Zack Snyder Reveals His Original Plans for 'Justice League'

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This is the same director who is on record saying a conversation between a guy in a batsuit and a red and blue cape should be limited to as little screen time as possible tells you everything you need to know why this universe failed.

He gets 0 marks irrespective of how bad Justice League turned out to be.

 

[Poetical Poltergeist]

BvS was mostly dull and boring but I do like the doomsday battle, that's how you film epic shyt. Marvel ain't match those visuals yet. The Batman warehouse fight was also piff, Snyder delivered big time with those sequences however the batmobile chase scene was pretty weak, Nolan destroyed him there. But the movie was still underwhelming overall because the script was fukkin terrible and Snyder is not a good character director.

Too bad because shyt could've been epic start to finish.

 

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World building isn’t “Marvel formula.” Star Wars, Godfather, Harry Potter, LOTR followed the world building formula. They just weren’t as extensive as Marvel.

Look at how much JL and BVS were shyt on because cats were due to clusterfukks.

BVS DC was 3 hours. You can’t have every movie 3+ hours in this day and age.

I enjoyed MOS, BVS DC and JL. My love for comic books appreciates them, but I understand why people disliked them. Your love of comic books is really blinding you, dude.

How is the world building in DC any different from Star Wars and Godfather?
Most of the complaints about BvS I don't get or doesn't bother me just like with Marvel's output.

Infinity War was damn near 3 hours and noone complained. Endgame is probably gonna to be the same way and noone will complain.

Why can Star Wars and other sci-fi and fantasy movies get to be geeky but comic book superhero movies have to keep it simple as possible for the general audience?

 

[MenacingMonk]

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How is the world building in DC any different from Star Wars and Godfather?
Most of the complaints about BvS I don't get or doesn't bother me just like with Marvel's output.

Infinity War was damn near 3 hours and noone complained. Endgame is probably gonna to be the same way and noone will complain.

Why can Star Wars and other sci-fi and fantasy movies get to be geeky but comic book superhero movies have to keep it simple as possible for the general audience?

You can’t compare DC to Star Wars. DC’s history is decades old and well known, whereas SW wasn’t known. Make one mistake with Flash’s origins and you get complaints. Darth Vader could’ve been Solo’s father and no one complains.

But that’s not the discussion here. You seem to be missing the point. It’s about fleshing out ideas and stories over time. I WRITE, so I know a thing or 2 about building things up.

You CAN’T cram storylines and ideas in a span of 2-3 hours. You have so many characters that need screen time, personality to shine, storylines they need to be a part of.

Endgame has a right to be 3 hours because they spent the time building up the big story.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

BvS was mostly dull and boring but I do like the doomsday battle, that's how you film epic shyt. Marvel ain't match those visuals yet. The Batman warehouse fight was also piff, Snyder delivered big time with those sequences however the batmobile chase scene was pretty weak, Nolan destroyed him there. But the movie was still underwhelming overall because the script was fukkin terrible and Snyder is not a good character director.

Too bad because shyt could've been epic start to finish.

In my view Man of Steel is still the GOAT action sequences in comic movies

Nobody is fukkin with Snyder

 

[AnonymityX1000]

This is the same director who is on record saying a conversation between a guy in a batsuit and a red and blue cape should be limited to as little screen time as possible tells you everything you need to know why this universe failed.

He gets 0 marks irrespective of how bad Justice League turned out to be.

Dude said he wanted to have Batman raped in a movie. He's nuts.
His visuals are great tho. Maybe he should just be a cinematographer?

 

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This shyt messy AF. :WhoaP:

Based on the information disclosed by Snyder, do you think, given the same circumstances, that his vision would have been better than the films we received?

Same family loss but not pushed out & replaced with all the re-writes.

Better than the Whedon cut? Yes, absolutely. I and many others were invested in the story he was building.

 

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You can’t compare DC to Star Wars. DC’s history is decades old and well known, whereas SW wasn’t known. Make one mistake with Flash’s origins and you get complaints. Darth Vader could’ve been Solo’s father and no one complains.

But that’s not the discussion here. You seem to be missing the point. It’s about fleshing out ideas and stories over time. I WRITE, so I know a thing or 2 about building things up.

You CAN’T cram storylines and ideas in a span of 2-3 hours. You have so many characters that need screen time, personality to shine, storylines they need to be a part of.

Endgame has a right to be 3 hours because they spent the time building up the big story.

Breh, you brought up Star Wars

And all comic book movies take liberties. A number of characters and origins in the Marvel flicks don't line up with the comics and noone gets too upset besides neckbeards.


And I think you are missing the fact that the story was being fleshed out before the studios gave Snyder the boot. All of these movies from Man of Steel to Justice League part 2 was Superman/Clark Kent's character arc. All of these movies would've eventually lead to the Superman we saw at the in of Justice League. It's like when you watch episodes 1-3 (along with The Clone Wars) you then get the whole picture of Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Watching them individually it's easily missable but taken at a whole he's fall in Ep 3 and redemption in 6 is more impactful.
Now Snyder didn't get the chance to finish his story but I believe if he got a chance to finish his story it would have the same impact.

I rather see a director put their heart in a project and fail than just do something by-the-numbers to make everyone happy but nothing special.

 

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In my view Man of Steel is still the GOAT action sequences in comic movies

Nobody is fukkin with Snyder

If nothing else WB should get him to shoot the action scenes in the DC films

 

[MenacingMonk]

Breh, you brought up Star Wars

And all comic book movies take liberties. A number of characters and origins in the Marvel flicks don't line up with the comics and noone gets too upset besides neckbeards.


And I think you are missing the fact that the story was being fleshed out before the studios gave Snyder the boot. All of these movies from Man of Steel to Justice League part 2 was Superman/Clark Kent's character arc. All of these movies would've eventually lead to the Superman we saw at the in of Justice League. It's like when you watch episodes 1-3 (along with The Clone Wars) you then get the whole picture of Anakin's fall to the Dark Side. Watching them individually it's easily missable but taken at a whole he's fall in Ep 3 and redemption in 6 is more impactful.
Now Snyder didn't get the chance to finish his story but I believe if he got a chance to finish his story it would have the same impact.

I rather see a director put their heart in a project and fail than just do something by-the-numbers to make everyone happy but nothing special.

I brought up SW for a WORLD BUILDING EXAMPLE. NOT their mythos. I just brought it up because you asked what's the difference.

Yeah, it was being fleshed out... into a fukkin' mess. BVS was the SECOND movie and They basically threw shyt on the wall and continued to do so; with the theatrical cut, at least. The DC was an improvement, but no one really gave a shyt about that.

Just stop. Please.

 

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I brought up SW for a WORLD BUILDING EXAMPLE. NOT their mythos.

Yeah, it was being fleshed out... into a fukkin' mess. BVS was the second movie. If you call that "fleshing out" then you don't know what those words mean.

You can't bring up "what ifs" when the fact is we don't know HOW those movies would've turned out.

Just stop. Please.

Breh thats why I asked what's the difference between the DC's and Star Wars & Godfather's world building then you starting tripping like I brought Star Wars up out the blue.
Calm down, nikka. Your posts come across like you are legit mad when I'm taking it as a friendly debate

But yeah BvS was Clark's second part in he's character arc. I would have to watch the films again to go into more detail but I won't have the time for the next couple of weeks but I'm sure there's some old threads here giving more detail.

You mention that we don't know how the story would've finalized when it was all done but you seem to be believe it would've been bad regardless so I guess we don't have much else to speak about

Snyder's two DC movies were divisive. You are on the side that hate them while I'm on the side that likes them. Neither is right or wrong since it's all a matter of opinion. I think, just like the prequels, they will be seem in a better like many years from now. Hell, I didn't care for the prequels until I watched them again a few years ago.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Breh thats why I asked what's the difference between the DC's and Star Wars & Godfather's world building then you starting tripping like I brought Star Wars up out the blue.
Come down, nikka. Your posts come across like you are legit mad when I'm taking it as a friendly debate

But yeah BvS was Clark's second part in he's character arc. I would have to watch the films again to go into more detail but I won't have the time for the next couple of weeks but I'm sure there's some old threads here giving more detail.

You mention that we don't know how the story would've finalized when it was all done but you seem to be believe it would've been bad regardless so I guess we don't have much else to speak about

Snyder's two DC movies were divisive. You are on the side that hate them while I'm on the side that likes them. Neither is right or wrong since it's all a matter of opinion. I think, just like the prequels, they will be seem in a better like many years from now. Hell, I didn't care for the prequels until I watched them again a few years ago.

I don't know how you think I'm mad by my posts. I'll give you the last one where you think I'm mad. It's just annoying that you can't see how proper world building should be done for comic book movies. With comic books you have to take a decent amount of time to tell a story. You can't rush Superman's heel turn in 3-4 movies. What if the comic book Civil War was only 2 books instead of 7? It would've been a mess. That's why these mini-series are 4-12 issues.

I brought up those sagas because they used world building that you referred to as "Marvel formula." Then you ask the question regarding the difference between DC and SW world building. You can't compare world building in SW to comic books. I only brought up those different examples to show the difference: history known and unknown. Star Wars was fresh and didn't have a history before it was made. Comic books have a long history. With SW, George made shyt up. You can't do that with comic books. I realize I shouldn't have used those 2 different examples; I should have just typed this out. My mind is currently flooded, so my bad if those may have confused you.

I'm not saying those stories would've been bad. I'm just saying after the clusterfukk of BVS and decent JL, you can understand why I'm

And you must not be reading my posts because I never said I hated them. You think I hate them because I'm not on the side of defending a poorly executed film (BVS). Come on, dude.

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

The issue with Snyder is that he uses general fan knowledge as a shortcut to building characters. Evil dictator Superman only works as a shocking event if your Superman is the Boy Scout people generally think of him as. The Superman in MOS becoming a dictators doesn’t seem surprising.

Let’s break down MOS.
We have Superman’s dad telling him to let a bus full of children die to protect his secret. His dad needlessly sacrificing himself to protect his secret. Superman causing billions of dollars of collateral damage in Smallville and Metropolis. Likely killing thousands of people in that collateral damage. Not seeming to give a fukk about the collateral damage. And he breaks Zod’s neck. The neck snap is supposed to be shocking, but in the context of all the death/damage we see, it’s not all that surprising. We have no idea that killing is supposed to be a huge thing for him based on what the movie shows.

I want to look at 2 examples of Supes killing and it’s affect on him. In the mid-80s, he went to a parallel universe and killed Zod and company after they killed everyone on that earth. Subsequent to killing him, Superman developed a split personality and took on a 2nd identity of the Hispanic crime fighter Gangbuster. And then he exiled himself from earth.

Look at injustice. Whole thing starts because the joker provoked him into killing him. And we see his descent into insanity and relationship with Batman erode.


What did we get after MOS? BVS, where in 18 months after he participated in 9/11, the city is building statutes of him. A story where Batman also has no qualms about killing people, but somehow the Joker and Harley are still alive.

 

[David_TheMan]

I hope when ATT finishes taking over WB everyone who heard Snyder's plan and approved it is fired.

 

[QuintessentialMan]

I feel you Zack. After Watchmen you deserved better.....
I do also blame the execs at WB for ultimately being stupid and short sighted.
But the truth is you are a weirdo Zack. MoS was a really cool movie but...... You should have tweeked the BvS story a little bit based on reaction to Mos. Instead you continued with your weirdness and your strange obsession with death and weird dreams. Superman dying so soon? Are you mad? Let us get to know him first weirdo. Doomsday is a Zod Zombie created by lex? Are you mad? Doomsday came randomly from space bruh. Lex is a giggling little dipshyt? ARE YOU MAD? BvS was actually a cool movie even with all that I was feelin it a bit but you stubbornly didnt call an audible after MoS and pissed too many people off...... and once BvS didnt please everybody..... WB panicked and shyt the bed completely by scrapping the original plans and hiring that fool Whedon to deliver a trash ass frankenstein moster of a movie.
No excuse whatsoever for how bad JL was. Joss Whedon is a loser for JL. He came to make things worse. WTF. Im still heated.
Should have let Snyder do his thing and try to redeem himself. All was not lost after Bvs. I didnt lose all hope untill the opening scene of JL ''they can smell fear'' I was like Oh shyt. This is retarded already.