X-Men: Dark Phoenix Official Thread (2018)

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El Villano Ingobernable said:
Crazy how this franchise had a major spark when it started, only for it to go out on a dud. :wow:
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In reality though, they were fukking up the franchise from the very first movie. People were just so glad to see X-MEN so they overlooked it.
 
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X-Men: Dark Phoenix Is a Bigger Bomb than Josh Trank's Fantastic Four

In a bizarre twist of fate, Josh Trank's Fantastic Four (2015) reboot won't go down as 20th Century Fox's worst-performing superhero film after all. Thanks to a quick mathematics course by Forbes' Scott Mendelson, we now know it's very likely X-Men: Dark Phoenix will go down as a bigger box office bust than the critically-panned Fant4stic.

The last of the X-Men films will likely finish its theatrical release grossing just over $250 million worldwide against a reported $200m budget. It should be noted because of an additional promotional and marketing budget and the wonders of Hollywood accounting, films generally need to at least double their budget to be considered profitable, and Dark Phoenix is finishing with less than 1.25x its production budget. Fantastic Four, on the other hand, earned $167m worldwide against a $120m budget. That means the film ended up earning 1.39x its production budget, just a bit more than the last of the 20th Century superhero flicks.

Since the film's release, Trank has been very candid about his role in the film during impromptu Q&A sessions with fans on Twitter. Even prior to its debut, news of on-set troubles surfaced, which the filmmaker directly responded to in the press tour ahead of the film.

"People are religious about comics the way people are religious about the Bible," Trank said. "But I think it's true for a lot of movies that you can take license with adapting the underlying material and you will be forgiven for it if it's good—and you will not be if it's bad."

"I made every single choice knowing that people would question it," he added. "And what better reaction than to have people then go see the movie and understand it and feel like maybe they've learned something about the world, to not question the next thing they think is going to be stupid or weird. I think that's my purpose right now in my life."

Either way, the live-action rights to both the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchise have now reverted to The Walt Disney Company and Marvel Studios, meaning the characters are set to join the Marvel Cinematic Universe sooner or later.
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Norrin Radd said:
X-Men: Dark Phoenix Is a Bigger Bomb than Josh Trank's Fantastic Four
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Like I said earlier, that's what they get for immediately rushing into the Dark Phoenix Saga thinking they knew better than the OG's who wrote the comics and made us care about the characters.

Let it burn. :demonic:

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Days of Future Piff said:
Like I said earlier, that's what they get for immediately rushing into the Dark Phoenix Saga thinking they knew better than the OG's who wrote the comics and made us care about the characters.

Let it burn. :demonic:

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In all fairness, this was a more faithful adaptation than Last Stand...and you really don't need much of a buildup for the Phoenix Saga. TAS did it in 4-5 22 min eps.
 
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nightwing2016 said:
movie was :trash:knew it was going
to be:trash: and glad I didn’t waste my money to watch it
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I didn't watch it either... I just stayed home and read the OG Dark Phoenix story in the comics instead.

These people really didn't get it AT ALL.



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In all fairness, this was a more faithful adaptation than Last Stand...and you really don't need much of a buildup for the Phoenix Saga. TAS did it in 4-5 22 min eps.
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I get where you're coming from. The only problem is that being more faithful than X3 isn't good enough. The 90s cartoon did a good job with the Dark Phoenix Saga, but their adaptation didn't happen until three and a half seasons into the show, so audiences already had plenty of time get emotionally invested in the characters by that point.

PLUS, they did a 5-episode adaptation Phoenix Saga first before doing the Dark Phoenix storyline. The Dark Phoenix Saga just doesn't work if they don't give us enough time to get to know the characters and really care about them (especially Scott and Jean).
 
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Days of Future Piff said:
I didn't watch it either... I just stayed home and read the OG Dark Phoenix story in the comics instead.

These people really didn't get it AT ALL.





I get where you're coming from. The only problem is that being more faithful than X3 isn't good enough. The 90s cartoon did a good job with the Dark Phoenix Saga, but their adaptation didn't happen until three and a half seasons into the show, so audiences already had plenty of time get emotionally invested in the characters by that point.

PLUS, they did a 5-episode adaptation Phoenix Saga first before doing the Dark Phoenix storyline. The Dark Phoenix Saga just doesn't work if they don't give us enough time to get to know the characters and really care about them (especially Scott and Jean).
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I said this in another thread, the dark Phoenix saga is a sequel story. You need the Phoenix saga for it to work. Can you watch empire strikes back, Godfather 2, or terminator 2 with out watching new hope, Godfather, or terminator 1 yes and they remain great movies but you miss out on all the nuances that really make the stories work and really makes them iconic.
 
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