Yvette Carnell (w/ Dr. Tommy Curry) - Straight Black Men are the White Men of Black People? 9/20/17

[Gravity]

Care to quote something less than 4 years old? I've given my views on colorism just a few months ago...no need to dig up old post like views don't evolve with information.[-QUOTE]I didn't put a date filter in the search. I searched "light skin privilege" with your name and those posts came up. If you've said things that contradict the older post then that further illustrates how you flip flop which is a credibility issue.

That said, Biracials have privilege because they have a White parent and family and thus ways to access into White privilege. Has little do with skin tone.

Now you're just flat out lying. You clearly talk about having lighter skin tone being a privilege in the post that I highlighted......and others that I didn't bother posting. The first 2 factors you listed in that post to gauge privilege is phenotype and skin tone. You know that lighter skinned blacks have privilege over darker skinned blacks whether they're fit some bullshyt arbitrary definition of biracial or not. Beyoncé doesn't have a white parent, but she's obviously been privileged for being light skin.

I don't think fixing this gets us the reparations we need or somehow makes African nations get their shyt together to then invest in the diaspora.



Its important in the sense of survival meaning we don't let the wool get pulled over our eyes but being cognizant isn't suddenly going to change our position as an underclass in America.

We could have the healthiest relationships between Black men and women and would still be suffering because of economic apartheid.

This is a straw man. So we shouldn't bother working on overcoming the divide and conquer game because it won't instantly solve all of our problems? We have to start somewhere dude. "I don't think fixing this gon help". Get off that defeatist shyt. You'd be surprised how quickly shot would improve for black people if we got on a real black empowerment code.

 

[#1 pick]

I've followed Roland for years. Met him personally a few times. He's not a c00n. I'll leave it there.

I think he's a soft shoe c00n. I have evidence which convicts him of being that.

 

[Poitier]

This is a straw man. So we shouldn't bother working on overcoming the divide and conquer game because it won't instantly solve all of our problems? We have to start somewhere dude. "I don't think fixing this gon help". Get off that defeatist shyt. You'd be surprised how quickly shot would improve for black people if we got on a real black empowerment code.

Where did I say not to address the issue?

I don't think framing anything as a "privilege" is going to be effective. You are playing into the same sectarian rhetoric Black feminist do by doing so.

After we fix the Black gender schism, what do you think is realistically going to happen next?

I'm all for more kids being born to 2 parent homes with Black fathers as patriarchs/breadwinners and less violence/trauma for Black women but to pretend its going to fix the root issue of economic apartheid is foolish. I hate to say it....but that is up to a few African leaders making smarter moves.

 

[At30wecashout]

I always liked Yevette and Boyce for that matter just hated that they were beefing like some kids.

But I am proud of Yevette cause she is straight to the point and intelligent without all that screaming, profanity and black slurs many of the other hotep pro black folks use on the internet.

Yup, and when I first listened to a video of hers to completion, I was leaning toward her POV cause she shares a lot of the same ideas I do, AND, she QUESTIONS decisions.
There are some people who speak on our issues and to question them is to commit a cardinal sin in the black community. It's like someone saying "you don't ask questions when nike charges you
$200" when its far from the truth. I spend $40-50 on shoes, and would gladly do so with a black business. I ain't paying anyone $200, so if I ask a question, its to understand what we
are doing and where it takes us. She doesn't sell dreams, she posts data, and its there for us to digest. Wanna improve your condition? Look at the data. A lot of talking points I see
thrown around have no basis in reality, and everything to do with someones feelings.

We gotta face reality on subjects, which means some things are flat out grim to talk about. It's not defeatist to look at reality and move accordingly. Every time I see her talk about getting
politically active I am with it the moment it drops. Her content is the truth. No emotion, ALL facts.

 

[#1 pick]

Where did I say not to address the issue?

I don't think framing anything as a "privilege" is going to be effective. You are playing into the same sectarian rhetoric Black feminist do by doing so.

After we fix the Black gender schism, what do you think is realistically going to happen next?

I'm all for more kids being born to 2 parent homes with Black fathers as patriarchs/breadwinners and less violence/trauma for Black women but to pretend its going to fix the root issue of economic apartheid is foolish. I hate to say it....but that is up to a few African leaders making smarter moves.

You can't fix the gender schism until you change the narrative. But more urgent than the gender is addressing Black poverty and lack of resources but that's addressing white supremacy. Honestly, the Black community entered a hyper matriarchal society since 2008. It's over. I think the community is toast.

 

[MajorVitaman]

You can't fix the gender schism until you change the narrative. But more urgent than the gender is addressing Black poverty and lack of resources but that's addressing white supremacy. Honestly, the Black community entered a hyper matriarchal society since 2008. It's over. I think the community is toast.

 

[#1 pick]

Too much needs to happen. Obama literally got the community when we were on our last legs. He shot it from us but when we in such a shock, we couldn't feel it but we feel it now. The data says our ONLY option is either what @Poitier says which is we need help from the AU and African nations or reparations. Nothing else will do. Latinos displaced our working poor and the other minorities displaced our elite 10% Blacks. Everyone got fukked, from the Boule down to Ray Ray and QuoQuoNeisha. The Boule by both conservatives and liberals and the working poor by every damn body. We need an act of God at this point. Anyone saying otherwise is lying. Even Claude Anderson moved from his plan of action to the Freedman's Act. The plan of action was based on the 80's. Not today. Globalization and the generation of millennials from other minorities killed Blacks in the millennials as a collective. At this point, Blacks are like Natives but with no Jelly. We are at mercy. Nothing really can change this in terms of a behavioral change. You can't change those who are in poverty if you don't address poverty collectively. Sadly, a lot more Blacks will be in poverty. The Gen Zers might be the death nail.

Blacks needed Obama to come with a plan of action for Black folks. That needed to be one based on resources exclusively for Blacks, a plan to close down prisons and police forces nationwide. Freedom for all non-violent offenders, them joining a rehab and a job-core program. Large vouchers for former prisoners who get married. An education voucher for minorities youth as well as a forced gov't tuition law to lower the cost of education.

We needed Obama to be a socialist who championing Black issues. We needed that. Even if this was far fetched, this is what we needed. What we got was an ole boot with dirty straps. That has never worked for Blacks in any generation or decade under white supremacy. This is not to say Obama is the only blame but we needed him, Congress and the Senate more than ever. They did not deliver and that was the plan from the beginning.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Cynthia G

 

[DLaren]

I'm receptive to most forms of criticism that gets directed at black men, but comparing the behavior of black men to the oppressive nature of white men is where black feminists lose me as an ally.

The black community had a great summer -- we finally got important people in white-America to begin addressing our concerns with white-supremacy; confederate statues are coming down all over the country and judges, military generals, CEO's, high ranking politicians all spent the last couple of months denouncing white supremacy by name...

...and instead of building on that momentum to further suppress white-supremacy, we have black feminists and their limp-wristed negroes out here creating a new narrative that takes our attention away from white-supremacy and instead pits us against each other.

Black women, I know that you deal with both Racism AND Sexism -- I get it, I really do -- but your men are working on that whole Racism problem right now...and the timing of this Sexism "discussion" couldn't have been worse.

 

[Black Lightning]

 

[Amerikan Melanin]

Has Damon young responded at all? Dude is getting horrible feedback.

 

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

I'm receptive to most forms of criticism that gets directed at black men, but comparing the behavior of black men to the oppressive nature of white men is where black feminists lose me as an ally.

The black community had a great summer -- we finally got important people in white-America to begin addressing our concerns with white-supremacy; confederate statues are coming down all over the country and judges, military generals, CEO's, high ranking politicians all spent the last couple of months denouncing white supremacy by name...

...and instead of building on that momentum to further suppress white-supremacy, we have black feminists and their limp-wristed negroes out here creating a new narrative that takes our attention away from white-supremacy and instead pits us against each other.

Black women, I know that you deal with both Racism AND Sexism -- I get it, I really do -- but your men are working on that whole Racism problem right now...and the timing of this Sexism "discussion" couldn't have been worse.

Stop showing mercy, they look at you as "less than".
Intersectionality is a Joke!
Use the info you have to cut them at the knees, they're doing it to young brehs every day. Stop playing.

 

[Scott Larock]

It's about the money the woke mentality brings unity, married women don't spend shyt compared to single women.

You messing up someone's paper.

Dude is just doing what he's told to keep the paper hustle going.

 

[Wear My Dawg's Hat]

You can't fix the gender schism until you change the narrative. But more urgent than the gender is addressing Black poverty and lack of resources but that's addressing white supremacy. Honestly, the Black community entered a hyper matriarchal society since 2008. It's over. I think the community is toast.

Perhaps we are toast already.

But if we are toast in ways that we weren't even during the 40s/50s/60s active Civil Rights era, it is largely
due to the distorted gender imbalance that places black boys and men trailing black girls and women in every
meaningful life metric.

Do we really expect the black hyper-matriarchy -- in which 60 percent of our families are not headed by two cooperative parents, not by black men, but by a tidal wave of socially overwhelmed single black mothers and grandmothers -- to "address white supremacy"? How?

There is that ending of the film "The Sixth Sense," where Bruce Willis realizes he's been dead all along. I still have hope that we haven't come to that realization as a group in real life.

 

[kayslay]

I wouldn’t cuz black women aren’t a monolith

Neither are black men

I just said that.
Why do you guys keep only quoting half of what I post?