Yahoo Sports: “A closer look at MJ’s 1988 DPOY raises questions about its validity”

[Long Live The Kane]

Did you read the article?

The year before Jordan won DPOY and his defensive stats were cooked ...he openly whined about not getting credit as a defender and was jealous of Michael Cooper.

It's literally within the first couple of paragraphs of the story.



In 1986-87, Jordan’s third season in the league, he was incensed that coaches left him off the All-Defensive teams even though Jordan became the first player in NBA history to register at least 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season. In particular, it irritated Jordan that Michael Cooper of the Los Angeles Lakers won Defensive Player of the Year in 1986-87, garnering 25 of the 78 votes, while Jordan received just one.

Jordan made sure his discontent was known. In an 18-page Sports Illustrated feature in which SI writer Curry Kirkpatrick entrenched himself inside Jordan’s growing empire, the Chicago Bulls star expressed deep resentment about his lack of recognition. In particular, Jordan called out the voting contingency about its apparent disregard for box-score statistics like blocks and steals.

“Michael Cooper is great at ball denial,” Jordan told SI. “But check his other stats. This league gives defensive awards on reputation. It just tees me off.”

This just creates more space for that additional jump in logic to cover. He didn’t win DPOY the previous season despite being already statistically dominant because according to him the voters don’t hold defensive counting stats in high regard…so the additional 0.3 steal per game advantage over the next guy he got the next year by his home stat keeper is the reason he won DPOY in ‘88? So let’s go back 40 years into the past and devalue the award because a bunch of geeks a generation removed are upset Lebron never won one ?

fukk outta here

You’re deadass in here trying to pretend randomly auditing season awards from 4 decades looking for shyt to nitpick because it’s something lebron never accomplished is normal, non psychotic behavior

 

[Dwight Howard]

This is like finding out Santa isn't real for some of these dudes. They cope by blaming the Klutch boogieman.

Case in point:




The utterly egregious 2X disparity in home/road stats, the fact that no other player in NBA history has a seasonal spike even remotely close, the fact that this season is a massive outlier within Jordan's own career is nothing to see here folks. Just stannery

Where is the proof MJ won that DPOY based off his steal numbers? He could've had league average steals and won, his defense was impactful anyway you spin it. Guys like Iverson, steph curry, and baron davis lead the league in steals and were never considered great defenders. The idea that inflated stats means his defense was overrated doesn't hold up

 

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This just creates more space for that additional jump in logic to cover. He didn’t win DPOY the previous season despite being already statistically dominant because according to him the voters don’t hold defensive counting stats in high regard…so the additional 0.3 steal per game advantage over the next guy he got the next year by his home stat keeper is the reason he won DPOY in ‘88? So let’s go back 40 years into the past and devalue the award because a bunch of geeks a generation removed are upset Lebron never won one ?

fukk outta here

You’re deadass in here trying to pretend randomly auditing season awards from 4 decades looking for shyt to nitpick because it’s something lebron never accomplished is normal, non psychotic behavior

He wasn't "dominant" tho. Certainly not in the years prior to 88.
He was pretty good. But in no way whatsoever the predominant defender in the game.

He doesn't win the DPOY, whines about it like a motherfukker in a nationally distributed media outlet...and then the next year has the single greatest outlier of defensive stats in NBA history...

And you're gonna pretend you don't see the point here and pretend this is some way to prop up Lebron? What?

I don't even know if the technology exists to remove Jordans dikk and balls from your throat.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

He wasn't "dominant" tho. Certainly not in the years prior to 88.
He was pretty good. But in no way whatsoever the predominant defender in the game.

He doesn't win the DPOY, whines about it like a motherfukker in a nationally distributed media outlet...and then the next year has the single greatest outlier of defensive stats in NBA history...

And you're gonna pretend you don't see the point here and pretend this is some way to prop up Lebron? What?

I don't even know if the technology exists to remove Jordans dikk and balls from your throat.

Bruh I don’t have to pretend anything…the geek that wrote the fukking article gave the game away in the byline for the piece he decided to attach to it when he blasted it to the world…there’s no guesswork about intents required





“It’s unfair that Lebron doesn’t have a DPOY..:so I did some hackneyed bullshyt deep dive on why Jordan’s shouldn’t count 40 years after the fact “

He’s not even giving the pretense that this is anything but pathetic stanwork, why are you trying to for him?

 

[Sleepy Floyd]

These folks went back and watched the games breh. If you think he still deserved the award then thats what you think but they juiced the stats up and thats not the same as playing better at home.

36 years later some jealous randoms want to take Jordan's award away because he was too good

 

[RoCKetSity256]

36 years later some jealous randoms want to take Jordan's award away because he was too good

so at 1st its wrong then you wanna blame the folks who found it for finding it?

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

Did you read the article?

The year before Jordan won DPOY and his defensive stats were cooked ...he openly whined about not getting credit as a defender and was jealous of Michael Cooper.

It's literally within the first couple of paragraphs of the story.



In 1986-87, Jordan’s third season in the league, he was incensed that coaches left him off the All-Defensive teams even though Jordan became the first player in NBA history to register at least 200 steals and 100 blocks in the same season. In particular, it irritated Jordan that Michael Cooper of the Los Angeles Lakers won Defensive Player of the Year in 1986-87, garnering 25 of the 78 votes, while Jordan received just one.

Jordan made sure his discontent was known. In an 18-page Sports Illustrated feature in which SI writer Curry Kirkpatrick entrenched himself inside Jordan’s growing empire, the Chicago Bulls star expressed deep resentment about his lack of recognition. In particular, Jordan called out the voting contingency about its apparent disregard for box-score statistics like blocks and steals.

“Michael Cooper is great at ball denial,” Jordan told SI. “But check his other stats. This league gives defensive awards on reputation. It just tees me off.”

Jordan was the original

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

Jordan definitely got the home field advantage.

Even during the dunk contests

 

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Bruh I don’t have to pretend anything…the geek that wrote the fukking article gave the game away in the byline for the piece he decided to attach to it when he blasted it to the world…there’s no guesswork about intents required





“It’s unfair that Lebron doesn’t have a DPOY..:so I did some hackneyed bullshyt deep dive on why Jordan’s shouldn’t count 40 years after the fact “

He’s not even giving the pretense that this is anything but pathetic stanwork, why are you trying to for him?

If you read the article you would know that the genesis for this whole thing was Nick Van Exel.

But you didn't read the article.
Right?

 

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This is the same writer BTW

Is Bronny James underrated? Inside the phenomenon of the NBA bloodline

Klutch been on a krusade lately

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Folks in here saying "they do this for every star", "they do this for Lebron", "this is apart of the game" are being disingenuous. The data shows that the disparity in steals and blocks in home games compared to road games for MJ's DPOY season was not just astronomical compared to his peers, but astronomical compared to every DPOY of the past 40+ years.

And no, this type of thing doesn't happen today. Like I said, folks were calling JJJ stats fraudulent and it's nowhere near as much of a disparity for him than compared to MJ. That's because the game is much more closely covered and easily accessible now. There are several avenues for fact-checking, from YT to Twitter to network television, etc. The author of this article had to contact some MF in Eastern Europe to get some tapes to watch these games from the 87 season.

Not to mention that the road-home game stat disparity is far lessened today compared to 40 years ago.

And not only astronomical compared to his peers, but astronomical compared to MJ himself. In all the seasons after his DPOY campaign ended, his split disparity returned to normal.

Anyway, home cooking for stats that don't directly impact the final score and/or cause a change in possession (steals, blocks) in pre-internet days is probably the least shocking shyt ever so all the angry 80s babies in this thread acting like they've been personally insulted because a myth from their childhood got some stank on it need to put their thinking cap on tight

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Now on the flipside, Nick Wright's goofy ass is straight up lying, as the two games he cited were clearly stated in the article to NOT have had turnover counts that fell below the steals count. I hate that clown distorting the convo for his agendas.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

You really think man got over 70 MORE STEALS at home than playing on the road?


Even with that graph that shows how much of a difference there was between him and the other top steals leaders in the league?


That don't sound suspect to you?

Here's another split I found:

Bulls opponent turnovers at home: 15 TO
Bulls opponent turnoverse on the road: 14.6 TO

MJ Home Steals: 4 SPG
MJ Road Steals: 2.2 SPG

So how does the Bulls' opponent TO count only jump up by .4 at home, but Jordan's steal count jumps up by 1.8

 

[jaydawg08]

Here's another split I found:

Bulls opponent turnovers at home: 15 TO
Bulls opponent turnoverse on the road: 14.6 TO

MJ Home Steals: 4 SPG
MJ Road Steals: 2.2 SPG

So how does the Bulls' opponent TO count only jump up by .4 at home, but Jordan's steal count jumps up by 1.8

Cause any lose ball or steal gets credited to Jordan in order to prop up the star and get him what he wants, which is #’s for a DPOTY

I’ve always felt that old school stat keeping was pretty suspect, but not this bad

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Cause any lose ball or steal gets credited to Jordan in order to prop up the star and get him what he wants, which is #’s for a DPOTY

I’ve always felt that old school stat keeping was pretty suspect, but not this bad

Yeah that's what I mean, I was being coy lol