Zion Williamson Bust Watch

[DetroitEWarren]

nikka YOU PUTTING ZION
ABOVE SHAWN KEMP
BEFORE HES EVEN PLAYED A NBA GAME?

KEMP WAS NEVER CONSIDERED A GREAT PLAYER?

YOU NEED TO CALM THE fukk DOWN.



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He was a great finisher and was a solid face up big, Shawn Kemp ain't no NBA great bro , Amare had a much better career than Kemp, are we putting STAT on all time great lists.

Not shyttin on Kemp but in comparison to Zion (especially at the same age) is no comparison. You draft Rookie Shawn Kemp over college Zion it's still no comparison.

 

[Rekkapryde]

@Gil Scott-Heroin like fukk all yall.... Wants all the smoke

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[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

How did this become such a long thread?

 

[DetroitEWarren]

How did this become such a long thread?

fakkit ass Gilbert

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

he’s not Lebron or Jordan though fam, totally different archetype than either of them...not sure we’ve ever saw whatever the hell he is, but at his core he’s very obviously far more interior based than the 23’s...i mean it goes without saying that if he ends up having a consistent legit jump shot he’d be even that much better...

The point of me bringing them up is, both of those players are historically the most athletic, efficient, dominant, and have some of the most extensive inside-scoring skillsets we've seen from players around 6'6"-6'8". I'm using them as a scale because certain folks in here don't believe he needs a jumpshot, and that he's going to do whatever he wants for the rest of his career without one, yet MJ and LeBron would not have had half the dominance they've had without one, yet folks seem to think Zion is different.

but you’re in a Zion Williamson Bust Watch thread basically harping on him essentially not being a flawless perfect player at the age of 19, all the while he’s dominating at pretty much an unprecedented level with his style of play....even if he never develops into a knock down shooter, players don’t need EVERY skill to be great...that’s where team building, complementary players, and coaching come in...it’s just wild you’re in here brow beating folks over what his ceiling might be years down the road as it compares to top 5 players of all time and shyt, while he’s 19 years old a couple months removed from campus scoring over the DPOY with relative ease

Here's the problem: I made one post at the very start of this thread speaking about his ceiling (I didn't say he'd be a bust, or anything of the sort), and in typical Coli fashion, muh'fukkas came at me from every angle trying to take what I said out of context. I'm simply just defending my opinion. I've even been tagged directly from folks in here, so again, I come to defend my position. If I don't defend it, then folks keep perpetuating this nonsense about how I'm disappearing. During and after every preseason game, there's some quote, tag, or indirect shot at me, and I reply to it - if I don't, well, you know how it goes.

I can't win either way; I reply to folks quoting/tagging me and I get criticized for it, and if I don't reply to folks quoting/tagging me, I get criticized too. What's a nikka to do.....

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Dude hit .338% of his 3 point shots in college..did you even play basketball or were you just a fan in the stands?

How the fukk are you just going to bring up his 3-pt% now as evidence, when I've been given you his percentages and volumes throughout nearly every one of our exchanges? First of all, this ".338%" doesn't prove he can shoot - the volume isn't great enough for starters, the college 3-pt line is shorter than NBA regulation, and large portion of those 3-pt shots were uncontested. And most importantly, set 3-pointers aren't the only type of jumpshots.

73% of Zion's shots were at the rim last season
He only took 80 jumpshots in total (71 from behind the arc, and only 9 inside the arc);
Only 18% of his total shots were jumpshots - at a completion rate well below average D1 standard
He only took 38 NBA-standard 3s in total, most of which were uncontested, which he completed at 31%.

Why do I need to keep posting this?

His jumper is there and will get better.

His jumper is NOT there, that's why only 18% of his total shots in college were jumpshots, and he's only made ONE jumpshot in nearly 50 total shot attempts against NBA competition. And I'm not saying that it's going to be like that forever - I'm just speaking about the state as it exists right now.

Anyway let me stop wasting time with someone that said that a generational talent should come off the bench..even 2k wouldn't allow to do that lol

Like I told you and others before, what's the point in quoting me if you're not going to read my posts properly? That's not what I said. I said 6th man would be the ideal spot for him to build confidence in his jumpshot - not that he shouldn't start, or that he isn't talented or capable of starting. The most ideal setting for him to work on his jumpshot would be against second units.

And this is why I wonder why I even keep coming back to this cotdamn board. Nobody wants to have any actual discussions about anything.

 

[Deafheaven]

How the fukk are you just going to bring up his 3-pt% now as evidence, when I've been given you his percentages and volumes throughout nearly every one of our exchanges? First of all, this ".338%" doesn't prove he can shoot - the volume isn't great enough for starters, the college 3-pt line is shorter than NBA regulation, and large portion of those 3-pt shots were uncontested. And most importantly, set 3-pointers aren't the only type of jumpshots.

73% of Zion's shots were at the rim last season
He only took 80 jumpshots in total (71 from behind the arc, and only 9 inside the arc);
Only 18% of his total shots were jumpshots - at a completion rate well below average D1 standard
He only took 38 NBA-standard 3s in total, most of which were uncontested, which he completed at 31%.

Why do I need to keep posting this?

His jumper is NOT there, that's why only 18% of his total shots in college were jumpshots, and he's only made ONE jumpshot in nearly 50 total shot attempts against NBA competition. And I'm not saying that it's going to be like that forever - I'm just speaking about the state as it exists right now.

Like I told you and others before, what's the point in quoting me if you're not going to read my posts properly? That's not what I said. I said 6th man would be the ideal spot for him to build confidence in his jumpshot - not that he shouldn't start, or that he isn't talented or capable of starting. The most ideal setting for him to work on his jumpshot would be against second units.

And this is why I wonder why I even keep coming back to this cotdamn board. Nobody wants to have any actual discussions about anything.

Man not even on no hating shyt but in your 55k posts I've yet to see you ever admit any type of being wrong. That level of narcissism is absolutely legendary, I don't think I've met a human like you in my entire life lmfao. gon head and neg or say you the only right person on this board (that you post 30 essays a day on for years but ya know, were obviously not worth superior intellect or time zzz) and no I'm not about to go back and forth with you so do what you do partner

 

[Cereal_Bowl_Assassin]

Man stop playing the victim fam, you have numerous post outside of this thread talking about his game and limitations....saying he wint be successful at the four and that he should come off the bench..

You cant even say that you're wrong

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Man not even on no hating shyt but in your 55k posts I've yet to see you ever admit any type of being wrong. That level of narcissism is absolutely legendary, I don't think I've met a human like you in my entire life lmfao. gon head and neg or say you the only right person on this board (that you post 30 essays a day on for years but ya know, were obviously not worth superior intellect or time zzz) and no I'm not about to go back and forth with you so do what you do partner

I should have just quoted this

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Man stop playing the victim fam, you have numerous post outside of this thread talking about his game and limitations....saying he wint be successful at the four and that he should come off the bench..

You cant even say that you're wrong

I said he can't play at the 4 full-time, not that he couldn't play at the 4, at all, and I specifically said that:

"6th man will be a great spot for him to start from to build his outside game". I didn't say he wasn't capable of starting, I said that coming off the bench will be best for him to build his outside game, so he can build confidence in his shot. Developing and fine-tuning his jumpshot against second-units is better than doing it against starters. Now, keep in mind, I made that post in November 2018, when we didn't know he'd be drafted to the Pelicans, and that the Pelicans would have a completely different roster.

Quite, obviously, he should start for the Pelicans given the lack of depth they have."

Why are you constantly taking what I post out of context? What's the point? Do you like going in circles like this? He hasn't even played an official NBA game yet, and you seem to think there's something to be wrong about.

What the fukk is wrong with you?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Man not even on no hating shyt but in your 55k posts I've yet to see you ever admit any type of being wrong. That level of narcissism is absolutely legendary, I don't think I've met a human like you in my entire life lmfao. gon head and neg or say you the only right person on this board (that you post 30 essays a day on for years but ya know, were obviously not worth superior intellect or time zzz) and no I'm not about to go back and forth with you so do what you do partner

The problem with you is:

I barely acknowledge you, and yet I see you in nearly every single discussion taking the opposite side to what I'm arguing. When I'm discussing/arguing with another poster, you pop up out of nowhere; I don't even see you posting on this side of the board unless it's a discussion I'm involved in. Care to explain why you have an unhealthy obsession with me? Why are you constantly on my dikk? I've asked you this about 5-6 times already?

You have absolutely no interest in listening to what I'm actually saying, you're only around to see if I'm wrong. I could be arguing that Magic is one of the best PGs to play the game, and you'd take the side of those who said he's not even a top-10 PG - that's the level of mentality you have.

I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, when I'm actually wrong, but like you and many others on this board, it's as if y'all intentionally take what I say out of context, or don't even listen to what I'm trying to say, just because you want me to be wrong, rather than actually looking at it from any objective standpoint.

Take the whole Lowry discussion for instance; look at how many muh'fukkas I took on over the last few years, and look at how it's ended. Now, obviously, just because he won a ring doesn't automatically mean anything of worth, in a vacuum, however, his performance over the entirety of postseason proved all the doubters wrong, and whether they want to admit it or not, none of them even thought he was capable of being one of the main pieces of a championship team. None of them did.

The same thing with the Spurs offense.

They've been many, many, many instances that run parallel to those when folks think I'm wrong. But you don't wanna hear that.

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

This thread might end up being like the “ I told y’all about this Russell Wilson fiasco” thread lmao

 

[Deafheaven]

I aint bout to respond to your University of Arizona ass stab at psycho analyzing me, and sheesh. Do you understand brevity? Can you imagine this clown at social gatherings


Also my pretentious autist. You have almost 60k posts primarily in this section. Its almost an impossibiltiy to not at some point comment in a thread you are in. And I imagine it goes like this for most people since it does for me

"Oh shyt its 20 page thread, must be some good back n forth or comedy in there"

Enters thread

"Oh ita just GSH being a huge pretentious fakkit again"

I post a few sentences. You post a thesis, assuring everyone that yes you really are a huge pretentious fakkit.

 

[duncanthetall]

I aint bout to respond to your University of Arizona ass stab at psycho analyzing me, and sheesh. Do you understand brevity? Can you imagine this clown at social gatherings


Also my pretentious autist. You have almost 60k posts primarily in this section. Its almost an impossibiltiy to not at some point comment in a thread you are in. And I imagine it goes like this for most people since it does for me

"Oh shyt its 20 page thread, must be some good back n forth or comedy in there"

Enters thread

"Oh ita just GSH being a huge pretentious fakkit again"

I post a few sentences. You post a thesis, assuring everyone that yes you really are a huge pretentious fakkit.

This post got me cracking up

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

All that wear and tear at his weight will catch up to him eventually if he doesn't cut down. It will be inevitable.

 

[Morethan1]

nikka everyone on this forum knows he needs to lose weight