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[storyteller]

I think Kendrick Nunn is a better player than Sexton and will be cheaper in FA. He’ll fit better next to RJ and Randle, and we know he knows how to play on a winning team.



The only thing Sexton got on Nunn is Sexton is a fukking CAA client

Not really

Nunn 25 yrs old, 2 yrs in the NBA, 30 mpg, 15 ppg, 2.6 apg, 3.2 rpg, 1.4 TOpg 48% from the field, 38% from three
Sexton 22 yrs old, 3 yrs in the NBA, 35 mpg, 24 ppg, 4.4 apg, 3.1 rpg, 2.8 TOpg, 47.5% from the field, 37% from three

Sexton is three years younger, has more nba experience, a superior scorer point blank, and the gap in playmaking is debatable. Nunn's a better shooter..everything else is either debatable or flat out to Sexton's advantage.

The only definitive edges for Nunn are he'll be cheaper long term and won't cost us assets to trade for since he's a free agent.

 

[storyteller]

The beauty of trading for Sexton is that you'll see what he plays like surrounded by more talent BEFORE you have to worry about committing to him long term. He's got question marks and red flags, but that's why you have a shot to get him. Finding quality players is difficult and by the time a LaVine or Booker makes a leap from "questionably good because he's on a bad team" to "this guy can be a difference maker on a good team" it's usually too late to get them.

 

[Peter Popoff]

You would have to give up one of either Knox or Toppin, not both. The team might as well be called the NY Cavs if so.

 

[Wargames]

Not really

Nunn 25 yrs old, 2 yrs in the NBA, 30 mpg, 15 ppg, 2.6 apg, 3.2 rpg, 1.4 TOpg 48% from the field, 38% from three
Sexton 22 yrs old, 3 yrs in the NBA, 35 mpg, 24 ppg, 4.4 apg, 3.1 rpg, 2.8 TOpg, 47.5% from the field, 37% from three

Sexton is three years younger, has more nba experience, a superior scorer point blank, and the gap in playmaking is debatable. Nunn's a better shooter..everything else is either debatable or flat out to Sexton's advantage.

The only definitive edges for Nunn are he'll be cheaper long term and won't cost us assets to trade for since he's a free agent.

There are stats and then there are watching these guys play and how they get those stats



vs



Sexton is Brandon Jennings. Jennings was a scoring SG in a PG’s body, not a great defender, and he had a mean streak in him that if you gave him a reason he could drop 50 on you. Jennings had some 6 and 7 assist seasons but he wasn’t a great passer because everyone had to play off of him. His passing was C&S to stationary shooter, passing from the baseline (after defenders surrounded him on bad drives), transition or at the rim to Centers. To put it into perspective it would be level of passing RJ could do.

Keep in mind I am not even saying that isn’t the level of passing the Knicks need, but yeah Sexton plays like Jennings and just like Jennings he might be a little too ball dominant for his own good (aka winning), at the same time he plays his best when he is ball dominant so he needs to be ball dominant to play his best game.

With Nunn you’re getting a guy who knows how to operate in a offense with maybe a 15-20% on ball usage. Sexton is pushing 30% of the teams time on ball to get those higher stats. He’s a sixth man and just like other sixth man teams overpay them thinking they can learn to play within an offense. The Cavs are giving up on that dream and trying to recoup assets.

 

[King Static X]

Kendrick Nunn


Knicks better make that trade for Sexton. Knox, Toppin and a 1st for Sexton is a huge steal.

 

[storyteller]

There are stats and then there are watching these guys play and how they get those stats



vs



Sexton is Brandon Jennings. Jennings was a scoring SG in a PG’s body, not a great defender, and he had a mean streak in him that if you gave him a reason he could drop 50 on you. Jennings had some 6 and 7 assist seasons but he wasn’t a great passer because everyone had to play off of him. His passing was C&S to stationary shooter, passing from the baseline (after defenders surrounded him on bad drives), transition or at the rim to Centers. To put it into perspective it would be level of passing RJ could do.

Keep in mind I am not even saying that isn’t the level of passing the Knicks need, but yeah Sexton plays like Jennings and just like Jennings he might be a little too ball dominant for his own good (aka winning), at the same time he plays his best when he is ball dominant so he needs to be ball dominant to play his best game.

With Nunn you’re getting a guy who knows how to operate in a offense with maybe a 15-20%on ball usage. Sexton is pushing 30% of the teams time on ball to get those higher stats. He’s a sixth man and just like other sixth man teams overpay them thinking they can learn to play within an offense. The Cavs are giving up on that dream and trying to recoup assets.

I like the eye test, but it has limitations. It’s a lot easier to look good and fit into an offense when bam adebayo, goran dragic, and Jimmy Butler are flanking you.

It’s also hard to ignore that Sexton was just fine playing next to Darius Garland who ran the offense. The eye test this season changed some for Sexton at a time when Cleveland was near unwatchable so nobody paid attention.

more importantly, you literally have to throw out every single statistical measure; ignore the 3 yr age gap; and set aside quality of coaching and roster to even make this a debate.

Sexton is the better player. You could argue Nunn is the better fit, but that’s all. CAA bias isn’t the reason someone would conclude he’s better. The numbers, age, draft position (aka scouting out of college) all make that case easy.

Im not even big on Sexton, I don’t typically like undersized scorers. But our biggest need in the postseason was players that could produce for themselves and Sexton excels there even when you compare the clips you posted.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Chris Duarte practice


What would it take to get Duncan Robinson?

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

If we believe in Thibs as a coach then Sexton is not a bad pickup. Julius turned into MIP and an all star under Thibs, so Sexton can at least improve his defense and playmaking with the right guidance.

 

[ISO]

Nunn is mid.

Get Zo and bring back D-Rose.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

If we believe in Thibs as a coach then Sexton is not a bad pickup. Julius turned into MIP and an all star under Thibs, so Sexton can at least improve his defense and playmaking with the right guidance.

You can't coach up 6'1" at the SG spot. Unless the Knicks find a big PG, defense is gonna be an issue in the backcourt.

 

[TOAD99]

In regards to defense and sexton being undersized...

We run RJ at the two anyways. That’s not an undersized backcourt and RJ isn’t horrible defensively

sexton-RJ-Bullock (or Duarte or whatever shooter we get)- Randle and Mitch isn’t bad defensively at all

 

[Wargames]

I like the eye test, but it has limitations. It’s a lot easier to look good and fit into an offense when bam adebayo, goran dragic, and Jimmy Butler are flanking you.

It’s also hard to ignore that Sexton was just fine playing next to Darius Garland who ran the offense. The eye test this season changed some for Sexton at a time when Cleveland was near unwatchable so nobody paid attention.

more importantly, you literally have to throw out every single statistical measure; ignore the 3 yr age gap; and set aside quality of coaching and roster to even make this a debate.

Sexton is the better player. You could argue Nunn is the better fit, but that’s all. CAA bias isn’t the reason someone would conclude he’s better. The numbers, age, draft position (aka scouting out of college) all make that case easy.

We have to agree to disagree. You watch teams that are good and it requires guys to operate in a system and then you can watch a guy go off for 30 points regularly and his team lose by 10. It’s not the tools, it’s how you play and every bad team in the league has guys who put up numbers.

He’s too damn ball dominant for a 6’1 SG. If we were talking about bring him on as a sixth man fine, but putting him next to RJ and Randle is going to be fukkery.

 

[Wargames]

Nunn is mid.

Get Zo and bring back D-Rose.

Bruh no offense but Zo is Just a better Frank

If we believe in Thibs as a coach then Sexton is not a bad pickup. Julius turned into MIP and an all star under Thibs, so Sexton can at least improve his defense and playmaking with the right guidance.

Same way he coached up Austin Rivers right

 

[Typical Knicks Fan]

I’m not high on Sexton and before the trade talks never had him as a target for the Knicks. But he’s not a bad player in a trade if we’re giving up Obi, Knox and picks.

The big argument should be is he worth the Max if we get him and he’s not. 5/168 is a tough pill to swallow and he needs to come down on that number if we’re in talks to sign him long term.


My target is Lowry and Cooper as our first pick in the draft over Sexton or Lonzo.

 

[RubioTheCruel]

I’m not high on Sexton and before the trade talks never had him as a target for the Knicks. But he’s not a bad player in a trade if we’re giving up Obi, Knox and picks.

The big argument should be is he worth the Max if we get him and he’s not. 5/168 is a tough pill to swallow and he needs to come down on that number if we’re in talks to sign him long term.

My point is this - the Cavs have been awful since Lebron left again and they desperately need high end talent - why are they so eager to get rid of him? Buyer beware.