Exactly, talking about Barbies at 30 odd? And who you think that's getting marketed too? What's the marketing plan there? Obviously children. Good post.
"You got a bunch of 29/30 year olds trying to be acceptable to 16 & 15 year olds" - Chuck D
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Exactly, talking about Barbies at 30 odd? And who you think that's getting marketed too? What's the marketing plan there? Obviously children. Good post.
This is also the point, no financial responsibility, and priorities ALL fukked up which trickles down also. "It isn't how much you make, it's how much you save" and when it comes to people who have made millions this is true.
Problem is,most cats that follow these new rappers don't have any kind of discipline of any kind. I mean, only now do people realize that removing individuals like Chuck D out of the culture done monumental harm.
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Jay tried to do it and ya'll hated.
Kingdom Come wasn't the best but it wasn't THAT bad
One of my top 3 Jay albums. So unfairly hated on.
He finally took a risk after years of ho hum, borderline formulaic shyt and he gets panned. So hell yeah, if I were him I'd go right back to the "my drapes cost more than your house" shyt ... or whatever the fukk he said.
Its relevant but I bet everyone in here was thinking specific rappers today when Chuck D was talking about their old favorites
Low key, tho.
Because that's their lifestyle for real, African.
You mad or nah?
Were you just as mad at the hair bands and metal bands for being older (many of them were born in early the early 60s and at their peaks were 29/30s y/o) and still trashing hotel rooms, fukkin' harlots, popping bottles and Jack and glorifying the chic junkie life?
You've been working too hard man...
... just ... go punch the clock, my African. Come home, kiss ya wife and kids. Go to ya man cave, pop a cold one, watch some ESPN highlights. Be grateful, bro.
One of my top 3 Jay albums. So unfairly hated on.
He finally took a risk after years of ho hum, borderline formulaic shyt and he gets panned. So hell yeah, if I were him I'd go right back to the "my drapes cost more than your house" shyt ... or whatever the fukk he said.
Low key, tho.
Because that's their lifestyle for real, African.
You mad or nah?
Were you just as mad at the hair bands and metal bands for being older (many of them were born in early the early 60s and at their peaks were 29/30s y/o) and still trashing hotel rooms, fukkin' harlots, popping bottles and Jack and glorifying the chic junkie life?
You've been working too hard man...
... just ... go punch the clock, my African. Come home, kiss ya wife and kids. Go to ya man cave, pop a cold one, watch some ESPN highlights. Be grateful, bro.
Me being mad? Nah,no jealously on this end, just that common sense is non existent. I know when I hit 40, best believe that majority of that shyt will be left behind.
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Cool, cool.
If I could continue to still do it big at 40 (and not just poppin' bottles at Liv, but grand scale living), and still come home to a halfway functional family... damn right I'ma do it. Why the fukk not, African? And it's gonna be a lot of mad Africans, too. Glad you're not one of 'em.
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Thing is, I don't blame these rappers
Nicki never wanted to be minaj. She didn't want to sell sex. She didnt want to be the black lady gaga. She didn't talk about barbies before.
What happens is you write the bars like normal. Hand in the song. Then the label exec is like.....
"Well numbers show that this demographic will buy the most albums and tickets. So we need you to cater to them. So what we've done is create this marketing scheme based on barbies, that will have all the little girls loving you. Put on these crazy clothes and do these voices so the media will take notice. And sell sex sex sex"
Then when they sell crazy, the artist gets a little control. Starts being the real person. Notice she doesn't do ANY of that anymore. And notice her sales because of that. And then the label is like "told you so. But you can't go back now. So goodbye"
There are billions involved. These labels ain't letting you take their money and wing it. You better adjust to that target audience and stat sheets nikka
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Thats my issue with these type of threads. It's just generalIzing. .no names are being said.
Sure if you think 30yr rappers should rap about family life, kids/mortgage etc thats fine. But I can name you just as many 28yr+ who aint dealing with those things. Not sure about your community but def mine.
So just because they dont rap about family life does not equate to them purposely dumbing down for teenagers.
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Also now that I think about...what alot of nikkas grew up on effects what they rap about.
You think all them rappers from the 80's & 90' spitting that conscious/black power steeze was really bout that
They moreso rapped about it because its what they grew up on.
Rap the last 20+yrs has been centered mainly seeing clubs/hoes/hustle. So when thats what you hear its probably gone be hard to break that habbit
Random test if you in ya crib, start spitting a freestyle. More than likely its gonna be centered around topics artists you listen to be on.
You think all them rappers from the 80's & 90' spitting that conscious/black power steeze was really bout that
They moreso rapped about it because its what they grew up on.
Rap the last 20+yrs has been centered mainly seeing clubs/hoes/hustle. So when thats what you hear its probably gone be hard to break that habbit
Random test if you in ya crib, start spitting a freestyle. More than likely its gonna be centered around topics artists you listen to be on.
You right, the labels are even more to blame, but the artists have to take responsibility too, cause it's optional.
That's exactly what goes on, label pressure exploiting people. You see the type of artists they looking for they often put an "Eminem type"or a "Drake type" or whatever bullshyt is the fad/trend at the moment.
Back in the day when they commercialized Hip Hop there were less sellouts so they could only go so far with it, nowadays any punk will sell out in a second with no talent and the people will still buy it cause the years of conditioning the naive public has worked. Back in the day it wouldn't have been accepted or supported so to make money from Hip Hop they had to accept some shyt the way it is. Now they can sign any talentless puppet to happily prostitute themselves for paper while excluding the ones with substance and rebelliousness that doesn't suit their agenda. What you said about how it goes down is accurate.
People said mad names.
Also it's not about that, it's about deliberately dumbing down to an embarrassing level.
This, the other part correct too.
The Devil's Advocate
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I've dropped names as have others.
But you're right. Not everyone is going through these things. I guess what we are saying is, where's the balance?
Radio dudes will tell you, radio is marketed to teens and women. Same with music. There's a statistical reason as to why your first rap single better be about women or clubbing 99% of the time.
So when we see who's the stars of this gen. And see 80% balling, fukking hoes, hitting the club type rappers. And 20 % of real situation rappers.... Well we gotta ask who is this for? Cause most nikkas ain't doing it. And most nikkas aren't hyping up the singles and rushing to buy records first week. That's women and kids
Again. They in it to make money. Do what you do. It's the better choice for the quick buck. But let's not act like these dudes don't purposely talk slang, talk dumb, and use easy hooks and verses to pull in that target audience
The Devil's Advocate
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I think jay ruined rap with the "I'm not a rapper, I'm a hustler who knows how to rap"
Fact is, jay was lying lol. He was a rapper. He is a rapper. He takes pride in being a lyricist and the best rapper and wants the title of that and such
But it gave way to a legion of nikkas to say "man fukk this rap shyt. I'm here for money"
Turning this into a quick hustle for any idiot to do. Taking away any self worth cause you out here denying your own music. Saying being a rapper is basically wack, but it's cool if you was a hustler first and using it to get out
People have no pride in being the best. In gettig better. In writing that bar that gets the "woooooooooooo" sound from the crowd. In not selling out. In being a complete artist who can talk on all things
Now we get cookie cutter, "every song is a single" albums, that lack cohesion and substance. I'm all for a 20 song album with 5-7 radio joints. But this 20 song radio album shyt is for the birds. Literally
