YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

Wacky D

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You are moving goal posts. "Ruff Ryders Anthem" peaked in November 1998. The same time that "Slippin" was out. This was a month before FOMF dropped. And considering you didn't hear "Back That" until Summer 1999, maybe you need to excuse yourself from this topic.

Puffy's promo WAS Mase & Biggie. Every single song, Puff put out had one of them or both on it.

Wayne's didn't get more promo. Juve sold more because Juve had a single that was far bigger. To date, "Back That" is the most iconic song to come from that label. 400 Degreez is still the label's best seller.

You don't understand what Pop friendly is. Those songs are songs that cause the general music fan to gravitate towards them.

She's a Pop rapper to you. The song of topic "Hot Boyz" features Nas, Q-Tip (the same Tip that said Hip Hop is not Pop), and Eve.

And see this is how you really expose yourself, if you're saying this single sold the album, how are you then saying nobody cared about the original. You'd have to buy the album to hear the original as the remix doesn't appear anywhere on the album.

Breh, you having a VHS tape means absolutely nothing. You're talking about I hold it in high regard, but I'm not the one who brought MTV in to the discussion. As a matter of fact, you've mentioned MTV and TRL more than anyone else in this thread.


im talking about the videos. not the charts. the videos barely over-lapped each other. if at all. I clearly pointed out the differences between that and juvenile, and you keep side-stepping. im not arguing about it anymore. you clearly get the point.

having a bigger single, doesn't mean that youre getting more promo. it just means that your chit is hotter.

you don't have to be pop-friendly for the pop world to gravitate towards you.

missy is a pop rapper to everybody but you bro.
and please use your common sense. people weren't buying missy's album for the original hot boyz. they wanted the version that was on TV/radio.

lol @ quoting Q-Tip claiming hip-hop is not pop, but proceeded to put out those goofy ass singles in '99 that became hits, but his fanbase aint f*ck with it and he flopped.

I only brought the MTV chit into the discussion because I know YOU care about that type chit.
the TRL thing was a different discussion. this is why you don't comprehend things a lot of the time. you jumble everything up and end up taking everything out of context because of it. you can thank me later for that observation, btw.
 

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I've officially heard it all. Now, The Box wasn't the same in every city. Breh, what was different? I

I also remember "Follow Me Now" being played, but that song definitely didn't have staying power because they dropped the next single immediately after. By Spring I mean, late April, if not earlier.


I used to hear that often actually. altho, I never knew if it was true or not.
in fact, I remember way back further than this, they used to brand the stations by city.

when was the video out tho??
 

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AND AGAIN, youre playing dense.

i'd argue that Eve's "love is blind" was bigger than "hot boyz". either way, the only artist that benefited from that remix is missy, and I guess Lil Mo since that was prolly her debut.
I never said it was the 1st instance of a remix being a single. SMH. what the hell are you talking about?? also, the difference with craig mack's "flava in ya ear" is that it was already huge before they did the remix. and "one more chance" was like a completely different song from the original and it didn't have anybody else spittin on it anyway. just biggie.

what makes juvenile a special case?? he just sold 5 million f*ckin albums. you telling me he cant get a bump and get better promotion than the owner's "son" who sold ZERO records??
and if he went 4x platinum, that 5 might be worldwide sales. either that, or cash money aint paying for certs, which im sure they don't do over there for their old disgruntled artists.

of course I know biggie was gone by the time black rob dropped. im saying, if biggie was alive, you really think puff would've had him sharing the same level of promo as a black rob??? STOP PLAYING DUMB.
and I pointed out the fact that 400 degreez sold twice as much as biggie for emphasis.

mase was attached to big & puff and they were basically riding high off of mase's style by that point, but he wasn't getting quite the same amount of promo as them.

You could argue, but you'd lose that argument. "Hot Boyz" was bigger than "Love Is Blind". They all benefited it from simply because that particular song set a record for most weeks at #1 on the Rap charts and wasn't broken until this year. The remix to "Flava In Ya Ear" is definitely a bigger deal than the original. And it doesn't matter who was spittin' on "One More Chance". Mary is uncredited as a feature. She's on the song and in the video.

Juvenile didn't sell 5 million records and NO it doesn't mean the label is giving you more promo than a newbie. They sold 4 million records with three singles and videos and promo on the strength of that success. Why would you break the budget when you just sold 4 million records for cheap and you have artists on deck that you're trying to break.

Breh, Puff put Mase on his debut single while Biggie was still alive. "Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" dropped in late 1996.
 

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- most people didn't hear hot boyz until 2000, and most people only know the remix.
- she had like 7 months to do numbers in '99 and didn't even go gold. so yea, if you go plat in 2000, but didn't even go gold in '99 off that same album, then yea you prolly moved at least 600k in 2000. basic mathematics.
- her album wasn't even on the album charts anymore before hot boyz blew up.

And again, you don't know what you're talking about.

1) The remix was out a full three months before the album went Gold/Platinum

2) Gold and Platinum aren't a measure of sales. She could've sold a full 500-700K in 1999 and not been certified until 2000. The album was certified Gold and platinum on February 4, 2000. In order for her to move 600K in 2000 from January 1-February 4, she would've had to move 150K per week, which would've bested her first week sales for four consecutive weeks. That obviously did not happen. For her to have gotten a platinum and gold certification that early in the year, she would've had to have been hovering around 700-800K in 1999.

3) False. Missy's album didn't fall off the charts until the end of that year. It re-appeared at the top of 2000 in between 170-175 of the Billboard 200 and climbed to like 140 by like February.
 

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im talking about the videos. not the charts. the videos barely over-lapped each other. if at all. I clearly pointed out the differences between that and juvenile, and you keep side-stepping. im not arguing about it anymore. you clearly get the point.

having a bigger single, doesn't mean that youre getting more promo. it just means that your chit is hotter.

you don't have to be pop-friendly for the pop world to gravitate towards you.

missy is a pop rapper to everybody but you bro.
and please use your common sense. people weren't buying missy's album for the original hot boyz. they wanted the version that was on TV/radio.

lol @ quoting Q-Tip claiming hip-hop is not pop, but proceeded to put out those goofy ass singles in '99 that became hits, but his fanbase aint f*ck with it and he flopped.

I only brought the MTV chit into the discussion because I know YOU care about that type chit.
the TRL thing was a different discussion. this is why you don't comprehend things a lot of the time. you jumble everything up and end up taking everything out of context because of it. you can thank me later for that observation, btw.

Breh, nobody's sidestepping. You just keep moving goal posts. DMX had multi-platinum albums out at the same time and the singles were overlapping. Considering "Back That" had been out for months already, I don't think this video was getting as much play.

I never said having a bigger single means more promo.

Breh, nobody categorizes rappers as Pop this or Pop that. That's message board fodder.

Breh, how do you buy an album for a song that doesn't even appear on the album especially when the single was sold separately.

Club bangers =/= Pop no matter how goofy you thought they were.

Breh, don't come at me about caring about MTV, when you're the one archiving their shows on VHS. You're bringing up what you saw on TRL (a MTV show) and are criticizing me for "caring" about a media outlet that you put more stock in than I ever have.
 

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I didn't hear "back that thang up" until the summer of '99.

how was g-code a flop tho? because it had juvenile's name on it? the label completely dropped the ball, and he still went 1x or 2x plat.
I still can’t believe how Juvy just came and went on that album after how big 400 Degrees was.
The chart positions for first week were about the same, but G Code should have been much higher.
The singles obviously didn’t do as well as 400 Degrees.
The album didn’t sell as much. It did go platinum quicker, but It felt like a flop in real time. The expectations were much higher and 400 was a slow burn (no pun intended).
 

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It doesn't work like that. Chart positions aren't necessarily disappointing because it's a ranking that is based on not only how an individual album performed, but also how well the competition did. And yes it matters if an album is at #1 with 650K. And you're proving the point, had those other albums not been in the equation, Missy would've charted higher.
Your point is that chart position doesn’t matter for This Missy album because three albums on the chart sold a lot, and absent those high selling albums, she would have debuted in the top 5.

But even without those albums, she only gets bumped up to 7. So it doesn’t prove your point.
 

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Never said 121K was the benchmark (it doesn't have to be), but you are still wrong to use chart placements as a criteria when it was not only proven that 121K got an artist a #1, but it was cited that Missy's 131K would've been enough to get her a Top 5.
Clearly you don’t understand my point. :francis:
Which is frustrating.
How many other #1 albums in 99 did 121k or less?
 

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Furthermore you even killed you own argument with Supa Dupa Fly debuting at #3 in 1997, when it sold 129K. It's competition, Men In Black Soundtrack was #1 in its 2nd or 3rd week selling 169K.
Which argument was killed? And how?
 
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