Hooks are integral to all music. Hooks are part of the music. If it's substandard it should be called out.
Wu-Tang - A Better Tomorrow (12/2/14) - Album Discussion Thread(Stream)
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Hooks are integral to all music. Hooks are part of the music. If it's substandard it should be called out.
Is that a fact?
Yes. That is a fact. It's also true that Ghost called this his favorite Wu album after 36 and Forever and also admitted that he never even heard 8 Diagrams in full
Is that a fact?
yep, and after that was settled he picked 8 beats to spit on out of 22. im not gonna advertise for the album, if you don't like it that's fine. but im not trying to hear that shyt about Ghost's album, theres nothing Wu about it. the Revelations are decent at best producers
http://www.discogs.com/Various-Wu-Tang-Chamber-Music/release/1834334
they had all the duds, Lil Fame had the heat imo
They are important but the Miracle one doesn't make for a bad album. I've gotten used to that hook, it fits but it could be better.
Yes. That is a fact. It's also true that Ghost called this his favorite Wu album after 36 and Forever
He must still be on dust
Dusted out Ghostface though 
Honestly, I didn't even know who the Revelations were before this album but they're putting it down to me
ZEB WALTON
ayo! - BEZ
why does the singing on miracle bother so many people? not ever song has to be sung R n B style. shyt dont bother me AT ALL and yall complaining heavy about it
Listen, I realize its a diff leap into another direction for the clan, buit the way people are writing this album off is a travesty. people at teh forums at ughh.com are basically saying dont check it at all. I been bumping this shyt from the day it leaked, it slams in the car like rza drums always have, theres some great verses, etc. People are just being hipsters tryingt o be cool completely shytting ona decent album.
its a good record. these guys haventg made a true classic together in a long time. The way people are shytting on the RZA is crazy. Every classic associated to wu tang was produced by The RZA whetehr hes makking all beats or Dr Dre'in.
People hear Nathanial for a total of 1 min (@SoulController good point) and are writing the album off like they never heard a ghook like that before. Those nathanial hooks could be on any given record on the radio at any time. Aint noone copmplain when other guys got that sound on their shyt. Wu is held to the highest standard in hip hop because besides them, nas and jay, theres no MCs dropping GOOD-GREAT albums 20 years later. These guys have dropped so much GREAT material thats all everyone expects. This is a good album
Ruckus in b Minor
Keep Watch
Miracle
Necklace
A Better Tomorrow
Mistaken Identity
Never Let Go
Hold the Heater
Crushed Egos
Ron O'Neil
Felt
None fo these songs are BAD. All because the singing style on Miracle is different, dotn make it bad. The song is a beast. These are the same people who shyt on 8 diagrams for shyt like Stick Me for My Riches or Gun will Go... Wu has always used SINGING in their songs. They are older , its a good album. people neeed to sit back and just enjoy music instead of finding holes in everything. I stopped looking at music like taht eyars ago, then again I sample and make beats so Ic anlisten to singing liek Miracle and appreciate beautiful singing. All because it soudns like its a "disney" singing dotn mean its bad. Stop being embarassed at the redlight while bumping mircale in ya car. Its fukking music, some yalla cting like teh world just ended
Listen, I realize its a diff leap into another direction for the clan, buit the way people are writing this album off is a travesty. people at teh forums at ughh.com are basically saying dont check it at all. I been bumping this shyt from the day it leaked, it slams in the car like rza drums always have, theres some great verses, etc. People are just being hipsters tryingt o be cool completely shytting ona decent album.
its a good record. these guys haventg made a true classic together in a long time. The way people are shytting on the RZA is crazy. Every classic associated to wu tang was produced by The RZA whetehr hes makking all beats or Dr Dre'in.
People hear Nathanial for a total of 1 min (@SoulController good point) and are writing the album off like they never heard a ghook like that before. Those nathanial hooks could be on any given record on the radio at any time. Aint noone copmplain when other guys got that sound on their shyt. Wu is held to the highest standard in hip hop because besides them, nas and jay, theres no MCs dropping GOOD-GREAT albums 20 years later. These guys have dropped so much GREAT material thats all everyone expects. This is a good album
Ruckus in b Minor
Keep Watch
Miracle
Necklace
A Better Tomorrow
Mistaken Identity
Never Let Go
Hold the Heater
Crushed Egos
Ron O'Neil
Felt
None fo these songs are BAD. All because the singing style on Miracle is different, dotn make it bad. The song is a beast. These are the same people who shyt on 8 diagrams for shyt like Stick Me for My Riches or Gun will Go... Wu has always used SINGING in their songs. They are older , its a good album. people neeed to sit back and just enjoy music instead of finding holes in everything. I stopped looking at music like taht eyars ago, then again I sample and make beats so Ic anlisten to singing liek Miracle and appreciate beautiful singing. All because it soudns like its a "disney" singing dotn mean its bad. Stop being embarassed at the redlight while bumping mircale in ya car. Its fukking music, some yalla cting like teh world just ended
Great post.
i don't want to get into a Vs. thing in here, I wish Rae and Ghost the best on their new projects. they held it down on here, I enjoyed their verses
msg from Tekitha
I am honored and proud to say I am featured on #ABetterTomorrow on the title track of the album with the original vocals of soul legend Teddy Pendergrass...As with any family there may be complications and conflict but what will always remain is LOVE. The love for the art and love for each other. Lifting up my brothers today as they have reached another milestone in their over 20 yrs of building together. Congratulations to you all. I love you. #RZA #GZA #METH #RAE #GHOST #DECK #UGOD #MASTAKILLA #CAPPA #RIPODB
msg from Tekitha
I am honored and proud to say I am featured on #ABetterTomorrow on the title track of the album with the original vocals of soul legend Teddy Pendergrass...As with any family there may be complications and conflict but what will always remain is LOVE. The love for the art and love for each other. Lifting up my brothers today as they have reached another milestone in their over 20 yrs of building together. Congratulations to you all. I love you. #RZA #GZA #METH #RAE #GHOST #DECK #UGOD #MASTAKILLA #CAPPA #RIPODB
and you just reminded me to bump Stick Me For My Riches. I haven't listened to 8 Diagrams for a long while.
Ghost probably Top 3 for me, and after a spin, I found that album wild boring production wise. Made me appreciate ABT even more.
Im happy with this album. It aint amazing but I didnt expect that either. To be honest, Im just happy the Clan assembled for another go around, maybe RZA's ego can get in the way but I honestly dont trust any of them to spearhead a project at this point so Im glad he took charge once again.
Theres some great vintage material on here, and theres some so-so iffy stuff, but the message is always positivity and theres no pandering to the idiot masses on here either. This is a grown-up Wu album, for better or worse, and it could be A LOT worse than this...
Theres some great vintage material on here, and theres some so-so iffy stuff, but the message is always positivity and theres no pandering to the idiot masses on here either. This is a grown-up Wu album, for better or worse, and it could be A LOT worse than this...
It was actually pretty solid to me off of first listen
NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
some of the post discrediting this album are absurd 
. Dope beats and rhymes aren't enough for cats anymore? I thought that's what you wanted?
I wasn't the only cat in the line today with a WU cd in hand
. Dope beats and rhymes aren't enough for cats anymore? I thought that's what you wanted?I wasn't the only cat in the line today with a WU cd in hand
The War Report
NewNewYork
I'm not feeling the beats and dudes sound bored on the mic.