Yahoo Sports: “A closer look at MJ’s 1988 DPOY raises questions about its validity”
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Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
What a reach. You’re asking me to provide tape when the author didn’t lol. You want to make it about me showing a specific number of videos available instead of questioning why the author didn’t provide video. If he “watched” a “30 year old vhs tape” then why couldn’t he also take the clips that illustrate what he’s saying post them for everyone?
Uhh that’s the point.Nobody ever retroactively went to the past to rewrite past accomplishments of older playersto prop up a player from a modern era. Nobody took away from Oscar to boost Magic. Nobody took away from Elgin to boost Bird. This didn’t happen until the Lebron/Klutch agenda popped out… And if you try to cap then why the did the author single MJ out while throwing Lebron in the title and his failure of not getting a DPOY?
RoCKetSity256
All Star
Im not asking for the authors tape because no one with credibility has denied it. Players have basically confirmed it, media and journalists have confirmed it and stat keepers have confirmed it. The only 1s who deny it are fans of mj. Im asking you to provide what you said is so readily available but i know its not readily available im proving a point by asking you to show something you say is so easy to find but i know you cant show it to us because its not available like you say.
The author said he got the idea because of Jaren Jacksons monster defensive season. Who has statistically the best defensive season in history? to my knowledge it was mj before it was exposed to be fugazi.
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Tell people how many steals Alvin Robertson averaged home vs away...
Mistyped. Meant that Nick was a consultant to the author. I knew it was the Tom character because I saw a video where he was on NBA Jump using certain stats to show how Dirk was a better clutch shooter than Kobe and Kobe hisself was iverrated. But those same stats showed Rudy being a better clutch shooter than both yet when TMac asked him doesn’t that mean Rudy is better in the clutch than both (and the rest of the league) he started stuttering. What it showed was that he was presenting stats to push an agenda not to actually come to an conclusion…
one just like on every other false claim you're making.
Because the 1988 NBA pace of 100.6 is one that has never once been matched in LeBron's career.
Excuses. In the same era, Dwayne who was 4-5 inches shorter and probably had a shorter vert averaged 2 and 1…
Knock it off. One with pretending MJ was just a gambler on defense and not a great defender.On top of that, as everyone has already pointed out to you, just gambling for steals and blocks doesn't make you a good defender. And MJ was openly doing that all season.
That shyt happens all the time.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Go back to your Flat Earth and fake Hotep circles, that's a better fit for your cognitive abilities.
And 2 with off topic ad hominems. One more time, if you want to discuss those topics open a thread. You won’t. You’ll only bring it up to throw people off of the current topic being discussed. It’s like an atheist mocking a Muslim for following “Allah” in a thread about tennis. You’re only bringing it up to deflect. Pathetic..
Btw who were people downing to elevate Magic/Bird?
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
People who think Michael Jordan is the greatest are not going to be moved by this information. So the idea coming from Jordan fans that this is a “LeBron conspiracy” to put him over MJ it’s quite stupid. Nothing here is going to have me put LeBron over MJ. No one reading this is going to say. “Hmmmm… I now have LeBron over MJ as a result of reading this article.” 
Nor has anyone said “see! This proves that Lebron is the GOAT.” Its the same dudes creating these scripts rather than examining whats shown.
Weird as fukk.
Nor has anyone said “see! This proves that Lebron is the GOAT.” Its the same dudes creating these scripts rather than examining whats shown. Weird as fukk.
Charly Wingate
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Continuing attempts to diminish Jordan’s accomplishments and competition won’t ever sway the public’s opinion to put Bron over Mike. The only thing this accomplishes is opening Pandora’s box to analyze LeBron’s stats. It’s nikkas on YouTube already cookin up that.
Klutch getting desperate
Klutch getting desperate
NYC Rebel
...on the otherside of the pond
Continuing attempts to diminish Jordan’s accomplishments and competition won’t ever sway the public’s opinion to put Bron over Mike. The only thing this accomplishes is opening Pandora’s box to analyze LeBron’s stats. It’s nikkas on YouTube already cookin up that.
Klutch getting desperate
Again… No one is going to say “I now change my mind. LeBron is the best.l” as a result of this article.
That is you guys creating fantasy.
Breh, give it up. Everyone can see you didn't even read the article. You claimed that Nick Wright wrote the article and chose that title, so don't lie and claim it was a "mistype", why the fukk would a "consultant to the author" choose the title of the article? On top of that, the entire article was about how Jordan was jealous of Michael Cooper winning DPOY the year before, and you falsely though Alvin Robertson had won it the year before. Then you lied and claimed that Alvin Robertson had a greater home-road discrepancy when the fact that MJ had the greatest home-road discrepancy in DPOY history was a major point of the article and broadcast in a full graphic.
And in your last comment, you didn't even realize that Robertson played 150 more home minutes than road minutes in his DPOY season, so he SHOULD have had a tilt towards higher home #'s. Whereas Jordan actually played 63 more minutes on the road than at home, which makes his record-high home bias even more ridiculous. That was in the article too, which is why he uses per-36...but you didn't read it.
You're not just making one false statement after another, you making errors so major that no one who had any clue what was going on would say them. You saw that MJ might lose a little luster and you just went off half-cocked.
Go back to the Flat Earth threads, at least there your ignorance was entertaining.
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Charly Wingate
All Star
First is was he’s the goat because he beat the greatest regular season team of all time in the Finals, then it was because he won 3 chips with three different franchises, next it was because the bubble was the “most difficult” championship of all time & since he passed Kareem in all time points he’s the goat. Now it’s because no 40 year old is doing what he’s doing. What’s next?Again… No one is going to say “I now change my mind. LeBron is the best.l” as a result of this article.
That is you guys creating fantasy.
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Pathetic that your level of judging truth from a lie is whether other people deny it or support it..
This is an irrelevant argument. If games aren’t easily findable then its even a bigger reason as to why Tomcat should have provided the footage he claims he saw.
Well Hakeem had a season where he averaged 4.6 blocks and 2 steals. And his home vs away stats were spaced out as well. So again, if other players were getting higher stats at home vs what they got when away then why was Jordan singled out? What does Bron failing to win DPOY have to do with anything concerning that other than making an excuse for Lebron and bringing MJ down a step?
So I repeat, the difference between MJ and Brons accomplishments is KDs top 3 SF hall of fame career. You’re going to have to do a lot more than take away 1 DPOY to make them even appear close…
RoCKetSity256
All Star
You lied you said the games were easily available online and the reporter cherry picked the games he wanted your theory was fiction you made up in your mind. That tells me youll say anything to defend a point whether its a lie or not. If something comes out disputing what the reporter said ill take it into consideration. For now pippen said it before it was reported so i made a logical decision to believe the reporterPathetic that your level of judging truth from a lie is whether other people deny it or support it..
This is an irrelevant argument. If games aren’t easily findable then its even a bigger reason as to why Tomcat should have provided the footage he claims he saw.
Well Hakeem had a season where he averaged 4.6 blocks and 2 steals. And his home vs away stats were spaced out as well. So again, if other players were getting higher stats at home vs what they got when away then why was Jordan singled out? What does Bron failing to win DPOY have to do with anything concerning that other than making an excuse for Lebron and bringing MJ down a step?
So I repeat, the difference between MJ and Brons accomplishments is KDs top 3 SF hall of fame career. You’re going to have to do a lot more than take away 1 DPOY to make them even appear close…
Everythingg
King-Over-Kingz
Why won’t you bring his discrepancy in steals so everyone can see?
Yea that’s how Klutch rocks. Retroactively go back and find ways to denigrate past players or era so Lebron looks better
Who was denigrated to elevate Magic and Bird again?
I did already.
Robertson had 62 more steals at home than on the road in his DPOY year, but also played 150 more minutes at home so it's expected his home #'s would be somewhat higher.
Jordan had 71 more steals at home than on the road in his DPOY year, despite playing 63 fewer minutes at home than on the road.
When you account for per-36, it's clear that Robertson's season was egregious, but Jordan's was even worse.
Notice that MJ stans have been reduced to "Sure, perhaps the home cooking was horrible, perhaps it was far worse than usual, but it wasn't the worst in history. There was that one guy Robertson once whose home cooking was even worse!"
Then they can't even win that argument, cause Jordan's home-cooking in 1988 was still even worse than Robertson's.
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First is was he’s the goat because he beat the greatest regular season team of all time in the Finals, then it was because he won 3 chips with three different franchises, next it was because the bubble was the “most difficult” championship of all time & since he passed Kareem in all time points he’s the goat. Now it’s because no 40 year old is doing what he’s doing. What’s next?
Don't forget the ones who called him a GOAT because he's the leading scorer in NBA history, or the ones who called him a GOAT cause he led all players in all five box score stats for an entire Finals, or the ones who called him a GOAT because he made the All-NBA team for 20 consecutive years (youngest-ever selection AND oldest-ever selection), or the ones who called him a GOAT because he plays all five positions, or the ones who called him a GOAT because he's made the Finals with some of the worst rosters ever (three times), or the ones who called him a GOAT because he's the best all-around player ever, or the ones who who called him a GOAT because he has the most playoff wins ever, or the most playoff game-winners ever, or the most playoff buzzer-beaters ever.
It's absolutely disgusting how they seem to keep coming up with more and more of these every year.
Don't forget the ones who called him a GOAT because he's the leading scorer in NBA history, or the ones who called him a GOAT cause he led all players in all five box score stats for an entire Finals, or the ones who called him a GOAT because he made the All-NBA team for 20 consecutive years (youngest-ever selection AND oldest-ever selection), or the ones who called him a GOAT because he plays all five positions, or the ones who called him a GOAT because he's made the Finals with some of the worst rosters ever (three times), or the ones who called him a GOAT because he's the best all-around player ever, or the ones who who called him a GOAT because he has the most playoff wins ever, or the most playoff game-winners ever, or the most playoff buzzer-beaters ever.
It's absolutely disgusting how they seem to keep coming up with more and more of these every year.