"You got a bunch of 29/30 year olds trying to be acceptable to 16 & 15 year olds" - Chuck D

[Terrance Curtis Beasley]

meanwhile there's a new fake ass rapper, lying about being 23 when he's 29, talking about fukking bytches, hitting the club and dumbing down his words and lyrics to retard level.... trying to compete with the REAL young rappers for a spot

who?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Chill b. This is a bait thread.

The entire mainstream hip-hop is a fukking fraud. Broke rappers talk intelligence and realness cos that's their last resort, when you ain't poppin, of course you gonna preach "I was bout that street smarts anyways" shyt.

Once you get the chance to get some of that money, you're quick to jump on that 808 kick snap snare radio single.

Gotta pay the bills yo

then why don't they all do that then?

some people actually care about their integrity and artistry... you telling me every old rapper you could name... couldn't just go get a typical hot producer beat and grab 2 "hot" rappers and put it out??

even if it doesn't sell, you don't even see them attempting to do it.... you'll find a few who will swing for the crossover, but maybe a song or two...


we talking about these dudes being 28 and up, making full on albums, about shyt you supposed to do at 20... while living a life of family, wife, kids, and normal shyt.. but hop in the booth and turn into lil bow wow

 

[Drew Wonder]

Cause TOO MANY BLACK MEN feel thier justified in having a MID LIFE CRISIS

and sad to say its due to alot of women PROMOTING IT

Women wanting thier men to dress young....and act "youthful" Cause they dont wanna be with no "old fashioned geezer" unless he is a Sugardaddy

I see it all the time thats why we got so many women TAKING care of men

And they wonder why HE NEVER GROWS UP

are ya'll capable of taking responsibility for ANYTHING without shifting the blame towards black women?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

who?

all the nikkas on the radio constantly... the list would be shorter to list who's not.. here's a few


2 chains - 40 or damn near..... got a degree but how he sound when he rap... what he rap about? anything about a degree, going to school, or doing something smart on the streets?? nope

nicki - 30 or damn near... worried about her barbies, which are a bunch of young girls.... raps about fukking nikkas, how bad she is, how much money she got.... does she rap anything about women empowering themselves, educating themselves, or not being dependent on a man.... nope


drake/wayne - late 20s/early 30s... both rapping bout being thugs but been famous since 12.... rap about getting fukked up on all sorts of shyt, how they crew is so gutter, how many bytches they can fukk, how they killers and move dope and might have to catch bodies..... do they rap about anything, any normal 20-30 is doing.... nope



then we can just skip down to all the cookie cutter rappers on the radio...

and mind you it ain't just RAPPING.... its EVERYTHING


why you 40 and still sagging your tight jeans with a fitted and a bubble coat... nikka you 40, dress 40... nah you wanna dress young and hip

why you 40 doing back to school concerts? what kind of fans you think are showing up for that?

why you 30 and lying about your life? hiding that you got a woman and a baby... cause you don't want the young thots to stop fukking with you






like i said, it doesn't have to be black militant... it can just be good music for grown up folks


i don't think jay is chasing teens... he's talking art and tom ford and put away the jerseys and walking around in suits and shyt... kendrick makes radio songs but the song and lyrics don't come off as some teeny bopper dance record... j. cole ain't even old and making grown up music... joe buddens makes grown up music. call him emotional but he deals with real life issues. 3000 ain't making that kiddy shyt... lauren hill wasn't making that kiddy shyt...


shyt look at wiz and look at currency.... two "weed" rappers... one dancing around, dressing homo, dying his hair purple, doing college tours, chasing them kids dollars.... the other just making music, riding around in old schools, not dumbing it down

 

[Drew Wonder]

Chuck D was 29 when Fight The Power dropped, I guarantee you there were mostly people younger than him buying their shyt. Young people 15-25 are always gonna be the biggest consumers of rap and pop, who else has time to look for new shyt, and who else doesn't think stuff from 15 years ago was better? You'll go broke appealing to older people with kids, jobs, and an attitude that everything was better in their senior year of highschool

that was moreso a case of younger people gravitating towards more mature, thought-provoking music than older rappers catering to a younger crowd. Public Enemy has always made grown folks music. It's just that the delivery was so dope and the beats were so hard that the younger generation still fukked with it

 

[Wild self]

"I'm just normal and everything else has slipped a notch"

So much shyt is dumbed down it's normal to be a dumb ignorant backwards ass motherfukker now.

Thankfully we have people like Chuck D to represent.

We need young MCs that think like Chuck D and not like Young Thug

Our society is dumbed down to the point where you see 40 year olds still chasing their rap dream.

 

[southpawstyle]

It was uploaded to youtube 5 years ago...the clip itself is closer to 15 yrs old

Still relevant tho

Its relevant but I bet everyone in here was thinking specific rappers today when Chuck D was talking about their old favorites

 

[Wild self]

Problem is the older rappers aren't making age appropriate hip hop for their age mates..lot of grown ass men in the industry, but no grown ass man hip hop anywhere to be found.

Rick Ross, 2 Chainz, Birdman and all them cats in their late 30s-late 40s still popping bottles in the club and still talk about balling out like a early 20 something. Embarrassing.

Cause TOO MANY BLACK MEN feel thier justified in having a MID LIFE CRISIS

and sad to say its due to alot of women PROMOTING IT

Women wanting thier men to dress young....and act "youthful" Cause they dont wanna be with no "old fashioned geezer" unless he is a Sugardaddy

I see it all the time thats why we got so many women TAKING care of men

And they wonder why HE NEVER GROWS UP

That is true, but the problem with being black and the good genetics, is that some nikkas downplay their age and think that just because they LOOK young, they can still act a fool and still be cool.

that quote to me explains what happened with rap music and why i became ambivalent. i still like stuff but the critics made me lose hope. what happened is that they tried to ghettoise intelligent rap, called it "conscious" and made it unsexy. that right there was horrible. and as we can see with the biggest relevant rappers today and how pitchfork and complex suck off certain lowest common denominator rap.

They intetionally done this to downplay the Black Power movement in Hip Hop and did their best to erase Public Enemy from the history books. Even many of these older 90s rappers that were on that street shyt never mention Public Enemy, but always give props to BIG/Pac like they the only ones that were relevant.

No doubt, I feel you. That's the thing it's a systematic plan, that's why you hear all the bullshyt clichés, about trying to kick knowledge, irrelevant, rappity rap, lyrical miracle and all this BULLshyt. It's like you are trying to discredit dopeness, skill or content, YES we can be critical of dudes who aren't doing it right or are psedo intellectual but there's a lot of credible lyrical substance filled artists. The average dumb rap fan doesn't even realize how they'e being used as a tool and a puppet. They will say shyt like conspiracy theory or hater or any of this bullshyt when it's factual information. The artists themselves have said the pressure they have been put under to make certain types of records. I know for a fact myself a lot of things about major labels, as like a fact, it's not a debate because I've seen and heard the shyt. I KNOW artists that have been on majors and pushed certain ways. There's nuff stories of this bullshyt, just ask Saigon. So people sell out for those 30 extra pieces of silver, that they don't need cause we can be comfortable without selling out. It's still there the real music but we got to start talking about it, making threads about the real shyt on here, supporting it, financially, word of mouth, in every way IF we want to make a difference. I know I do cause it matters to me and I'm real about it. And exactly it's all about trends and what's pop when Hip Hop origin is COUNTER culture not following the mainstream, the mainstream hated on Hip Hop. Hip Hop is anti establishment (if it's corrupt) not endorsing it, cruel capitalism wasn't Hip Hop's essence at all, even though there's entrepreneurial elements and aspects to the culture, very much so, but it's about collective unity not greed and ruthlessness. But for real, that's exactly it, they deliberately try to outcast it and make people flock to the lowest common denominator to make people see Hip Hop and black people AS that even it isn't true of both.

nikkas done sold out their integrity for some money to floss out. Some of them don't even help their own people who are broke.

Not to say he wrong...but name all these 30+ rappers who are purposely making music for 15/16yr olds

Too many. The radio is filled with them, but they act like they 21.

The point of the whole shyt is that "nikkas on the block/ratchet hoes" culture is 12-16 year old shyt, which it is. Rappers are amongst the fakest people on the planet. Rap has been ignorant for so long now since the late 90s that the children that were influenced by that shyt have grown up and are making dumbed down music for impressionable children now, molding them to ultimately go backwards in society. My favorite point in the video is that he said "I'm not deep, I'm not even being deep, 20-30 years ago this would just be called common sense".

The "street" shyt is just hyped up 808s and bass tracks that talk about ignorant shyt. The blind leading the blind.

 

[Mike Otherz]

They intetionally done this to downplay the Black Power movement in Hip Hop and did their best to erase Public Enemy from the history books. Even many of these older 90s rappers that were on that street shyt never mention Public Enemy, but always give props to BIG/Pac like they the only ones that were relevant.

whats messed up about what happened is that, some of the people who contributed to this travesty, are not the people i would have suspected. of course the cac music industrial complex did its thing, that is to be expected, but going back and reading reviews of PE's music from the late 80's and early 90's, you see a lot of black critics who have OG cred now, but who were shytting on PE at the time. Armond White, Greg Tate, Toure. I was shocked to read Greg Tates review of It Takes A Nation, that shyt was not the rave that i would have expected. same as Armond White. he turned on PE after they had the griff situation after his jewish comments blow up. Armond was an Ice Cube hater up until Predator album. Toure who i know no one respects, but he was a pretty important music journalist at the time, shytted on PE in rolling stone.


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/19...bum-s-sales-public-enemy-album-s-release-date

basically a lot of self consciously black experts on culture shytted on PE and helped with the transition into BS rap mainstream culture we have today. that may not have been their intention, but they certainly wasnt protective of the folk music aspects of rap music as they now claim to be. fact is, there were black media sell outs who helped with the degradation of the music.

Toure was on Melissa Harris Perry this weekend talking about how rap went from native tongues to sell out with MTV and i'm like dude, you were part of the problem. shytting on PE etc when they had the crown. you helped MTV wrestle control away from them to cats like dre and snoop ( who i love) and all that came after.

 

[Mike Otherz]

whats messed up about what happened is that, some of the people who contributed to this travesty, are not the people i would have suspected. of course the cac music industrial complex did its thing, that is to be expected, but going back and reading reviews of PE's music from the late 80's and early 90's, you see a lot of black critics who have OG cred now, but who were shytting on PE at the time. Armond White, Greg Tate, Toure. I was shocked to read Greg Tates review of It Takes A Nation, that shyt was not the rave that i would have expected. same as Armond White. he turned on PE after they had the griff situation after his jewish comments blow up. Armond was an Ice Cube hater up until Predator album. Toure who i know no one respects, but he was a pretty important music journalist at the time, shytted on PE in rolling stone.


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/19...bum-s-sales-public-enemy-album-s-release-date

basically a lot of self consciously black experts on culture shytted on PE and helped with the transition into BS rap mainstream culture we have today. that may not have been their intention, but they certainly wasnt protective of the folk music aspects of rap music as they now claim to be. fact is, there were black media sell outs who helped with the degradation of the music.

Toure was on Melissa Harris Perry this weekend talking about how rap went from native tongues to sell out with MTV and i'm like dude, you were part of the problem. shytting on PE etc when they had the crown. you helped MTV wrestle control away from them to cats like dre and snoop ( who i love) and all that came after.

i mean, in that article, people are accusing PE of beeing too old when chuck was only 34.

 

[Wild self]

that's their fanbase tho... there's a universal problem with rap... that problem is the 30 year old fan

who's making music that a 30 year old can relate to? about life? goals? women? jobs? family? etc... 1-2-3 rappers maybe? yet there's a whole entire, and bigger, amount of fans that are over 30... but they aren't getting music made for them... nah they gotta go "find" it or go underground


meanwhile there's a new fake ass rapper, lying about being 23 when he's 29, talking about fukking bytches, hitting the club and dumbing down his words and lyrics to retard level.... trying to compete with the REAL young rappers for a spot



i can't blame rappers... well i can.... but if you telling me "make real music for your age... but you gonna sell 10k copies" or "take this mustard beat, talk about the haters and hoes at the club, and you can sell 300k"


well i'm not sure i'd say fukk you, and try to make it on my own... it's gonna be 100 times harder to break in AND stay in, when the crowds stay the same age, but your content gets higher and higher

These rappers today be chasing that shyt, and they still be broke. Some people c00n for free now.

 

[Wild self]

whats messed up about what happened is that, some of the people who contributed to this travesty, are not the people i would have suspected. of course the cac music industrial complex did its thing, that is to be expected, but going back and reading reviews of PE's music from the late 80's and early 90's, you see a lot of black critics who have OG cred now, but who were shytting on PE at the time. Armond White, Greg Tate, Toure. I was shocked to read Greg Tates review of It Takes A Nation, that shyt was not the rave that i would have expected. same as Armond White. he turned on PE after they had the griff situation after his jewish comments blow up. Armond was an Ice Cube hater up until Predator album. Toure who i know no one respects, but he was a pretty important music journalist at the time, shytted on PE in rolling stone.


http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/19...bum-s-sales-public-enemy-album-s-release-date

basically a lot of self consciously black experts on culture shytted on PE and helped with the transition into BS rap mainstream culture we have today. that may not have been their intention, but they certainly wasnt protective of the folk music aspects of rap music as they now claim to be. fact is, there were black media sell outs who helped with the degradation of the music.

Toure was on Melissa Harris Perry this weekend talking about how rap went from native tongues to sell out with MTV and i'm like dude, you were part of the problem. shytting on PE etc when they had the crown. you helped MTV wrestle control away from them to cats like dre and snoop ( who i love) and all that came after.

Yup, and you even have Sticky Fingaz talking shyt about Chuck D, acting like what he did for Hip Hop was irrelevant. Some of these old heads have guilt in them because they contributed to the demise of the mainstream presence of black power music. Even many of these 90s MCs were on that anti-PE train, but complaining now that they can't get on because the young generation is too metrosexual . Little did they know that getting rid of PE and groups like them was the first step of corporate influences and the demise of masculinity, as a whole.

 

[prophecypro]

GOAT

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

These rappers today be chasing that shyt, and they still be broke. Some people c00n for free now.

yea but like most young, they don't see it yet

you can make 30k and live ok... you can make 30k and live a rapper life


but when you hit 65 and need to retire, do you have the money??

for rappers, when you hit about album 3-4, unless you a megastar... you better start scaling it down and looking for your second, third and fourth check... get you a label or something cause it's over and you probably didn't save for shyt



it's also funny these new rappers get famous, get a release, make money, get dropped, go broke...... but these same "bitter, mad, hating" dudes from the 80s-90s still got dough, doing shows, and living in their means, 30-40 years later

take it for what you want...

 

[Wild self]

yea but like most young, they don't see it yet

you can make 30k and live ok... you can make 30k and live a rapper life


but when you hit 65 and need to retire, do you have the money??

for rappers, when you hit about album 3-4, unless you a megastar... you better start scaling it down and looking for your second, third and fourth check... get you a label or something cause it's over and you probably didn't save for shyt



it's also funny these new rappers get famous, get a release, make money, get dropped, go broke...... but these same "bitter, mad, hating" dudes from the 80s-90s still got dough, doing shows, and living in their means, 30-40 years later

take it for what you want...

Yeah, these young rappers and "show money" don't know shyt about saving and increasing their financial profolio. Just living for the moment and living beyond their means.