Zoe Saldana: There Is No Such Thing As People Of Color

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Who said anything about making anyone hate you less? She was talking about how she identifies and views herself.
You said it. "Letting people who hate you define you......."

Who said "I don't see race"? She's didn't say that. She's rejecting the present socially-constructed racial hierarchy, which all people of sound mind and soul should. I didn't see her say she doesn't acknowledge racial realities.
You can't reject something that shapes all of our lives whether you reject it or not it's still there. Which is why I said her comments were factually true, yet still misguided.

It seems a bunch of people in this thread are just adding a whole bunch of shyt they want to grind their axe about on to her comments and reading way more into it than what was said.

I expect to see the usual idiots with their "c00n this, c00n that" comments, but I'm surprised to see some of the more intelligent, respectable posters acting like there's some huge problem with her comments. She's talking about her personal experience as a multiracial black woman.

Ginathataintnodamnpuppy was exactly right. No matter how she worded it people were going to attach a bunch of emotional baggage soapbox rant bullshyt to it.
I agree with what your saying here, which is why I said I don't have a problem with what she said.

But it's my opinion that her comments show a little naivety. If for any reason other than the fact that she thought people wouldn't react the way they did in this thread and in other conversation circles.
 

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God doesnt care what race you are. He does care if you're being demonic though so maybe there should only be 2 races. Demons and Friends. :manny: Just my take on it.
 

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Who said "I don't see race"? She's didn't say that. She's rejecting the present socially-constructed racial hierarchy, which all people of sound mind and soul should. I didn't see her say she doesn't acknowledge racial realities.
Bullshyt shyt-mouth. Her exact words were "I literally run away from people that use words like ‘ethnic.’ It’s preposterous! To me there is no such thing as people of color cause in reality people aren’t white. Paper is white. People are pink" That is an implication that she rejects the concept of race. She's acting stupid as if she doesn't even understand the concept of race. She knows good and well that the term "white" has never meant that people classified as such have white skin. She knows good and well what the term "people of color" means in our society. She's a passive aggressive c00n who is trying to disctance herself being classified as black. She's not rejecting the socially constructed racial hierarchy, she dismisses it and acts oblivious to it. That's proven by this comment "I feel like as a race, that’s a minute problem against the problems we face just as women versus men...” She feels as if racism is a minute problem and is more concerned with women vs men problems. She's clearly not acknowledging racial realities. You're a passive aggressive c00n too, so I see why you're :cape:

It seems a bunch of people in this thread are just adding a whole bunch of shyt they want to grind their axe about on to her comments and reading way more into it than what was said.

I expect to see the usual idiots with their "c00n this, c00n that" comments, but I'm surprised to see some of the more intelligent, respectable posters acting like there's some huge problem with her comments. She's talking about her personal experience as a multiracial black woman.

Ginathataintnodamnpuppy was exactly right. No matter how she worded it people were going to attach a bunch of emotional baggage soapbox rant bullshyt to it.
There's no need for anybody to add anything on to her comments just to grind an axe. Saldana's comments speak for themselves and they're worthy of criticism, especially when you take the controversy concerning her playing Nina Simone into account. Nina Simone was a proud black woman who had a clear understanding of race and what it means to be black in this country. Obviously Saldana doesn't fit that description. She downplays race/racism and only sees it as a minute problem. On top of that, she looks nothing like Nina Simone. Her being given that role is actually an example of the racism that she dismisses. There was no way that a dark skinned women closer to the complexion of Nina Simone was going to be chosen for the role because dark skinned women aren't seen as being attractive in our society. Again, she's a passive aggressive c00n who's only perpetuating the staus quo. As long as she's being accepted into white society she's not concerned about the issues concerning race, doesn't even want to be bothered by them.

You can cut that "multiracial" shyt out too. She's a product of Dominican and Puerto Rican parents. Those aren't races. She's clearly a black woman and I don't even understand why someone would be confused about what she is looking at her.
 

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You said it. "Letting people who hate you define you......."

:what: I did not speak to making people who hate you like you more at any point in this thread, neither did she, neither did anyone in this thread that I've seen.

You can't reject something that shapes all of our lives whether you reject it or not it's still there. Which is why I said her comments were factually true, yet still misguided.

I agree with what your saying here, which is why I said I don't have a problem with what she said.

But it's my opinion that her comments show a little naivety. If for any reason other than the fact that she thought people wouldn't react the way they did in this thread and in other conversation circles.
There is no possible way she could've won here the second she opened her mouth to speak about her experience as it pertains to race because were going to hate and read into it, and add a bunch of extra shyt she didn't even say to it regardless. Basically people are just saying she should've just shut up because that's essentially what it boils down to.

People are talking about "she didn't word it properly, or didn't articuate herself properly." Well how would you have her word HER experience? Why don't YOU tell HER how she should feel about herself?

If she downplayed or dismissed racial inequalities, or said something along the lines of black people needing to just get over it, or denied the existence of systemic racism, I'd be right there with everyone else excoriating her. But I didn't see her say any of that.

I heard her speak to the absurdity of racial classifications, and how people try to fit multiracial people into a little box based upon that, and how her reality and identity is more complex than that. And as a multiracial black dude who has gained wisdom and knowledge of self (no 5%er) not just from historical study, but from experiences, similar to those of what she described, growing up being asked "Are you black?...do you consider yourself black?...what race are you?...what's your nationality?...where are you from?" numerous times, I say that anybody trying to tell a multiracial person what sociological "race" cubicle they have to fit themself into can eat a dikk and jump off a bridge.

No matter how she articulated herself, people would catch feelings because there would be a perceived slight to blackness. People are dissecting a truncated revelation of personal experience like it's a fukking Ph.D dissertation on blackness.
 

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Bullshyt shyt-mouth. Her exact words were "I literally run away from people that use words like ‘ethnic.’ It’s preposterous! To me there is no such thing as people of color cause in reality people aren’t white. Paper is white. People are pink" That is an implication that she rejects the concept of race. She's acting stupid as if she doesn't even understand the concept of race. She knows good and well that the term "white" has never meant that people classified as such have white skin. She knows good and well what the term "people of color" means in our society. She's a passive aggressive c00n who is trying to disctance herself being classified as black. She's not rejecting the socially constructed racial hierarchy, she dismisses it and acts oblivious to it. That's proven by this comment "I feel like as a race, that’s a minute problem against the problems we face just as women versus men...” She feels as if racism is a minute problem and is more concerned with women vs men problems. She's clearly not acknowledging racial realities. You're a passive aggressive c00n too, so I see why you're :cape:

There's no need for anybody to add anything on to her comments just to grind an axe. Saldana's comments speak for themselves and they're worthy of criticism, especially when you take the controversy concerning her playing Nina Simone into account. Nina Simone was a proud black woman who had a clear understanding of race and what it means to be black in this country. Obviously Saldana doesn't fit that description. She downplays race/racism and only sees it as a minute problem. On top of that, she looks nothing like Nina Simone. Her being given that role is actually an example of the racism that she dismisses. There was no way that a dark skinned women closer to the complexion of Nina Simone was going to be chosen for the role because dark skinned women aren't seen as being attractive in our society. Again, she's a passive aggressive c00n who's only perpetuating the staus quo. As long as she's being accepted into white society she's not concerned about the issues concerning race, doesn't even want to be bothered by them.

You can cut that "multiracial" shyt out too. She's a product of Dominican and Puerto Rican parents. Those aren't races. She's clearly a black woman and I don't even understand why someone would be confused about what she is looking at her.
I don't respond to your posts unless it's to make fun of you, hoeboy. Stop talking to me. I'll state my case to more intelligent, less miserable posters who are capable of having well-reasoned discussion....thanks.
 

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This thread is historically significant. Never have I seen such a powerful combination of unapologetic pro-black realists and Uncle Tom "race ain't that big of a deal yo" apologists.

shyt is funny to read. Zoe Saldana is a beautiful black woman but a very stupid one who doesn't take much pride in her race. It's written all over her views, who she dates, and the movie roles she took before the Nina Simone biopic.
On nearly every other page in this thread... there are thread closing post.. here is one.

Yet we're still discussing this sh1t.
 

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I don't respond to your posts unless it's to make fun of you, hoeboy. Stop talking to me. I'll state my case to more intelligent, less miserable posters who are capable of having well-reasoned discussion....thanks.
:heh: at you thinking that you could ever "make fun" of me. You're in complete check chump:pachaha:

My post wasn't really for you, I knew that you'd duck it. You're stupid. My post is for the people cosigning your "she didn't say anything wrong she just didn't articulate herself well" bullshyt. She articulated herself quite well, her position is just nonsensical.
 

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:what: I did not speak to making people who hate you like you more at any point in this thread, neither did she, neither did anyone in this thread that I've seen.
Well that's how I interperated your statement. Sorry if I was wrong.

Why would you want to reject someone's defenition of you if you didn't want to change that definition?

There is no possible way she could've won here the second she opened her mouth to speak about her experience as it pertains to race because were going to hate and read into it, and add a bunch of extra shyt she didn't even say to it regardless. Basically people are just saying she should've just shut up because that's essentially what it boils down to.

People are talking about "she didn't word it properly, or didn't articuate herself properly." Well how would you have her word HER experience? Why don't YOU tell HER how she should feel about herself?

If she downplayed or dismissed racial inequalities, or said something along the lines of black people needing to just get over it, or denied the existence of systemic racism, I'd be right there with everyone else excoriating her. But I didn't see her say any of that.

I heard her speak to the absurdity of racial classifications, and how people try to fit multiracial people into a little box based upon that, and how her reality and identity is more complex than that. And as a multiracial black dude who has gained wisdom and knowledge of self (no 5%er) not just from historical study, but from experiences, similar to those of what she described, growing up being asked "Are you black?...do you consider yourself black?...what race are you?...what's your nationality?...where are you from?" numerous times, I say that anybody trying to tell a multiracial person what sociological "race" cubicle they have to fit themself into can eat a dikk and jump off a bridge.

No matter how she articulated herself, people would catch feelings because there would be a perceived slight to blackness. People are dissecting a truncated revelation of personal experience like it's a fukking Ph.D thesis on blackness.
You identify with her story, so it's a given that you would agree with her sentiments. I don't have a bi-racial backround( I do but you can't tell by looking at me. My grandmother is 50% Cherokee and %50 Irish) so I can't begin to understand your experience. All I can say is that to people who haven't had that experience Zoe's word come off a little misguided. We (black people) see you guys as the same as us so it can feel like a betrayal when you try to distance yourself. And I know that's not what she was trying to do, but it does come off that way to a lot of people.
 

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Y'all gone leave my baby Zoe alone doe.

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dont know if this one is posted yet, but here it goes:

Dr. Boyce: President Obama Lacks the Moral Authority to Give His Lopsided Speech at Morehouse | Black Blue Dog

by Dr. Boyce Watkins

This week, President Barack Obama gave the commencement address to the young men at Morehouse College. I was happy to see the president speak to these men, for I’m sure they were inspired by his presence. The achievements of Barack Obama are nothing short of legendary and inspirational, he deserves to be recognized as such. Morehouse College President John Wilson should also be commended for his extraordinary leadership. Dr. Wilson was gracious enough to join the presidents of Spelman and Clark in co-signing the open letter on mass incarceration written by myself and Russell Simmons.

The president’s message consisted of the same themes that I recall hearing from my grandmother: You have to work twice as hard to get half as much if you are black in America, and racism is no excuse for you to give up. I agree with this message, and I share similar messages every single day of my life.

The president’s decision to speak in ways that he knew would resonate with Morehouse men and their older black parents was an intelligent political move, without question. The president’s speeches tend to be more conservative when he speaks to African Americans (I even noticed his use of the word “Lordy” early in the speech), and this is a good fit, since black people are also very conservative. The truth is that many African Americans would be Republicans if the party would just stop being so blatantly racist.

Another thing about black people is that many of us suffer from the low self-esteem that tends to afflict oppressed individuals. We’re not much different from the housewife who believes her husband wouldn’t have had to beat her if she had not burned the cookies. When her husband is out with other women, she is simply thankful that he took the time to pay the rent. She’s ecstatic about any form of acknowledgement from her husband whatsoever, and when he berates her, she knows that she deserves it. To some extent, she comes to embrace her oppression as the natural order of things, and the tranquility of her marriage is built upon the idea that his views, needs and status are superior to her own.

When President Obama graces us with his presence, we are simply honored that he took the time to even acknowledge us.
Any symbolic gesture, no matter how scant and meaningless, becomes precious to us, because for some, there is no greater achievement that any black man could aspire to than to get validation from white people. Had President Obama passed on the presidency and taken a position at an all-black school and educated thousands of black children, we would have considered it to be a wasted opportunity. Why would such an important man spend his time with us? The political harmony between black America and the Obama Administration is a carefully-designed relationship in which our job is to shut up and cheer for anything the administration chooses to do with our votes.

Part of this asymmetric partnership with the Obama Administration is that we are actually HAPPY when the president berates us. We like being told that we don’t try hard enough and that the reason so many of us struggle is because we have come to embrace an inferior set of habits and cultural norms. We ENJOY the abuse, because deep down, many of us have bought into the myth of white superiority as much as white people themselves.

So, when Obama comes to Morehouse and says, “Stop using racism as an excuse and start taking more responsibility,” we LOVE it. We also nod our heads in agreement because for the educated elite, Obama isn’t talking about us. He’s talking about “them.” You know, those n*ggaz who keep getting sent to prison, who can’t get jobs, and who are killing each other in the street. They deserve their plight because they don’t work as hard as the rest of us, at least that’s the logic. It’s easy to grab onto the simple answers: Black men love their kids less than white men do, black women are only capable of raising incompetent children who eat Popeye’s chicken for breakfast, and black people are slightly less human than whites, thus prone to more criminal activity.

But here’s the issue. Telling black Americans to stop using racism as an excuse allows President Obama to create a set of excuses for his own significant, even embarrassing, lack of action to help alleviate the clearly documented, undeniable, legislatively-enforced poison of racial inequality that continues to impact our society. As he tells the Morehouse men to take more responsibility for their own lives, the mirror of personal responsibility should also be turned on the most powerful black man in the history of the world to use his massive platform to help confront systematic racism that affects us all.

The “Super Negro Theory” is a commonly-held belief that if all 40 million black people would simply make straight As, never ever break the law in a minor way, work 80 hours a week and make no mistakes, could overcome any form of racial oppression. “If Colin Powell can rise out of the projects and become head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then you should be able to do the same,” said the successful black man to a class of 2,000 high school kids.

The point here is that black people are the only group of people who are severely punished for being average. If a young black male grows up in a neighborhood where he might get shot everyday on the way to school, the educational system is dilapidated, he is being racially-profiled on every corner and there’s no food in the house, we expect him to be able to rise to extraordinary levels of focus and capability to overcome all of this. Sure, a few kids can be born and raised in the violent chaos of South Central LA and go to Harvard, but statistical theory clearly says that a large percentage of these kids are going to end up dead or in jail. The point is that the “Super Negro” theory may apply to that rare kid who can leap systematic oppression in a single bound, but you can’t expect that same degree of personal power and focus to apply to 40 million people. Unfortunately, some of our kids are going to be average, which for black people, is analogous to being pathetic, lazy, ignorant, trifling and worthless, thus giving white people an excuse to mistreat you and Obama an excuse to ignore you.

The best way to confront racism in America is through POLICY. I can’t tell you how many hard-working, law abiding black doctors, lawyers and professors I meet who are discriminated against in the workplace. Most studies show that when black kids make the same mistakes as white kids, they are more severely punished both in the schools and the courts. There are a pile of studies which show that kids who are traumatized by living in violent neighborhoods with horrible schools and no jobs are far more at risk than those who do not. So, why do we allow any politician to speak as if these issues don’t affect our outcomes?


Similar to the man who tells his wife that she needs to lose a few pounds, she also has the right to ask her husband why he himself is obese. When he sleeps with other women, she can use that as her explanation for why another man was in her husband’s bed while he was at work. The point here is that every single mandate that President Obama is putting on the men at Morehouse College (and those who could not be there) to “man up” and stop making excuses must be applied to a president who has continuously used Republican racism as his excuse for contributing almost nothing to fight the curse of black unemployment, mass incarceration, educational inequality, workplace racism and all the other social ills that we face every single day of the week.

Here’s another memo for the president: You’re not just half black, you’re also half white. So, as you speak to African Americans and tell them to stop using racism as their excuse for a lack of achievement, I encourage you to give similar speeches to your white “brothers and sisters,” telling them the same things. The fact is that the Obama White House has a much more sympathetic ear when whites complain about 7 percent unemployment than it does when black Americans complain about 14% unemployment. This is patently and undeniably unfair, and even the president knows it.

Hence, this lopsided approach to racial inequality does not give Barack Obama the moral authority to come into a room full of black people and talk about what’s wrong with us. Chris Rock, Jesse Jackson, Louis Farrakhan or Harry Belafonte, could make these very same statements and have credibility because they are not afraid to speak the same way to whites. My mother could talk about me like a dog growing up because I knew that after the criticism was over, my mother would go into the world and fight others who sought to do me harm. Black men must openly question whether or not their president is truly willing to go to bat for them as quickly as he’s willing to go out and fight for the gay community. Please don’t get angry with me for stating the facts, we must openly confront the nonsense.

This, folks is racism 101. I’m not sure if the Morehouse Men applauded the message or not, but they also hosted the rapper “2 Chainz,” who had them all reciting the chorus “All I want for my birthday is a big booty hoe.” So, needless to say, these poor brothers are getting a series of mixed messages, but the consistent message is that if a black man has enough power, then any rhetoric, no matter how distorted, is reshaped so that it seems to make sense. But this speech doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.

Alot of SUPER Negroes on the coli:mjpls:
 

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Either she lacks knowledge of self or she does know but refuses to accept the truth.
 

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In 1925 Missisippi, Zoe Saldana would not be able to sit at the same tables as some of her co-stars.

Sorry babe...you're black. There's no tiptoeing around it. Racists and bigots just gotta die, that's all.
 

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she wasnt saying she wasnt black
I know, I'm just saying acting like the whole races thing doesn't exist is silly, which I believe is what she was saying?? That she does'nt see races? That's silly, it's right in front of you.

We should be striving to make racism something that is shameful...that's how we truly defeat it, IMO
 
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