Your least favorite hip hop narratives
- Thread starter Mike Wins
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Great point.
Not only navigate...but thrive. This shyt goes through different fads and styles and trends and sounds every 4-5 years and these guys been here solidified for 4 decades, there's a reason they might be the only 2. You can name others from the 90's but have they really "thrived" or have they just lingered off the radar?
. Nas and Jay-z don't get enough homage paid...especially Nas...nigs been gettin called G.O.A.T. since I was 9 years old and still today when I'm 36, shyt is nuts.
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
Nas isn't dead. They will respect him when he's dead and gone. White people are obsessed with death and negroes follow what white folks want them to follow.Great point.
Not only navigate...but thrive. This shyt goes through different fads and styles and trends and sounds every 4-5 years and these guys been here solidified for 4 decades, there's a reason they might be the only 2. You can name others from the 90's but have they really "thrived" or have they just lingered off the radar?
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Veteran
The Last Meal doesn't get the credit it deserves
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Veteran
I don't know about that. I don't think we are that gullible and simple minded where all of our negative aspects are due to white folks tricking us.
White folks generally love those "conscious" rappers with something to say. Gen Zers, however, love the ignorant shyt.
Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
Everything that is popular on the billboards, who makes the lists? Most black people today won't even look for their own music and only wait for or listen to top 40. When you go to hip hop shows of these underground acts, what color people do you see there mostly? Even Dead Prez confirmed most of their fans at the shows were white hahahaha. The college "hipster" white kids listen to the underground and most of the other black kids are heavy into popular shyt. Even mfers that claim they love that "real" hip hop, still listen to Drake or Future heavily.
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Tommy Gibbs
Superstar
no I'm not talking about songs discussing death, I'm talking about AFTER a popular artist dies. Look at the history changing efforts of Dilla's status. The man couldn't get any work the last year or so of his life and once he dies, everyone was a fan. Make that make sense to me.. And they put his MPC in the Smithsonian(deservingly).. Larry Smith(produced more classic and historical albums than Dilla) and he died penniless without a mention even today. Why is Larry Smith forgotten? Because white folks aint propping him up like they do Dilla, Pac, and biggie.. The average black hip hop fan forgets their own when they aren't told who to worship. I'm black and I hate to say this, but it's the truth. We don't have control over what is or isn't hot in hip hop. If white folks wanted trap music to end tomorrow, it would instantly if they stopped playing and promoting it and whatever they promoted, the mindless would gravitate to it.
Taadow
The StarchBishop™️
I will agree and add this:
It is amazing what Sean “Puffy” Combs was able to sell to the people.
B.I.G. is absolutely one of the greatest rappers we’ve ever heard - but we wouldn’t have known that without Ready To Die. He was (A) gonna sit the bench at Uptown if Puff didn’t start his own chit, or (B) probably not rap at all if Puff got the job at LaFace like he wanted.
Craig Mack was a dude who had a li’l street buzz some time waaay before Puff got to him. “Flava N Ya Ear” was basically a comeback joint, nobody coulda thought that album was gonna catch on like it did...
Same with G-Dep, Black Rob & Loon - they were background dudes on other teams that Puff put up front for a minute.
Ma$e was somebody rapping on the street in slides - you could argue he was the 3rd best rapper in his crew
Total was an R&B group that don’t sing great, but damn if they don’t got jams.
Puff got the absolute best out of what he had to work with...
It’s because the music is a social experience with black people and not those white folk
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
alot of biggie overrating in here
and puff dikkriding
diddy inherited his dads spot and invested even more into the A&R shyt
he exploited all of his artists for his own benefit
Biggie rapped for almost 10 years and only dropped 2.5 albums ... the features are same shyt most artists have
Jay-z alone had better runs multiple times and more features
while rapping before during and after BIG
Big was also set up for failure if death wasnt around the corner, not even mentioning his declining health and diabetes with his eyesight and morbid obesity
He's 100% a legend but nikkas are biased and lying in here. Especially when its documented that Jada penned songs as initiation for him...(not that he needed it)
He was right place right time and wrong place wrong time at the same instance
his great skill, charisma and voice made him solidified ... but his work ethic was trash, his group was trash, his label was trash etc He wasnt even in the best spot based on having solid backup in the realm of people who hated him (even if you take PAC out of the equation) even his own wife hated him
and puff dikkriding
diddy inherited his dads spot and invested even more into the A&R shyt
he exploited all of his artists for his own benefit
Biggie rapped for almost 10 years and only dropped 2.5 albums ... the features are same shyt most artists have
Jay-z alone had better runs multiple times and more features
while rapping before during and after BIG
Big was also set up for failure if death wasnt around the corner, not even mentioning his declining health and diabetes with his eyesight and morbid obesity
He's 100% a legend but nikkas are biased and lying in here. Especially when its documented that Jada penned songs as initiation for him...(not that he needed it)
He was right place right time and wrong place wrong time at the same instance
his great skill, charisma and voice made him solidified ... but his work ethic was trash, his group was trash, his label was trash etc He wasnt even in the best spot based on having solid backup in the realm of people who hated him (even if you take PAC out of the equation) even his own wife hated him
Mike the Executioner
What went on up there? Poppers and weird sex!
There's no doubt in my mind that Nas would have pulled it off. If I Am... doesn't get leaked, we're looking at one of the greatest three-album runs in the history of music. That could have changed many of the perceptions about Nas' career, especially at the time.
It's sad to think about all the great things that never happened because I Am... leaked. Then again, if it didn't leak, we probably don't get Stillmatic or The Lost Tapes.
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Veteran
yeah that's what I was getting at
I'll call it the great "regional divide." What I mean by that is that a region only rocks with region "A" or "B." That narrative is grossly exaggerated on hip-hop forms.
In my travels i've seen more cases of the opposite. There are probably more artists that get more love out of town than their own city....
In my travels i've seen more cases of the opposite. There are probably more artists that get more love out of town than their own city....
gotta agree with this
CD
LR
GN
808s
Yeezus
Watch the throne
other than Nas, Jay, and Scarface nobody discography comes close honestly