Zion Williamson Bust Watch

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A lot of you guys are the same people that hate on Ben Simmons and Giannis :lolbron:


Ben Simmons is not 6'5 285 with a 45 inch vert he's a 6'10 point.

Again, can somebody post 5 player's that's been in the league that was 6'5 285 that had a dope jumper. These said players also have to have a vert in Zion's range.


I'll wait

Do you need the link to basketball reference

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@Gil Scott-Heroin lives in his own world lol...all of that rambling for nothing fam...

Gil: "Zion needs a jump shot"

Coli poster: " he is capable of hitting jump shots look at this"

Gil:
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I can guarantee you that two years from now his jump shot wont be a issue like you're claiming it to be...

Enjoy your day brotha
 
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@Gil Scott-Heroin lives in his own world lol...all of that rambling for nothing fam...

Gil: "Zion needs a jump shot"

Coli poster: " he is capable of hitting jump shots look at this"

Gil:
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I can guarantee you that two years from now his jump shot wont be a issue like you're claiming it to be...

Enjoy your day brotha
But where is this evidence that he has a jumpshot? Where is it? And don't just say you've seen it either. I've given you actual evidence that he doesn't have a jumpshot, so unless you live in another dimension, how can you explain that he does?

Only 18% of his total shots in college were jumpshots - the efficiency of those made-jumpshots were below D1-average (a large amount of them were uncontested)
He's only hit one jumpshot in his four games against NBA competition - out of nearly 50 total shot attempts.


Now can you please explain to me why you think he has a jumpshot?

:jbhmm:

I don't know why you're making this harder than it has to be. It's alright to admit he doesn't have one, the world isn't going to end if you do - many Zion fans in this very thread have admitted he doesn't, so why can't you?
 

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This is why I can't take anything you post seriously; after I debunked every single point of your argument, you crawled away in defeat with this bullshyt:

:picard:

And then you resort to taking passive-aggressive shots at me, over and over, for cheap daps, instead of addressing me directly. And NOW, since your rockbrain was overwhelmed by all the facts that deflated your bullshyt in our previous exchange, you then and go and twist, manipulate and take out of context, more of my posts on the same matter, trying to scavenge whatever dignity you have left to deflect away from how embarrassing I made you look.

You can fool all these other folks, but as long as you know, that I know - well, you know what I'm talking about.

:mjgrin:

Now let's address your bullshyt (again); that you'll once again, either fail to respond to, or type out another indirect shot from afar to save yourself further embarrassment.

:mjlit:

Because at 6'6" and limited dimensions, he's going to need a jump-shot to layer his halfcourt scoring; once teams take away the option of scoring in the paint, he's going to need another means of scoring points. This is basketball 101. You don't survive in this league at his height without one. Now, I know you don't like using your brain, but when I mean survive, I don't mean he's going to be a bust or a role player without a jumpshot, I mean in the context of being a franchise player.

He will not survive as the centerpiece of a team if he doesn't develop a jumpshot.

Re: His position

I don't think he can be a full-time 4 in the league - the ideal spot for him will be to drop weight and play at the 3. Not only for the preservation and longevity of his career, but on offense, his style of play will be more effective at the 3, and on defense, he'll be exposed less. Playing at the 3 will also mitigate some of his conditiong issues that he will undoubtedly have to contend with this season.

Re: Coming off the bench

I specifically said "6th man will be a great spot for him to start from to build his outside game". I didn't say he wasn't capable of starting, I said that coming off the bench will be best for him to build his outside game, so he can build confidence in his shot. Developing and fine-tuning his jumpshot against second-units is better than doing it against starters. Now, keep in mind, I made that post in November 2018, when we didn't know he'd be drafted to the Pelicans, and that the Pelicans would have a completely different roster.

Quite, obviously, he should start for the Pelicans given the lack of depth they have.

This is what leads you to being reactionary over a handful of preseason games - you don't even bother to read properly and you're incapable of taking posts in their right context - all because you let your dikkriding override all reason.

All those posts you quoted are all based around me speaking about his NBA projection, and ad nauseam, his ceiling. Any dumbass muh'fukka can talk about his all-time athleticism, BBIQ, and his human-base, and see that he's going to eat in the paint - but he can't simply eat in the paint, and only in the paint, forever.

I can guarantee you, 1-2 years from now, the discussions around his game will be more in line with what I'm talking about.

The development of his jumpshot has been the heart of my argument from the very start. How the fukk are you going to say it's the "last thing" I'm holding onto, when you can clearly see from my first post in this thread, and previous posts you've dragged up from other threads that my focus is on his jumpshot?

This only further proves to me you aren't willing to listen to any reason because you realize your agenda doesn't hold any weight with me.

What evidence did @DetroitEWarren provide of his jumpshot? During scrimmage? A select few of jumpshots that are cherry-picked from college?

I don't even need to run to stats to prove my point - anybody that has just one functioning eye can see that he doesn't have a jumpshot (as of yet). You run away from the stats I provide because you don't wanna acknowledge reality. I wouldn't expect anything less from a Duke fan.

In college:

73% of Zion's shots were at the rim last season
He only took 80 jumpshots in total (71 from behind the arc, and only 9 inside the arc);
Only 18% of his total shots were jumpshots - at a completion rate well below average D1 standard
He only took 38 NBA-standard 3s in total, most of which were uncontested, which he completed at 31%.


These are his shot charts against NBA competition thus far:

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And against the Knicks in SL, his shot makes/attempts were as follows:

Missed 3-pointer
Missed 20-ft jumpshot (blocked by Knox)
Missed shot near rim (blocked by Robinson)
Dunk (uncontested)
Dunk (uncontested)
Missed shot near rim (blocked by Robinson)
Dunk (uncontested)
Dunk (uncontested)

The only made shots he had were dunks; all other shots he missed (three of which were blocked).

Across four games against NBA competition, he's only attempted seven shots (outside of 5-ft of the rim), and he's only made ONE of them. That's one made jumpshot across nearly 50 total shots.

Now please tell me, how the fukk do you think @DetroitEWarren's evidence holds any weight to what I posted above?

Preach...

nikkaz play a sport for a living and and cant do the most fundamental thing about the sport...
U can get away with that if ur super elite and dominant in another aspect of the sport.
Like rebounding or defense..

But I dont think hes gonna be superior in either 1
 
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Coach: "hey Zion I know you're hitting like 75% of your shots and no ones shown they can guard you off he dribble, but can ya please step back a little youre making it look too easy, shoot a few jumpers okay bud :ld: "
This seems to be the go-to strawman because folks don't wanna address the actual argument. What's the end goal here for you? If you're not willing to understand the point of my argument, what's the point in even posting anything about it, at all?

Of course, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't take shots at the rim when he has the opportunity to do so; shots at the rim are the most efficient shot in basketball, and every team in the league prioritizes them over every other shot. I'm simply putting forth the argument that those [at the rim] opportunities are not always going to be there, and he's going to need to have alternative ways of scoring.

Would LeBron have the legacy he has now if he never had a jumpshot? Would Jordan have the legacy he has now if he never had a jumpshot?
 

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Ben Simmons is not 6'5 285 with a 45 inch vert he's a 6'10 point.

Again, can somebody post 5 player's that's been in the league that was 6'5 285 that had a dope jumper. These said players also have to have a vert in Zion's range.


I'll wait

Do you need the link to basketball reference

:russ:
He 6'6 barefoot, gotta give him that inch. We got the official now
 

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No one wants to talk about it but really, I think Zion over 300 pounds now and still one of the fastest players on the court

That dude isnt 300 :russ: but I think he is every bit of a full 280 shyt fukk it hes damn near 300 thats a big dude....I thought he was leaner he should be better conditioned as the season goes along.

With the way he is producing I don't think he should change much never know he may end up lighter and less productive.
 
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I just don't see 280. He looks like hes 260ish and he will be an outstanding player. Hes efficient, quick and can finish with either hand around the rim. Teams aren't stacked with 7' rim protectors to stop him. He'll score in sets, in transition and on put backs.

18/7/4 on 51% shooting as a rookie
 

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This seems to be the go-to strawman because folks don't wanna address the actual argument. What's the end goal here for you? If you're not willing to understand the point of my argument, what's the point in even posting anything about it, at all?

Of course, I'm not arguing that he shouldn't take shots at the rim when he has the opportunity to do so; shots at the rim are the most efficient shot in basketball, and every team in the league prioritizes them over every other shot. I'm simply putting forth the argument that those [at the rim] opportunities are not always going to be there, and he's going to need to have alternative ways of scoring.

Would LeBron have the legacy he has now if he never had a jumpshot? Would Jordan have the legacy he has now if he never had a jumpshot?
Is this argument only for non post players?
 

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Ben Simmons is not 6'5 285 with a 45 inch vert he's a 6'10 point.

Again, can somebody post 5 player's that's been in the league that was 6'5 285 that had a dope jumper. These said players also have to have a vert in Zion's range.


I'll wait

Do you need the link to basketball reference

:russ:
Sound like the media when speaking on Bron:russ:

He not 285
 
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