There's elegance in simplicity also.Yeah, I hate progressive rock(I like King Crimson though
). I don't think complex structures constitutes great songwriting or expression, and that's the major discerning attribute that Rush brings to the table from a songwriting perspective imo (I've heard all of 2112 and Moving Pictures and a handful of songs). Just my opinion, I don't want to trash anyone's tastes or needlessly put down any band, do you. And I'm not trolling, I just wanted to get some things off my chest
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Misc You Guys Like Metal?
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I feel you. I'm just sick of these basement dwelling cac fakkits belittling black music to extol (mostly terrible) metal. They don't even like the good stuff...most of the time, these pencil necked low testosterone virginal cac nerds will worship aband band like Arghosolent
while having the NERVE to write off jazz, James Brown or Wu-Tang without even listening to it just because it ain't cac (or more specifically it's black). Some of the music is great, but the fanbase is full of fakkits and autistic cac misfits with personality disorders
Miles Davis is a way better musician and songwriter than any metal cac, I don't care what anyone says.
Lol @ whoever said "Evil Music".
Why does the coli have so many conservative christian types ?
But yeah this is directed at the post I quoted :
I like Metal but I do agree that the scene has some racist idiots
I won't sit here and say it's the majority of the scene or anything of that nature
but if you spend enough time on a rock/metal forum and there will be a few ignorant,
racist, loudmouths who make sure to let you know how they feel about Black People,Black Music
and anyone who disagrees with them. And if it's a Black art form they can usually speak at length
about white cats (Eminem, Hall & Oates, Bill Evans etc.) then undermine black performers and greats
in those genres.
And most metal cats are just not Jazzers the level of knowledge and chops it requires
to be an incredible Jazz guitarist vs. a Metal guitarist is pretty big IMO.
Lol @ whoever said "Evil Music".
Why does the coli have so many conservative christian types ?
But yeah this is directed at the post I quoted :
I like Metal but I do agree that the scene has some racist idiots
I won't sit here and say it's the majority of the scene or anything of that nature
but if you spend enough time on a rock/metal forum and there will be a few ignorant,
racist, loudmouths who make sure to let you know how they feel about Black People,Black Music
and anyone who disagrees with them. And if it's a Black art form they can usually speak at length
about white cats (Eminem, Hall & Oates, Bill Evans etc.) then undermine black performers and greats
in those genres.
And most metal cats are just not Jazzers the level of knowledge and chops it requires
to be an incredible Jazz guitarist vs. a Metal guitarist is pretty big IMO.
Agreed.
Ironically, black bluesmen and Jimi Hendrix were HUGE influences on Tipton, Downing and Iommi, the fathers of metal guitar playing. They openly state it all the time in interviews.
I completely agree.
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oh yeah, I agree.
The fans will too.
I was just reading a thread on a website I frequent where some young cat was talking
about how he didn't really care for the blues and a bunch of more knowledgeable posters tore him
a new one and let him know that essentially without the blues there would be no metal.
Though many did admit that there are several bands today who stray from the Blues influence.
How is that ironic?
Metalheads (some of them) trash black music on the internet, but their music has obvious black roots.
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
Listening to that Gorguts before they became experimental. Still good even though it's just realy well thought out death metal 
Julius Skrrvin
I be winkin' through the scope
I feel you. I'm just sick of these basement dwelling cac fakkits belittling black music to extol (mostly terrible) metal. They don't even like the good stuff...most of the time, these pencil necked low testosterone virginal cac nerds will worship a
Miles Davis is a way better musician and songwriter than any metal cac, I don't care what anyone says.
Putting the (subliminal and blatant) racism of white music fans aside for a minute
A lot of cacs that are into metal don't 'get' the intrinsic value of the blues as an artform. They don't understand it, partially because in their heads they evaluate everything musically through standards of the old western tradition. They think mechanically, not emotionally so of course the blues to them is just a few simplye chord progressions and syncopation. They don't get hip hop either, because it's not (just) about how many syllables you can cram into a rest between beats or how thematically complex it is.
This isn't really just limited to metal fans either. A lot of classic music autists are the same way. They respect Jazz at least, because they see how technical it is. But they don't understand some of the emotional content.
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You got that right, sometimes I see the Hip Hop "suggestions" on Rock/Metal forums and I justPutting the (subliminal and blatant) racism of white music fans aside for a minute
A lot of cacs that are into metal don't 'get' the intrinsic value of the blues as an artform. They don't understand it, partially because in their heads they evaluate everything musically through standards of the old western tradition. They think mechanically, not emotionally so of course the blues to them is just a few simplye chord progressions and syncopation. They don't get hip hop either, because it's not (just) about how many syllables you can cram into a rest between beats or how thematically complex it is.
This isn't really just limited to metal fans either. A lot of classic music autists are the same way. They respect Jazz at least, because they see how technical it is. But they don't understand some of the emotional content.
Somehow someway there is almost always a mention of Aesop Rock or Death Grips as if the dozens
of other artists with good discographies seemingly don't exist.
Classical cats can be just as bad if not worse so I also agree with that.
If you start talking about "jazz composers" more often not they'll mention Gershwin but
Ellington, Monk, Mingus, Miles, Coltrane etc. hardly get any respect (or are even known !) unless the person happens
to be a Jazz head on top of listening to classical music.
Saying they're "thinking mechanically"( in reference to some metal heads...) is the perfect way to describe it, I think a lot of them
don't pay attention to the emotions a specific chord and melody coupled with a tempo is meant to evoke so instead they focus on
how many notes AREN'T there or how few chord progressions are happening or whether or not it's played slow.
And in metal I think it leads to this sort of hackneyed attempt at incorporating "other genres" into metal.
They can mimic the elements in a superficial sense but they don't seem to be truly learned in what they're trying to incorporate.
That isn't always the case but I've definitely heard it in the "Metal jazz" cats or "neo classical" cats.
After a certain point though I think calling some of them "metal" is a stretch and they might as well go with the age old description of fusion.
I mean they can only take on so much before they sound like they have more in common with mclaughlin and less in common with their metal predecessors.
Hop-hop doesn't interest me. Jazz is cool. Maybe someday I'll take the time to listen to all of the Big Band stuff so I can understand what the jazz musicians were "rebelling" against and jumping off from. I don't play any instruments, so that probably doesn't help.
The idea that metal is somehow just about who plays the fastest and most technical stuff, and it's not about the emotions, or that other genres of music are somehow deeper emotionally -- I think that's a pretty bad opinion
The idea that metal is somehow just about who plays the fastest and most technical stuff, and it's not about the emotions, or that other genres of music are somehow deeper emotionally -- I think that's a pretty bad opinion
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You're on a hip hop forum but you don't like Hip Hop ?
Interesting.
Jazz is cool. Maybe someday I'll take the time to listen to all of the Big Band stuff so I can understand what the jazz musicians were "rebelling" against and jumping off from. I don't play any instruments, so that probably doesn't help.
The idea that metal is somehow just about who plays the fastest and most technical stuff, and it's not about the emotions, or that other genres of music are somehow deeper emotionally -- I think that's a pretty bad opinion
Of course, I agree that metal music can be highly emotional even when it's "technical", I feel the same way
about Jazz and classical, stirring performances can come from highly technical performances in the same
way that a simpler song can.
I think what I'm talking about is more common in prog metal/rock circles, it's very similar to the underground
Hip Hop mentality of "Cram as many words as possible into a bar".
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I listen to metal music and I'm always open to more suggestions.
Hip hop just doesn't do anything for me. I'm not saying it's bad.
You're on a hip hop forum but you don't like Hip Hop ?
Interesting.
Of course, I agree that metal music can be highly emotional even when it's "technical", I feel the same way
about Jazz and classical, stirring performances can come from highly technical performances in the same
way that a simpler song can.
I think what I'm talking about is more common in prog metal/rock circles, it's very similar to the underground
Hip Hop mentality of "Cram as many words as possible into a bar".
*edit*
I listen to metal music and I'm always open to more suggestions.
I would have thought that what you were talking about was more within, like, technical death metal and stuff. I guess there is some of that in prog, but it's kind of a weird criticism because that's kind of the point.
I've said before, there's elegance in simplicity also.
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Superstar
I'm just kinda tripped out by that
Wouldn't a metal or rock forum serve you better ?
As for the other two points, that isn't the only place I've witnessed it,
it's just where it appears to be the most common.
And I agree there is definitely elegance in simplicity.