Yahoo Sports: “A closer look at MJ’s 1988 DPOY raises questions about its validity”

[Everythingg]

The NBA furnished him with his own propaganda minister in Ahmad Rashad.

There’s a difference between MJ using a friend to do interviews with and Lebron planting analysts to talk down on other contemporary players and players from past eras to boost hisself up. Rashad never did that.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

Cope babble. The stats show that there were lesser players that got more home cooking than MJ did and you ignore it all to say it was all about boosting Jordan. And some of those boosts are even in the same era

And you also ignore that the writer used 6 games that “coincidentally” can’t be found on the internet and can only be found (remember “coincidentally”)on some Euro cacs tapes (allegedly). In other words it’s Klutch babble. Tear down the past to make Lebron look better. That’s why his name was in the title…

First youre lying I never said it was all about Mj and ignored everyone else. Mj just happens to be the 1 exposed for it. 2nd It seems to me only the mj fans are the 1s coping. First they said it didnt happen then when they found out it was happening they said everyone was doing it. 3rd we got Pippen saying it happened in so many words, other journalists and even stats keepers themselves acknowledging it happened. Cheating aint changing any1s views on the Goat debate If you had mj the goat you arent saying he isnt now and vice versa for any other goat contender. The fact of the matter is they cheated for mj and it came to light whether you like it or accept it. I havent seen anyone with any credibilty deny they cheated for mj only mj fans.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Whoever made that chart either doesn't understand small number variance, or is purposely pretending not to in order to make a disingenuous point.

If you have a low # of steals, then your chances of the home/away difference being a large % goes way up just due to random variance. With a small sample size, the variance in % is going to be much greater than with a large sample size. That's why nearly all the players ahead of MJ have just 25-30 road steals.

The # of players who had numbers in MJ's ballpark and still had as large a variance is much, much lower. Notice that only TWO players in NBA history had a bigger raw number home/road steal differential than '88 MJ did. There were 104 times in NBA history where a player managed at least 188 steals (which is what MJ would have if his home #'s were the same as his road #'s), but only 3 of those 104 instances had as big a home-road gap as MJ got.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

There’s a difference between MJ using a friend to do interviews with and Lebron planting analysts to talk down on other contemporary players and players from past eras to boost hisself up. Rashad never did that.

The fact that you claim to be a Flat Earther and say Black people are native to North America make this very on-message for your fake posting persona.

 

[Everythingg]

First youre lying I never said it was all about Mj and ignored everyone else. Mj just happens to be the 1 exposed for it. 2nd It seems to me only the mj fans are the 1s coping. First they said it didnt happen then when they found out it was happening they said everyone was doing it. 3rd we got Pippen saying it happened in so many words, other journalists and even stats keepers themselves acknowledging it happened. Cheating aint changing any1s views on the Goat debate If you had mj the goat you arent saying he isnt now and vice versa for any other goat contender. The fact of the matter is they cheated for mj and it came to light whether you like it or accept it. I havent seen anyone with any credibilty deny they cheated for mj only mj fans.

If everybody was getting boosted then what is the authors point? Trying to take down MJ a step to make the gap between his career and Lebrons (again that gap equals the career of KD) closer? Also, how can anyone prove him wrong when he “happened” to choose 6 games that no one can pull up on the internet?

The only reason this was brought up was to bring MJ down a step and that’s why Brons name is part of the title. What you call “cope” is actually people getting tired of Klutch pushing agendas thru the media by downing the past to push up Bron. Even with the NBA pushing MJ, they didn’t do it to the expense of others or the past…

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Then everyone benefited from “cheating” not just jordan.

100% false.



LeBron has more ROAD steals than home steals for his career. So does Draymond Green, Paul George, Kevin Garnett, and Clyde Drexler. Durant is exactly even between home and road, and Kawhi has just 20 more at home than road.

Curry, CP3, Iggy, Kidd, Iverson, Pierce, Artest, and Malone have about 40-60 more home steals than road steals, which is damn close to even.

Kobe, Stockton, Pippen, and Westbrook are worse, but are still around 100 more steals at home for their career.

Payton (140), Blaylock (160), and Hakeem (170) are even worse than them.



But the only players in NBA history with a documented gap over 200 seem to be Michael Jordan (224) and Alvin Robertson (295). And a full 1/3 of Jordan's gap was in that DPOY season, when he announced before the season started that his steals #'s should make his DPOY case. Most other seasons he was consistently getting about 20 extra steals at home (that's an extra steal every-other game, which is still wild), but that one season he got SEVENTY extra steals at home, damn near 2 extra steals for every home game.


It's almost as if the data shows that home cooking was far worse in Jordan's era, was the worst for star players chasing defensive accolades like Jordan was, and was worse in Jordan's and Robertson's DPOY years than in almost any other season by any other player.

 

[Everythingg]

The fact that you claim to be a Flat Earther and say Black people are native to North America make this very on-message for your fake posting persona.

Typical. You can’t address the actual topic so you deflect to other topics that you also cant address.

To the topic, Ahmad Rashad wasn’t on TV talking down on Bird or Magic to boost up Lebron. That’s what Klutch agents do all the time.

 

[ISO]

I can't believe this bs is this many damn pages. How many assists did Bron get credit for he didnt have. Or steals? This is not new. Pippen hoe azz talkin bout he would tap the ball and MJ would catch it and get credit for the steal. N1gga u didn't have possession, MJ did. Fukk outta here.

MJ da goat. Fukk who doubts it.

 

[RoCKetSity256]

If everybody was getting boosted then what is the authors point? Trying to take down MJ a step to make the gap between his career and Lebrons (again that gap equals the career of KD) closer? Also, how can anyone prove him wrong when he “happened” to choose 6 games that no one can pull up on the internet?

The only reason this was brought up was to bring MJ down a step and that’s why Brons name is part of the title. What you call “cope” is actually people getting tired of Klutch pushing agendas thru the media by downing the past to push up Bron. Even with the NBA pushing MJ, they didn’t do it to the expense of others or the past…

Im pretty sure they didnt think someone checking Jaren Jacksons defensive stats for his dpoy would lead to giving someone the idea to check mj's. If Jaren Jacksons numbers pushed people to check for "home cooking" no reason to think that wouldnt give someone else the idea to check 1 of MJs greatest defensive seasons. Jaren's season passed the test though and unfortunately MJs didnt. Im also pretty sure if they could get more footage theyll check those games too. hopefully those games will get uploaded to the net since its such a big topic right now. But even if they dont we already have confirmation from players media and scorekeepers that it was happening so it still doesnt change anything.

 

[skylove4]

This should be one of the biggest stories in the media. If they caught these few lies imagine how much other crazy shyt was done in order to prop up Mike and whose to say he or “somebody” didn’t pay road guys too or for how long

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Typical. You can’t address the actual topic so you deflect to other topics that you also cant address.

I can't address what you said because it's a completely made-up conspiracy claim with zero evidence of it ever happening.


When you claimed that everyone had benefitted from home cooking, I destroyed that claim with actual numbers. But when you claim that LeBron is secretly giving instructions to an entire web of agents across the league to talk bad about all his historical rivals, that idiocy is impossible to refute, because you don't have a single incident of it EVER happening. Not once has anyone ever shown LeBron to ever tell anyone he's associated with to talk bad about Jordan or any other player.


What you do to support your stupid theory is:

* Claim that everyone who says something negative about Jordan is "Klutch", even when they're not (like the article in this thread)
* Claim that everyone who is "Klutch" is negative towards Jordan and ignore every time they praise him
* Ignore all evidence to the contrary

The stupidity of your conspiracy theory here isn't as stupid as your claims that the earth is flat or that Black people are native to North America. But your thinking is just as illogical in each one. Your entire gig on here is to be a fake Hotep idiot spouting the stupidest conspiracy theories on every topic that could make posters here look dumb (except when it comes to capitalism and you turn straight into a Heritage Foundation loving college boy again, which is likely closer to your real life persona).

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I can't believe this bs is this many damn pages. How many assists did Bron get credit for he didnt have. Or steals? This is not new.

Bron has more road steals than home steals for his career, and on multiple occasions has had stats officially reduced by the NBA because haters go over his game tapes and alert the NBA if they find a single stat incorrectly recorded.

NBA takes away LeBron James' triple-double vs. Pelicans

LeBron James was mistakenly credited for an extra assist on Monday, so he didn't actually have a triple-double.

www.cbssports.com

Around the NBA: Triple-double taken away from LeBron James

Upon further review, the Cavs are quite confused how the NBA took an historic triple-double away from LeBron James. And at least as far as Mo Williams is concerned, it’s yet another disrespectful act…

www.sj-r.com

Pippen hoe azz talkin bout he would tap the ball and MJ would catch it and get credit for the steal. N1gga u didn't have possession, MJ did. Fukk outta here.

MJ da goat. Fukk who doubts it.

The tape shows MJ getting credit for all sorts of steals where he never had possession, just deflection. So deflection counts if MJ does it, but only possession counts if Pippen does it?

That's probably why Jordan has 224 more home steals than road steals, and Pippen only has 100 more home than road, even though Pippen played over 100 more games than Jordan played.

 

[fifth column]

Im pretty sure they didnt think someone checking Jaren Jacksons defensive stats for his dpoy would lead to giving someone the idea to check mj's. If Jaren Jacksons numbers pushed people to check for "home cooking" no reason to think that wouldnt give someone else the idea to check 1 of MJs greatest defensive seasons. Jaren's season passed the test though and unfortunately MJs didnt. Im also pretty sure if they could get more footage theyll check those games too. hopefully those games will get uploaded to the net since its such a big topic right now. But even if they dont we already have confirmation from players media and scorekeepers that it was happening so it still doesnt change anything.

The rest of those games other than the “euro vhs 6” are on the internet. Go watch them and report back

 

[Professor Emeritus]

BTW, the statistician finally reviewed that 6th game in the Yahoo article and officially counted 16 false steals attributed to MJ.

The same number that the article counted and with the same number of turnovers.

"But the article is cap! "

At this point, anyone who denies the reality is hopeless. They're jumping through every hoop they can to deny or excuse the fact that Jordan CLEARLY had to engage in stat padding and home cooking to make a DPOY case that season.

 

[fifth column]

This should be one of the biggest stories in the media. If they caught these few lies imagine how much other crazy shyt was done in order to prop up Mike and whose to say he or “somebody” didn’t pay road guys too or for how long

He might of paid the other 6 teams to lay down in the finals too, who knows