able to obscure the role of the United States in the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, it was unable to rally the support from two-thirds of the Senate needed to ratify a treaty of annexation;

Whereas, on July 4, 1894, the Provisional Government declared itself to be the Republic of Hawaii;

Whereas, on January 24, 1895, while imprisoned in Iolani Palace, Queen Liliuokalani was forced by representatives of the Republic of Hawaii to officially abdicate her throne;

Whereas, in the 1896 United States Presidential election, William McKinley replaced Grover Cleveland;

Whereas, on July 7, 1898, as a consequence of the Spanish-American War, President McKinley signed the Newlands Joint Resolution that provided for the annexation of Hawaii;

Whereas, through the Newlands Resolution, the self-declared Republic of Hawaii ceded sovereignty over the Hawaiian Islands to the United States;

Whereas, the Republic of Hawaii also ceded 1,800,000 acres of crown, government and public lands of the Kingdom of Hawaii, without the consent of or compensation to the Native Hawaiian people of Hawaii or their sovereign government;

Whereas, the Congress, through the Newlands Resolution, ratified the cession, annexed Hawaii as part of the United States, and vested title to the lands in Hawaii in the United States;

Whereas, the Newlands Resolution also specified that treaties existing between Hawaii and foreign nations were to immediately cease and be replaced by United States treaties with such nations;

Whereas, the Newlands Resolution effected the transaction between the Republic of Hawaii and the United States Government;

Whereas, the indigenous Hawaiian people never directly relinquished their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people or over their national lands to the United States, either through their monarchy or through a plebiscite or referendum;

Whereas, on April 30, 1900, President McKinley signed the Organic Act that provided a government for the territory of Hawaii and defined the political structure and powers of the newly established Territorial Government and its relationship to the United States;

Whereas, on August 21,1959, Hawaii became the 50th State of the United States;

Whereas, the health and well-being of the Native Hawaiian people is intrinsically tied to their deep feelings and attachment to the land;

Whereas, the long-range economic and social changes in Hawaii over the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries have been devastating to the population and to the health and well-being of the Hawaiian people;

Whereas, the Native Hawaiian people are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territory, and their cultural identity in accordance with their own spiritual and traditional beliefs, customs, practices, language, and social institutions;


Whereas, in order to promote racial harmony and cultural understanding, the Legislature of the State of Hawaii has determined that the year 1993, should serve Hawaii as a year of special reflection on the rights and dignities of the Native Hawaiians in the Hawaiian and the American societies;

Whereas, the Eighteenth General Synod of the United Church of Christ in recognition of the denomination's historical complicity in the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1893 directed the Office of the President of the United Church of Christ to offer a public apology to the Native Hawaiian people and to initiate the process of reconciliation between the United Church of Christ and the Native Hawaiians; and

Whereas, it is proper and timely for the Congress on the occasion of the impending one hundredth anniversary of the event, to acknowledge the historic significance of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, to express its deep regret to the Native Hawaiian people, and to support the reconciliation efforts of the State of Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians;
Now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND APOLOGY.
The Congress -
(1) on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893, acknowledges the historical significance of this event which resulted in the suppression of the inherent sovereignty of the Native Hawaiian people;
(2) recognizes and commends efforts of reconciliation initiated by the State of Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians;
(3) apologizes to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the people of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893 with the participation of agents and citizens of the United States, and the deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination;
(4) expresses its commitment to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, in order to provide a proper foundation for reconciliation between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people; and
(5) urges the President of the United States to also acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii and to support reconciliation efforts between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people.
SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
As used in this Joint Resolution, the term "Native Hawaiians" means any individual who is a descendent of the aboriginal people who, prior to 1778, occupied and exercised sovereignty in the area that now constitutes the State of Hawaii.
SEC. 3. DISCLAIMER.
Nothing in this Joint Resolution is intended to serve as a settlement of any claims against the United States.
Approved November 23, 1993

 

[JasonSJackson]

does not mean that I am some "double agent" or some white man

Classic sign that you are one if not both of these. Did i ever say anything about you being a "double agent" or state that you were some wh1te man? So why would you bring either of these 2 things up.

I've thoroly addressed EACH point you've brought up, there's nothing else for me to say on the issue to you.

Good day.

 

[Wild self]

Classic sign that you are one if not both of these. Did i ever say anything about you being a "double agent" or state that you were some wh1te man? So why would you bring either of these 2 things up.

I've thoroly addressed EACH point you've brought up, there's nothing else for me to say on the issue to you.

Good day.

Well, doesn't change the fact that you can't open your mind to the different outcomes of your actions.