YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

[mobbinfms]

I also listed DMX's Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood, Illmatic, and Reasonable Doubt
If you saw Vol. 3, I don't see how you missed those considering they were in the same post.

Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt were debuts so they can't be flops.
Just going off the top of my head, I wouldn't say that Flesh is a flop because it had an enormous first week and sold close to what the first album sold. I don't think the singles did as well. I'm not sure and I'd need to check certification dates. Either way, it was a wildly popular album at the time, so I'd be hard-pressed to say it was a flop. Even though I thought it paled in comparison to the first album.

 

[mobbinfms]

List was compiled using The Source magazine's listing of Gold and platinum albums from those respective years. Any albums that were missing, I added. I can scan in the Source list if you think I'm ying and you can verify all the dates.

Were the magazines contemporaneous?

 

[JustCKing]

Illmatic and Reasonable Doubt were debuts so they can't be flops.
Just going off the top of my head, I wouldn't say that Flesh is a flop because it had an enormous first week and sold close to what the first album sold. I don't think the singles did as well. I'm not sure and I'd need to check certification dates. Either way, it was a wildly popular album at the time, so I'd be hard-pressed to say it was a flop. Even though I thought it paled in comparison to the first album.

Debut albums can indeed be flops. Prime example, College Dropout is Kanye's debut. Had that album took years to go gold or platinum, I'm sure most would not hesitated calling that album a flop.

Now I'm not saying Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt are flops, but going by your reasoning and logic they would be.

And there goes your consistency. You maintain X's album isn't a flop because it sold close to what the first album sold. Yet, you're saying Da Real World is a flop even though it sold closer to what her first album sold.

 

[mobbinfms]

Now I'm not saying Illmatic or Reasonable Doubt are flops, but going by your reasoning and logic they would be.

All of my criteria is based on comparing an album to the album that precedes it.
So what specific logic and reasoning are you referring to?

 

[mobbinfms]

You maintain X's album isn't a flop because it sold close to what the first album sold. Yet, you're saying Da Real World is a flop even though it sold closer to what her first album sold.

Are you deliberately reducing my comprehensive approach to flop evaluation to a single criteria or am I missing something here?

 

[mobbinfms]

No, it's not.

This is from the beginning of the DJ Booth article about platinum albums.

That’s why, after putting together the list of every rapper to ever have a platinum hip-hop album, we were eager to dive back into another breakdown of the Platinum Master List we compiled which had not only every artist, but every album and the year the album was released. Looking over that Master List it became clear what we could really chart hip-hop's commercial rise by looking at platinum albums by year of release, so we sorted by the date and got this:

 

[JustCKing]

All of my criteria is based on comparing an album to the album that precedes it.
So what specific logic and reasoning are you referring to?

For starters, a flop is not necessarily conditioned on what came before it. That only provides somewhat of a standard. You can drop a debut and still flop.

 

[mobbinfms]

For starters, a flop is not necessarily conditioned on what came before it. That only provides somewhat of a standard. You can drop a debut and still flop.

You can’t apply your criteria to how I evaluate flops and then judge me on it though
Just judge me on what I’ve actually said.

 

[JustCKing]

Are you deliberately reducing my comprehensive approach to flop evaluation to a single criteria or am I missing something here?

There was nothing comprehensive about your criteria. You already deviated from it by claiming FOMFBOMB wasn't a flop, when based on your "comprehensive" list, it would be.

 

[JustCKing]

Were the magazines contemporaneous?

The lists were from year end review issues of the Source for those respective years.

 

[JustCKing]

You can’t apply your criteria to how I evaluate flops and then judge me on it though
Just judge me on what I’ve actually said.

I am judging you on the criteria you posted. I applied the same logic to those albums, which is why I clearly stated, by your own logic, those other albums are also flops according to you.

 

[mobbinfms]

There was nothing comprehensive about your criteria. You already deviated from it by claiming FOMFBOMB wasn't a flop, when based on your "comprehensive" list, it would be.

It’s more comprehensive than your criteria.
You’re only looking at one factor. Album sales at one specific time.

How specifically did I deviate from it?

 

[mobbinfms]

I am judging you on the criteria you posted. I applied the same logic to those albums, which is why I clearly stated, by your own logic, those other albums are also flops according to you.

No. This is demonstrably false. All you’ve done is reduce my criteria to a single factor.

 

[mobbinfms]

The lists were from year end review issues of the Source for those respective years.

Ok. They would be missing albums that were certified in later years then.

 

[JustCKing]

It’s more comprehensive than your criteria.
You’re only looking at one factor. Album sales at one specific time.

How specifically did I deviate from it?

My criteria had more factors than one. Besides, how many factors isn't the point.

Your criteria included singles and none of the singles from FOMFBOMB were bigger than the ones from IDAHIH ("Slippin" is an all time great song though). IDAHIH went 4X platinum and FOMFBOMB went 3X platinum. It took two years for FOMFBOMB to reach 3X platinum when it only took IDAHIH less than a year. And on top of this, you were arguing that an album selling less than the previous one was a flop. Based on ALL of this, this album flop by your standard unless your criteria exclusively applies to Missy.

You deviated from your own criteria to say FOMFBOMB was NOT a flop, but are using the same metrics to say Missy's album was.