Yahoo Sports: “A closer look at MJ’s 1988 DPOY raises questions about its validity”

[RoCKetSity256]

I don’t have an opinion on this weak shyt. I was trying to tell you where you can find the games. This Klutch story has more red flags than North Korea

You cant find the other 35 home games on youtube I already know this but you evidently dont. If you dont have an opinion on it then why would you be going back and forth about it?

 

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You cant find the other 35 home games on youtube I already know this but you evidently dont. If you dont have an opinion on it then why would you be going back and forth about it?

I like to see y’all Bron stans pressed, don’t really care about the story

 

[RoCKetSity256]

I like to see y’all Bron stans pressed, don’t really care about the story

Nah you been in here juelzin for Mj you definitely care. Its ok whatever lie helps you sleep well tonight is alright by me.

 

[Everythingg]

Ive already said i believe other guys back then received "home cooking" so i dont get why you guys keep saying otherwise? Link the other 35 1988 bulls home games. Show us you know what youre talking about. im basing my thoughts off of logic nobody with any credibility says the man is lying only mj fans. Pippen spoke on this in his book BEFORE the report was ever done. Journalists acknowledge it was happening and stat keepers acknowledge it was happening. The only 1s denying this are MJs fans.

So if it’s widespread, and the DPOY winner the year before had a higher differential, then what was his point of singling out MJ while including Lebron in the title and also bringing in his failed attempt at getting DPOY in 2012(when Gasols numbers were better) if it’s not about downing one to boost up another? So you mean a former Miami/Lebron reporter knew that home cooking was done all around the league but only singled out MJ then brought up Lebron by chance?

And why would I have to bring anything? He had 41 games to make his point and happened to choose6 that there’s no readily available tape of? Shouldnt you be asking HIM, why he didn’t use any 6 of the 35 other games that had visual evidence to support his claims instead of running to Eastern Europe to get a tape from 40 years ago(while not releasing any footage)?

All this is beyond defending MJ. I’m not a grown man that is a fan of other grown men. But people are becoming more and more tired of the Klutch agenda that pushes down the past to make Lebron look better. And that’s why Nick Wright was involved because he’s one of the biggest culprits of that. And the Bron agenda is just one facet of the overall media that pushes agendas on unsuspecting people all the time. It’s just now with independent media becoming more popular than the corporate media, people are getting hip to different agendas that are pushed. In the end, the Klutch agenda pushing, pointing blame on others when he loses but him giving total credit when he wins, and downing those that came before him is only gonna make the goof look worse in the long run.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

And why would I have to bring anything? He had 41 games to make his point and happened to choose6 that there’s no readily available tape of? Shouldnt you be asking HIM, why he didn’t use any 6 of the 35 other games that had visual evidence to support his claims instead of running to Eastern Europe to get a tape from 40 years ago(while not releasing any footage)?

The other 35 home games arent available to watch like you think they are. Youre just saying that because you think it is.They have to be the full game to be able to verify 100%. you may find bits and pieces of certain games but you cant find many of the full games online. Thats why im telling you and the other guy to show us the links. The reporter is using those 6 games specifically because those are the 6 he could find that where full games. You cant go search up whole seasons worth of full games from the 80s because unless someone recorded it themselves and uploaded to the internet they all arent available. Im sure the nba has quality footage of many years back then but for whatever reason they dont publish it all to the internet. Probably trying to find the best way to profit from them. So im telling you to prove what youre saying is right. Show us the links to all the 1988 bulls home games that you say are readily available online to have verified like he did the other 6 full games. Showing us those links will give credibility to the theory youre claiming. But if you cant then that means youre wrong he didnt cherry pick anything he just used what was available to him.

 

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Nah you been in here juelzin for Mj you definitely care. Its ok whatever lie helps you sleep well tonight is alright by me.

What did I say about the article itself?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

So if it’s widespread, and the DPOY winner the year before had a higher differential, then what was his point of singling out MJ

You're a liar. Cooper had more steals on the ROAD than at home the year before, dumbass.

OP link showed the #'s for every year and found, "Dating back to 1982-83 when the award was established, Jordan’s home-vs.-away disparity in combined blocks and steals represents the largest of any Defensive Player of the Year award winner in NBA history." That's for total #'s AND % both, and it wasn't even close.

Why do you always build your arguments on lies?

But people are becoming more and more tired of the Klutch agenda that pushes down the past to make Lebron look better.

There's the conspiracy theory again.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

86-87 jordan should of won dpoy


There’s no case for Michael cooper over jordan

86-87 over Cooper

Jordan stans just went full retard.



The '87 Bulls were a 40-42 team that finished 11th in defensive rating and MJ wasn't even a GOOD defender that year, much less a great one. Yeah, he gambled a lot, but gambling on steals doesn't make you a good defender and his #'s there were still mad inflated (30 more home steals than road steals).

Michael Cooper was a FAR better defender than Jordan in 1987, and everyone in the league knew it. He didn't need inflated stats to make his case. Maurice Cheeks and Dennis Johnson were better perimeter defenders than MJ too. If not Cooper, it should have been Mark Eaton who led Utah to the #1 defensive rating in the league while averaging 4.1 blocks/game. Or Hakeem, who led his squad to the #3 defense in the league while averaging 3.4 blocks and 1.9 steals a game and not really having any good defenders alongside him. Even Jack Sikma (the lynchpin of the #2 defense in the NBA with 1.7 blocks and 1.7 steals a game) deserved consideration LONG before Jordan does.

MJ didn't get a single vote for the All-Defensive Team that year and these Bron haters are trying to crown him the DPOY.

 

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Jordan stans just went full retard.



The '87 Bulls were a 40-42 team that finished 11th in defensive rating and MJ wasn't even a GOOD defender that year, much less a great one. Yeah, he gambled a lot, but gambling on steals doesn't make you a good defender and his #'s there were still mad inflated (30 more home steals than road steals).

Michael Cooper was a FAR better defender than Jordan in 1987, and everyone in the league knew it. He didn't need inflated stats to make his case. Maurice Cheeks and Dennis Johnson were better perimeter defenders than MJ too. If not Cooper, it should have been Mark Eaton who led Utah to the #1 defensive rating in the league while averaging 4.1 blocks/game. Or Hakeem, who led his squad to the #3 defense in the league while averaging 3.4 blocks and 1.9 steals a game and not really having any good defenders alongside him. Even Jack Sikma (the lynchpin of the #2 defense in the NBA with 1.7 blocks and 1.7 steals a game) deserved consideration LONG before Jordan does.

MJ didn't get a single vote for the All-Defensive Team that year and these Bron haters are trying to crown him the DPOY.

I agree that Cooper was the better defender and deserved the Dpoy in 87 cause even though MJ had better advanced defense stats everyone who watched the game knew it. Fast forward to 88 and MJ was the best perimeter defender in the NBA and was awarded Dpoy and everyone who watched the game knew it.

If Lebron had done what he was supposed to do in the NBA then y’all Bron stans wouldn’t have to dig for scraps to measure him up against Jeffrey.

 

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Jordan stans just went full retard.



The '87 Bulls were a 40-42 team that finished 11th in defensive rating and MJ wasn't even a GOOD defender that year, much less a great one. Yeah, he gambled a lot, but gambling on steals doesn't make you a good defender and his #'s there were still mad inflated (30 more home steals than road steals).

Michael Cooper was a FAR better defender than Jordan in 1987, and everyone in the league knew it. He didn't need inflated stats to make his case. Maurice Cheeks and Dennis Johnson were better perimeter defenders than MJ too. If not Cooper, it should have been Mark Eaton who led Utah to the #1 defensive rating in the league while averaging 4.1 blocks/game. Or Hakeem, who led his squad to the #3 defense in the league while averaging 3.4 blocks and 1.9 steals a game and not really having any good defenders alongside him. Even Jack Sikma (the lynchpin of the #2 defense in the NBA with 1.7 blocks and 1.7 steals a game) deserved consideration LONG before Jordan does.

MJ didn't get a single vote for the All-Defensive Team that year and these Bron haters are trying to crown him the DPOY.

You sound like a fukkin idiot

Ooooo lakers with their 7th rated defense was so great man stfu and I ain’t replying

If jordan wasn’t a good defender then wtf was Michael cooper he literally leads in every damn category. What a terrible post

 

[Everythingg]

You're a liar. Cooper had more steals on the ROAD than at home the year before, dumbass.

Oh meant Alvin Robertson 2 years before Jordan. Emotional ass nikka

OP link showed the #'s

And another poster posted numbers that showed different players from different eras having higher home numbers than away numbers. And that’s to similar and greater percentages than MJ had. So why did the author Klutch agent Nick Wright single out MJ and throw Lebron in the title if not to down one player to prop up another?

And we can throw out the home numbers, because just with the away numbers he still averaged 2 steals and 1 block. Lebron has never done that. We take away the DPOY also and the difference between what MJ accomplished and what Lebron has accomplished is still the hall of fame career of KD. That’s how far MJs career is ahead of Lebrons. So the only thing Klutch can do is go back in the past and search high and low for ways to bring MJ down. It’s pathetic.

There's the conspiracy theory again.

Broussard has said that he is signed with Klutch. He also said Klutch sent out emails to promote Bron (again not AD who actually played both sides of the ball) as MVP. SAS AND K Perkins said Rich Paul complains to them when they say something about Bron they don’t like. It’s clear they work behind the scenes to push Bron. Call them conspiracy theorists if it makes you feel better.

At the end of the day no one retroactively went to Magic and Bird to throw shots at their greatness as a way to boost MJ. Nobody went back to Kareem and threw shots at his greatness to boost Shaq. Nobody went back to MJ to throw shots as a way to boost Kobe. That only happened with Bron. And that’s all he can do because he can’t accomplish the close the gap (career of KD) before he retires. So all he has is longevity which is most likely supported with BALCO PEDS. His reputation will only go downhill from here and I’m here for it

 

[Everythingg]

The other 35 home games arent available to watch like you think they are. Youre just saying that because you think it is.They have to be the full game to be able to verify 100%. you may find bits and pieces of certain games but you cant find many of the full games online. Thats why im telling you and the other guy to show us the links. The reporter is using those 6 games specifically because those are the 6 he could find that where full games. You cant go search up whole seasons worth of full games from the 80s because unless someone recorded it themselves and uploaded to the internet they all arent available. Im sure the nba has quality footage of many years back then but for whatever reason they dont publish it all to the internet. Probably trying to find the best way to profit from them. So im telling you to prove what youre saying is right. Show us the links to all the 1988 bulls home games that you say are readily available online to have verified like he did the other 6 full games. Showing us those links will give credibility to the theory youre claiming. But if you cant then that means youre wrong he didnt cherry pick anything he just used what was available to him.

The reporter didn’t show or bring anything yet you’re asking me to bring something lol.

Lebron is so far behind MJ that Klutch has to make hit pieces about the era he played in or what he did or didn’t do. Take away the home stats and he still averaged 2 steals and 1 block while also averaging 35 pts a game while playing 40 mins.

I’ll repeat, (MJs career) - (LBJs career) = KDs career.

If you want to make that gap of KDs career closer, you have a long way to go (the 3rd best SF of all time ways away). Questioning the DPOY ain’t gonna cut it…

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You sound like a fukkin idiot

Ooooo lakers with their 7th rated defense was so great man stfu and I ain’t replying

Lakers had a backcourt of Magic/Scott that was extremely weak defensively, Worthy was mid and 40yo Kareem was an immobile traffic cone inside. So how the fukk do you think the Lakers managed the 7th-best defense in the league if Cooper wasn't elite?

But you're right, a great perimeter defender doesn't have all that large an impact on team defense. That's even MORE reason why Hakeem, Ewing, Eaton, etc. were far more deserving candidates than Jordan.

Cooper could only have so much impact, and he STILL had a bigger impact defensively than '87 Jordan did.

If jordan wasn’t a good defender then wtf was Michael cooper he literally leads in every damn category. What a terrible post

If you post a list of shyt that has almost NOTHING to do with good perimeter defense, what do you think you've proven? Do you really know so little about perimeter defense that you think that list of nothing showed anything about Jordan's defensive skill in '87?

You don't even know what "defensive win shares" are are you're using them as proof of something.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

The reporter didn’t show or bring anything yet you’re asking me to bring something lol.

Lebron is so far behind MJ that Klutch has to make hit pieces about the era he played in or what he did or didn’t do. Take away the home stats and he still averaged 2 steals and 1 block while also averaging 35 pts a game while playing 40 mins.

I’ll repeat, (MJs career) - (LBJs career) = KDs career.

If you want to make that gap of KDs career closer, you have a long way to go (the 3rd best SF of all time ways away). Questioning the DPOY ain’t gonna cut it…

The reporter had to use someones 30 year old vhs tapes. You say the other 35 games are readily available online . Well just prove it show us the links so we can see how credible the theory you claiming is. Or dont and we'll know you just pulling anything out of thin air to save mj. Show us you know what your talking about. And like i said earlier that you keep overlooking. Even without the juiced stats I cant argue mj wouldnt have won the dpoy still. I was only 7 in 88 i didnt understand basketball back then id have to watch for myself now and understand rather than echo someone elses opinion like some are doing in here because they younger than me. The only thing the report proved is that people cheated for mj and makes you wonder what else would/did they do behind the scenes if we know theyll cheat for him when they thought no one could prove it.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Oh meant Alvin Robertson 2 years before Jordan. Emotional ass nikka

Alvin Robertson had 62 more steals and 26 more blocks at home in 1986, which comes out to 153% more at home than on road (per-36).
Michael Jordan had 71 more steals and 37 more blocks at home in 1988, which comes out to 182% more at home than on road (per-36).

Jordan's gap was the largest for any DPOY in history:

So you're STILL making shyt up. Every claim you make is like this, I have to go through cycle after cycle of exposing your lie, only to have it replaced by a new lie which has to be exposed.

And another poster posted numbers that showed different players from different eras having higher home numbers than away numbers. And that’s to similar and greater percentages than MJ had.

That poster filled the list with players who hardly had any steals that year (usually just 25-30 on the road) which causes all sorts of random fluctuations from year to year. Normal small number fluctuation that anyone who understands math knows about. I already responded to that and showed that of the top-100 steals seasons, the ones with #'s that are actually relevant, only TWO had as big a road-home gap as Jordan. He's a huge outier.

I also showed that when you compare career #'s, only ONE player in NBA history had as large a home-road steals gap as Jordan, and his 1988 season alone was 1/3 of that gap.

Why are you ignoring all of that?

So why did the author Klutch agent Nick Wright single out MJ and throw Lebron in the title if not to down one player to prop up another?

You never know what you're talking about, Tom Haberstroh wrote the article. Plus titles are chosen by editors, not authors, so it's Yahoo! Sports that picked that title and they did it to drive engagement and threads like this, not out of some super top secret conspiracy to promote LeBron.

Let's see how many times you move the goalposts on this one just like on every other false claim you're making.

And we can throw out the home numbers, because just with the away numbers he still averaged 2 steals and 1 block. Lebron has never done that.

Because the 1988 NBA pace of 100.6 is one that has never once been matched in LeBron's career. That's why the entire league averaged nearly 9 steals and over 5 blocks a game in that era, but averaged just over 7 steals and less than 5 blocks in Bron's era. It's a 10% difference in stats on pace alone and another 5-10% cause teams were so loose with the ball back then.

On top of that, as everyone has already pointed out to you, just gambling for steals and blocks doesn't make you a good defender. And MJ was openly doing that all season.

At the end of the day no one retroactively went to Magic and Bird to throw shots at their greatness as a way to boost MJ. Nobody went back to Kareem and threw shots at his greatness to boost Shaq. Nobody went back to MJ to throw shots as a way to boost Kobe. That only happened with Bron.

That shyt happens all the time.

You really have no idea what you're talking about. Go back to your Flat Earth and fake Hotep circles, that's a better fit for your cognitive abilities.