YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

[mobbinfms]

I'm not playing dumb. If anything you're playing dumb. You're in here trying to make it as if Missy sold 600-700K in 2000 and make it as if "Hot Boyz" remix was a single from 2000. And you're wrong on both accounts.

You are playing dumb when you try to reduce the argument to just “Missy flopped because it took her longer to go platinum” when you know there are other parts to the argument.
It’s disingenuous.

 

[mobbinfms]

And see this is how you really expose yourself, if you're saying this single sold the album, how are you then saying nobody cared about the original. You'd have to buy the album to hear the original as the remix doesn't appear anywhere on the album.

Are you not aware that that was a known phenomenon? People buying an album for a remix only to get the album home and discover an album version you’d never heard before.
First time it happened to me was Enta Da Stage
Still a classic album though

 

[mobbinfms]

I've officially heard it all. Now, The Box wasn't the same in every city. Breh, what was different? I

We didn’t have Box where I grew up (in the Bay Area) but according to Wikipedia, @Wacky D is right.

At first, all of The Box's request lines used a large block of Miami telephone numbers and callers were only charged for a long distance call; however, in order to gain revenue, the network switched to the request line to a 1-900toll number, with callers being charged from $1.99 to $3.99 per call to make a request of up to three videos. The network was well known for being an "underground" outlet for music videos that were not shown or even banned on MTV, with up to 350 videos selectable at any given time in each of the 170 (by September 1992) different Box affiliates throughout the United States. Each affiliate had a unique playlist, usually customized to the local market, giving great exposure to more local and obscure groups.

 

[mobbinfms]

she had like 7 months to do numbers in '99 and didn't even go gold. so yea, if you go plat in 2000, but didn't even go gold in '99 off that same album, then yea you prolly moved at least 600k in 2000. basic mathematics.

I checked the chart position for the album for all of 99 and a few months in 2000. The vast majority of the sales did come in 99. I think she was gold, and the label held off on certifying until she had shipped platinum after Hot Boys. They probably didn’t want to certify just gold as it would have made it look like the album flopped in 99 (since the previous one went platinum in 2 months).

 

[mobbinfms]

I used to hear that often actually. altho, I never knew if it was true or not.
in fact, I remember way back further than this, they used to brand the stations by city.

when was the video out tho??

You were right about the Box.

 

[JustCKing]

I checked the chart position for the album for all of 99 and a few months in 2000. The vast majority of the sales did come in 99. I think she was gold, and the label held off on certifying until she had shipped platinum after Hot Boys. They probably didn’t want to certify just gold as it would have made it look like the album flopped in 99 (since the previous one went platinum in 2 months).

I have been saying this the whole time. You saying "I think she was gold" and "I think the label held off..." and "They probably didn't want to certify" is you speculating. Until you provide some proof, it's all null and void.

Again, albums receive gold and platinum certifications on the same day all the time. Nothing is gained or lost from certifying an album.

And since you're speculating, maybe Da Real World wasn't certified as fast because Supa Dupa Fly was certified prematurely and it actually didn't ship 1 million copies in two months. You don't know.

 

[JustCKing]

You were right about the Box.

No he wasn't and you read it all wrong.

 

[JustCKing]

We didn’t have Box where I grew up (in the Bay Area) but according to Wikipedia, @Wacky D is right.

At first, all of The Box's request lines used a large block of Miami telephone numbers and callers were only charged for a long distance call; however, in order to gain revenue, the network switched to the request line to a 1-900toll number, with callers being charged from $1.99 to $3.99 per call to make a request of up to three videos. The network was well known for being an "underground" outlet for music videos that were not shown or even banned on MTV, with up to 350 videos selectable at any given time in each of the 170 (by September 1992) different Box affiliates throughout the United States. Each affiliate had a unique playlist, usually customized to the local market, giving great exposure to more local and obscure groups.

You missed this part and this is why BOTH of ya'll are WRONG:

Customized to the local market giving great exposure to more local and obscure groups.

^^ Juvenile was not some local artist. I could see if we were in here talking about JT Tha Bigga Figga, Major Figgas, or Ghetto Mafia. These would've been artists that we would've only seen in our respective areas. Juvenile was a National artist.

 

[JustCKing]

Are you not aware that that was a known phenomenon? People buying an album for a remix only to get the album home and discover an album version you’d never heard before.
First time it happened to me was Enta Da Stage
Still a classic album though

That is assuming that everyone who heard "Hot Boyz" remix overlooked the fact that it was not the original on the album. You could look at the back of the album and know Nas, Eve, nor Q Tip were featured on the song. No additional copies of the album were pressed up with the remix on it.

This was hardly a phenomenon because the single was sold separately.

 

[JustCKing]

You are playing dumb when you try to reduce the argument to just “Missy flopped because it took her longer to go platinum” when you know there are other parts to the argument.
It’s disingenuous.

Just stop. I never once said Da Real World flopped. I said it sold slower than its predecessor. Didn't you just get through saying 400 Degreez was a slow burn? Yet, Missy's album is a flop.

 

[mobbinfms]

I remember first seeing the video in the fall of 1999.

Sidenote: If it doesn't fit the thread criteria due to a technicality, then I'll replace it with T.W.D.Y. - Player's Holiday.

The President did what?
Oh man that’s all good

 

[mobbinfms]

The remix to "Flava In Ya Ear" is definitely a bigger deal than the original.

You must be forgetting how big the original was. It was out for months on its own too.

 

[mobbinfms]

And it doesn't matter who was spittin' on "One More Chance". Mary is uncredited as a feature. She's on the song and in the video.

Are you arguing Mary is more responsible for the success of the One More Chance Remix than Biggie????

 

[mobbinfms]

Gold and Platinum aren't a measure of sales. She could've sold a full 500-700K in 1999 and not been certified until 2000. The album was certified Gold and platinum on February 4, 2000. In order for her to move 600K in 2000 from January 1-February 4, she would've had to move 150K per week, which would've bested her first week sales for four consecutive weeks. That obviously did not happen. For her to have gotten a platinum and gold certification that early in the year, she would've had to have been hovering around 700-800K in 1999.

Why do you think the album wasn’t certified gold in 99 If it had sold over 500k?

 

[mobbinfms]

Initially, you said 10 was disappointing. I explained to you why Missy was #10 and now you're saying if you removed the Top 3, she's be higher. That was my point. The chart positions are irrelevant because literally any sales figure could score you a higher or lower chart position based on individual sales AND the competition. This is why 129K in 1997 was enough to get her a #3, while 131K (although more than 129K) only got her a #10 in 1999. 9 other albums did more than she did that week.

The point is #7 is still disappointing.
Also, you make a strong argument that sales had increased quite a bit in 99 as opposed to 97.