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chuck been spittin that gospel.
"You got a bunch of 29/30 year olds trying to be acceptable to 16 & 15 year olds" - Chuck D
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I feel ya.
It's insulting that rap that actually isn't afraid to be introspective is categorized as "conscious" as if by default rap and black people is/are supposed to be unconscious, ignorant, and just generally unintelligent.
It motivates ....... I'm of an abundance mindset and being self reliant
We live in a day with access to computers and lots of information........so no Jay doesn't owe Hiphop or kids anything
He gave hip hop certified classics and its fans hours upon hours of studio time and concerts.......
All people ever b!tch about is "he's sellling out" "euro hov" "he's soft" "do more for the culture" "you owe me" blah blah
sounds like a bunch of thankless bullsh!t to me ......
I'm grateful and appreciative as a business person the lessons one can take to enrich themselves such as forming strategic alliances, diversification and branding
It's down to personal values...some value art over money .......greater cause over self enrichment...but Jay has always been about the $$$$ so should he change now ?
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he's right
It motivates a selfish ruthless immoral approach without compassion that is destructive to black people, humanity as a whole and Hip Hop. He can do it though as can anyone else but I can and will criticize if it's merited.
Jay does owe Hip Hop and the fact you think he doesn't is a problem. People did A LOT to pave the way for him, without that Jay might not even be alive, or could be in jail, he said this HIMSELF.
You need to stop taking KRS and Public Enemy as examples.
It's like talking about how black people are doing good as fukk, just look at Oprah and Obama.
I'm talking about their music. Jay-z gets people to go to college and have a chance of climbing the corporate ladder by paying for their tuition, taking his time to sit with them and talk to them etc. Not by making songs about fukking with Warren Buffet.
Snoop stops violence by getting street dudes in a room not by making stop the violence music.
Just sometimes, very few times, some songs get through to people.
But these people are most likely people that already think about things, they are not getting dudes to say well I might stop selling drugs to buy diapers cause Snoop Lion said it in a song.
I think very few musicians music has influential music (influential as influencing people choices in the direction of their lives), their lifestyle is but not their music. Even if you listen to Jeezy, people die in his songs, all his friends are locked up in his songs. If that sounds appealing to you, theres something wrong with you. Conscious music couldn't save that kid.
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No idea what this ramble is trying to say. Look, if you're 1 of the biggest rappers in the world you have a voice and you are a role model whether you like it or not. He should be more responsible and less confirmative. Well that isn't good enough, clearly, needs to be both or it's conflicting messages, and most people are hearing the music not the behind the scenes shyt. Well you're wrong really. And you are also taking about many impressionable and vulnerable people that some of these artists and corplantations are straight up exploiting.
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You are loyal to your own ignorance... Jay is an entertainer not an activist ......Why you expect him to be is beyond me
He has been open and consistent with his beliefs for 20 years...You know wassup already
He is smart, shrewd, pragmatic and focused...if anything we need more black people like this so
They can build black companies with black employees.....
It's not merited because you already know his belief system.....but your ego is soooooooooooooooo warped you actually expect someone else to alter theirs just so you can validate them. Are you hearing yourself ?
It's not a problem .... he gave Hiphop classic moments and years of his life. I'm grateful...you aren't ...that's the difference
You actually expect that he do more and for him to meet your expectations as well....
I'm glad that he will probably never follow your path and stay consistent and focused on wealth creation
I am loyal to my integrity, it's nothing to do with ignorance. Jay is a black MC from Marcy. You dudes don't understand Hip Hop, that's the issue.
Make more people sellouts who value money over everything? No thanks, we have enough of those already.
You keep talking as if shyt is mutually exclusive, it's not AT ALL.
I know Hip Hop's belief system, I already said he doesn't have to do anything, if I'm a billionaire I don't HAVE to feed my mother or children but am still going to. This doesn't even make sense the bullshyt you're saying, I'm not saying he has to alter his belief system, I'm saying I can critique his belief system, just like Harry Belafonte did.
We are 2 contrasting people, weren't you the dude supporting and defending Eminem's racism and also condoning threats of rape against women?
Anyway, the Jay thing is a a side issue that someone else brought up, someone like Eminem is a far greater problem, an infantile man child pushing 40.
You don't understand business or capitalism ..... it's okay
This isn't about sellouts.... We need black people to become manufacturers and producers not consumers
who wait on the next man to do something for them...
We are in America in 2015 with access to the information and multiple opportunities
The paradigm shift from "do something for me" to "how can I emulate what you did"
is ultimately more beneficial for us as black individuals.
Who will then employ and empower other black people AFTER they reach their goals
Nobody made you the sole representative of HipHop....yet here you are saying he should do this ...blah blah....
What have you done in your life ? What label did you start ? What album did you release that was commercially successful ?
What rejection did you face when starting your fashion label ? What companies have you sold ? What companies have you bought ?
All you are saying is this........ "dear Jay-Z because you are a wealthy public figure your ideals should align with mine NOW and those of us who think it will benefit black people long term. If you do not we will discredit the man hours, grueling rejection and effort you've put in and the subsequent lessons that can be learned along with way"
We are very different.... I appreciate and recognize and apply brilliance
You see it and demand more say "We deserve"......
Funny how enough is enough when it comes to his ambitions....but it's NOT enough for your ambitions
I was never in any discussion about Eminem making racist comments and have never advocated actual rape against women....
Back to this issue....of you thinking anybody owes anybody in America :usherlol:
Ok, firstly your previous post, your logic is highly flawed, it really just sounds like your stanning. Difference is I'm a Jay Z fan, rate him highly, that doesn't mean I can't make a critique on him or anybody else. But anyway, by your logic it's ok to sell the whole black race out to slavemasters if you get some extra money? That don't wash with me at all.
Your whole approach sounds exactly what a republican would say. Most people don't even have the opportunity to do some of things you said through no fault of their own.
Nobody made me the sole representative of Hip Hop, that's true, I never claimed otherwise, but the Hip Hop Declaration Of Peace IS the representation of Hip Hop, as is Chuck D. I'm in alignment with that, you are in alignment with some next corporate bullshyt.
Again, I didn't say Jay's has to align, what I said was I CAN critique what he does, as can anybody, Jay can critique me if he wants/if I was a public figure too. I've regularly turned down things that were destructive to others that could have made me a lot more money. And while I'm not a multi millionaire yet, I'm not starving either. And I can sleep at night, knowing that I've only ever tried to help and support people, financially or otherwise and never exploited anybody.
Ok, well I'mma check that cause I think it was you. But not 100 percent so I'll check that if I can find the threads and come back about that should I find them.
Lol, so I guess you also disagree with reparations? Despite the fact masses of other wronged communities/races have got them?
I'm looking at some of the threads now and I was correct it was you Cynic...
That's the difference, you have a complete lack or morals, righteousness and integrity. So clearly you would be supportive of the sellout Judas approach.
That's the difference, you have a complete lack or morals, righteousness and integrity. So clearly you would be supportive of the sellout Judas approach.
Making hiphop music and enriching oneself =/= brokering slavery
Selling music isn't selling people ..... I'm done
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