Your least favorite hip hop narratives

[Cladyclad]

Still trying to understand that take

He dropped his debut September 1994 and by March 1997 he'd released two classic albums, one of them a double, and a crew album that he wrote most of. And had plenty guest spots starting in 1993

People compare Pac output to Biggies. But refuse to think Pac went OD after he got of jail. If Pac died in 95 would people say that about Pac work ethic?

 

[Taadow]

The other ones? Maybe but Biggie and Mase were super talented...they were meant to be..they got the voice and lyrics to always stand out. Puffy did alot of rehash music...he's nowhere near as talented as DJ Quik, Daz, or Dre. Never was. He was more of the right place...right time.

I think Ma$e was gonna be no matter what because he almost signed with Jermaine.

Biggie could very well have been Saigon status if there was no Bad Boy.

And I agree Puff was no genius musically - but I’m in awe of the marketing.
Like...it’s not just that he was more of the “right place right time”; but each “time” he had
something it hit...no matter if it was great or not.

To me it’s like how folks feel about No Limit. They don’t understand how Fiend or Kane & Abel was going plat. I can at least explain how No Limit was doing it. It escapes me for Bad Boy, but it’s amazing to me.

 

[R=G]

I think Ma$e was gonna be no matter what because he almost signed with Jermaine.

Biggie could very well have been Saigon status if there was no Bad Boy.

And I agree Puff was no genius musically - but I’m in awe of the marketing.
Like...it’s not just that he was more of the “right place right time”; but each “time” he had
something it hit...no matter if it was great or not.

To me it’s like how folks feel about No Limit. They don’t understand how Fiend or Kane & Abel was going plat. I can at least explain how No Limit was doing it. It escapes me for Bad Boy, but it’s amazing to me.

I think it was rather easy really..took of the 80s beats and created that slogan "we won't stop, we can't stop" shyt.

 

[Rayzah]

I give him his due as a producer, but as a rapper? I don't know, I never connected with him like that, plus his voice and delivery start to annoy me in large doses.

Dude's a genius as a self promoter though. Fact that his cult of personality is so strong that his stanbase thinks Yeezus, Life of Pablo and Donda are masterpieces is impressive in a way

Let me explain why this argument is flawed, the guy you quoted said his discography is overrated, then said if you stop after his first 4 albums.

Tell me exactly how many rappers have 4 classics and are not considered one if the best ever?

Also why are you trying to separate his producer side from his rapper side? It’s all him so if you say he has 4 classics (I say 5) and a collab album that’s considered a classic, TLOP Pablo was a good as album but for arguments sake it’s a 4 mic album. You add all of that and include all the great songs he has produced, dude deserves ALL the credit he gets and then some. NO raps and makes beats as good as him.

This narrative that his maga BS and his incoherent rants discredit everything he has done is BS. We have to stop throwing while legends away because of some unpopular comments or political beliefs.

 

[Rayzah]

This is ANOTHER narrative that needs to be deaded. This shyt ain’t true at ALL. I was actually gonna come in the thread and address this but me replying to this post is enough for me.

This narrative was created in the south, because people from up north dont champion the lyrics of most southern acts. They think we don’t fukk with them. And that’s never been true. I always liked the southern a acts for different reasons, I they wasn’t spitting crazy bars but they still made good music

 

[Rayzah]

Tical was in no way trash. lol. 13 tracks. Name the trash tracks. I don't remember no one in November, December of 94 and all of 95 claiming it was trash. Not one person. If you want to trash debut, that's the Fugees' debut. Salaam Remi saved their career with the "Nappy Heads" remix and then came the Vocab remixes. That album was truly horrible.

Naw people was not fukking with meth like that. Compared for the other members of the group he was the commercial one with the most basic style. It wasn’t until he started fukking with red man then people started rocking with him. Although I will say Tical 2 was severely underrated

Bring the Pain and Meth vs Chef were my favorite songs on the album......everything else is forgettable

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I swear those are the only songs my friends and family rocked as well. The Mary J song was huge but we wasn’t fukking with it, back in those days the chick songs weren’t for us and were not in the rotation

 

[fact]

Anybody that will not, or cannot regard and accept BIG as the greatest overall MC to ever live just don’t seem like they being honest, or truly just don’t understand. It wasn’t the work that he did that convinced me, it was the fact that nobody has come close since his death, or filled the void, even though many have tried. I’ll never forget, the word was that Puff went out and got an artist that sounded exactly like Big, and at this point, I was starting to come to grips with the fact that BIG was dead and everything that came along with it, and I was hyped off missing BIG and also was looking at Puff funny for that shyt too. So I got a few new mixtapes, I think it was a Clue, it could have been Chubby Chub, but once I heard that Shyne shyt, it just made me miss BIG more, Shyne is dope to me, I like his voice, flow, lyrics, delivery, but he wasn’t even in BIG’s category, matter fact, what 95% of emcees do is not what BIG did. I think Jay is the GOAT, his catalogue to me makes him the best that ever did it, and it’s too late now for me to change my mind, but not even Jay can do what B I did over a beat, Wallace was the most overall talented emcee to ever rap

 

[TheRtist]

ASAP Rocky and Travis Scott are the ones that first come to mind

Travis Scott always sounded like Texas tho...

his whole theme was the Rodeo, dont get no more Texas than that.

 

[DarkmanX]

People compare Pac output to Biggies. But refuse to think Pac went OD after he got of jail. If Pac died in 95 would people say that about Pac work ethic?

Good point but i think they would. Dude released a project every year minus 1992. And doing movies. This was the 90s when nikkas dropped an album every 2-3 yrs

 

[just my thoughts]

People compare Pac output to Biggies. But refuse to think Pac went OD after he got of jail. If Pac died in 95 would people say that about Pac work ethic?

R U Still down album and loyal to the game are all pre deathrow. Pac was known before jail to record 3 songs a day

 

[spliz]

People compare Pac output to Biggies. But refuse to think Pac went OD after he got of jail. If Pac died in 95 would people say that about Pac work ethic?

Biggie admittedly said he didn’t make music unless he was recording an album. Biggie also said out his own mouth Pac wrote songs quick as fukk. Pac wrote songs so quick he would write the other nikka verse if he didn’t have it ready on time. Like what he did with Shock G on I Get Around. Pac has MAD unreleased music Pre Death Row so ur just wrong all around.

 

[spliz]

Good point but i think they would. Dude released a project every year minus 1992. And doing movies. This was the 90s when nikkas dropped an album every 2-3 yrs

And like I said. Pac has MAD unreleased material from his pre Death Row days. Biggie was bragging about PAC’s work ethic himself back then.

 

[Womb Raider]

I actually like "Man Now" by G Herbo and "Super Powers" by Durk.

Both tracks fire

 

[Nostalgic]

Dr.Dre is a perfectionist.

Stop it, The muthafukka is lazy.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

Dr.Dre is a perfectionist.

Stop it, The muthafukka is lazy.

On one of Suge Knight's phone interviews, he states this. Now I know that you can't believe EVERYTHING Suge says, but when he described Dre getting a home studio on Death Row, that was hilarious. Suge said in that particular interview that he was against Dre having a home studio. He said, "he's never going to get anything done now..."