Writer's and Actor's Strike 2023: Aaaaand Scene...That's a Wrap!

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Damn, actors want 2% of streaming revenue :picard:
These nikkas want 2% of a guesstimated revenue by a 3rd party :skip:
Yo, whoever over the actors guild are idiots. How the hell are you gonna want a revenue share based on guesses? :mjgrin:
The 3rd party (Parot Analytics) says they bases their shyt on social media stuff? Like wtf type of suggestion is that. A clip of a show/movie can go viral and have no affect on streaming.
Negotiations between actors union SAG-AFTRA and the Hollywood studios hit a snag Wednesday over issues including the union’s demand that cast members receive a share of the revenue generated by streaming shows, according to sources close to the talks who were not authorized to comment.
Wednesday’s breakdown came amid rising tensions over a lack of compromises more than a week after the sides resumed talks in hopes of ending a months-long actors’ strike that has crippled Hollywood’s production economy and publicity machine.
Company executives have rebuffed the union’s demands to share streaming revenue, which would be in addition to existing residuals, at a time when legacy entertainment companies are still losing money on direct-to-consumer services as they try to transition away from the traditional pay-TV business.
SAG-AFTRA has long said it wants a 2% cut of streaming revenue. The company executives believe that’s not a realistic ask. The two sides are also struggling over how to reach a common ground on the use of generative artificial intelligence, which actors say represents a threat to their livelihoods.
Talks, which resumed on Oct. 2, have gone slowly. Company executives — including Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Bob Iger, Netflix Co-CEO Ted Sarandos, Warner Bros. Discovery CEO David Zaslav and NBCUniversal Studio Group Chairman Donna Langley have been attending the every-other-day sessions.
SAG-AFTRA President Fran Drescher has also been at the forefront of the talks.
SAG-AFTRA and the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, which represents major studios in negotiations with Hollywood labor groups, did not have a comment.
Film and TV actors have been on strike since mid-July. The actors guild is seeking greater compensation and higher residuals, in addition to revenue sharing and greater protections against the use of artificial intelligence to replicate a performer’s image and voice.
SAG-AFTRA had proposed using a content valuation tool from third-party data research firm Parrot Analytics to determine the amount of revenue generated by streaming programs and then studios would pay 2% of the revenue contribution for the program to actors.
But the AMPTP raised concerns about the proposal, voicing doubts about whether Parrot’s data showed a “demonstrable link to the actual revenue received by the service in the form of new or retained subscribers.”
Parrot bases its calculations on consumption through peer-to-peer services, social video, social media chatter and other metrics. A Parrot executive told the Times that the company believes its technology which captures that behavior is a good indicator of financial performance.
The AMPTP has argued that the actors’ proposal in particular is seeking rewards in the event of success without any additional risk from the performers, whereas the studios are taking big financial swings on high-budget productions that may not make any money.
SAG-AFTRA chief negotiator Duncan Crabtree-Ireland told the Times earlier this year that he disagreed. “Actors put a lot more risk into these projects than the executives who sit back and collect huge bonuses when these projects are successful,” he said.
The roadblock comes after some people in the industry had hoped that SAG-A
FTRA and AMPTP would reach a tentative agreement following the WGA members approving a new contract after striking for 148 days. The writers’ strike ended late last month, shortly after the guild and the studios reached an agreement that included higher pay, AI protections and viewership-based bonus payments for streaming shows.
 
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What's guesstimated about the revenue? Are the streamers not calculating their income?
They not asking the streamers for their numbers. They (SAG) proposed a 3rd party use social media engagment to guess revenue :russ:
SAG-AFTRA had proposed using a content valuation tool from third-party data research firm Parrot Analytics to determine the amount of revenue generated by streaming programs and then studios would pay 2% of the revenue contribution for the program to actors.
Parrot bases its calculations on consumption through peer-to-peer services, social video, social media chatter and other metrics. A Parrot executive told the Times that the company believes its technology which captures that behavior is a good indicator of financial performance.

Imagine the SAG union coming to Marvel talking about Morbius made 1B in revenue because the morbius meme went viral :skip:
 

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Talks suspended

I dont blame studios, SAG on bullshyt asking for streaming revenue based on guesses :manny:


 

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They not asking the streamers for their numbers. They (SAG) proposed a 3rd party use social media engagment to guess revenue :russ:
Probably cause the streamers refuse to share numbers. This goes to show why it's only fair they disclose the analytics/finances and stop keeping everything secret. They wouldn't have to rely on guesses if they played the same way as all the other distributors :manny:
 

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Probably cause the streamers refuse to share numbers. This goes to show why it's only fair they disclose the analytics/finances and stop keeping everything secret. They wouldn't have to rely on guesses if they played the same way as all the other distributors :manny:
WGA and Studios came to a deal with Streamers are sharing the streaming numbers and writers are getting residuals based on that. So they are willing to share the streaming numbers. They offered the same deal with pay based on streaming numbers that WGA/DGA accepted. Actors on bullshyt :manny:
 

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– Negotiations between the AMPTP and SAG-AFTRA have been suspended after SAG-AFTRA presented its most recent proposal on October 11. After meaningful conversations, it is clear that the gap between the AMPTP and SAG-AFTRA is too great, and conversations are no longer moving us in a productive direction.

SAG-AFTRA's current offer included what it characterized as a viewership bonus that, by itself, would cost more than $800 million per year – which would create an untenable economic burden. SAG-AFTRA presented few, if any, moves on the numerous remaining open item

Member company executives and AMPTP representatives met with SAG-AFTRA for five days over the past eight workdays. During that time period, AMPTP extended offers including:

• A first-of-its-kind success-based residual for High-Budget SVOD production.
• The highest percentage increase in minimums in 35 years, which would generate an additional $717 million in wages and $177 million in contributions to the Pension and Health Plans during the contract term.
• A 58% increase in salaries for major role (guest star) performers wages on High Budget SVOD Program.
• A 76% increase in High Budget SVOD foreign residuals for the four largest streaming service.
• Substantial increases in pension and health contribution caps, ranging from 22-33%, which will make it easier for performers to qualify for additional periods of health coverage and earn years of service toward a pension.
• Meeting nearly all of the Union's demands on casting, including guardrails around self-tapes, options for virtual and in-person auditions, and accommodations to performers with disabilities.
• Compensation adjustments of 25% for singers who dance and dancers who sing on camera in the same session, whether in rehearsal or photography, representing a 30% increase over current wages.
• Wage increases for stunt coordinators of 10% in the first year and outsized increases in years two and three, and giving television stunt coordinators fixed residuals for the first time ever.
• Substantial improvements in relocation allowance – a 200% increase if the performer is on an overnight location for 6 months. The relocation allowance would now be payable for every season in which the performer is on an overnight location (versus a current limit of two to four seasons).
• Substantial increases in Schedule F money breaks of between 11% and 41%. The 41% increase applies to one-hour television programs, which covers the largest number of productions done under the Agreement.
• A 25% increase in span money breaks.
• Covering performance capture work under the Agreement, which the Union has sought for 20 years.


• On AI protections:
• Advance consent from the performer and background actor to create and use Digital Replicas;
• No Digital Replica of the performer can be used without the performer's written consent and description of the intended use in the film;
• Prohibition of later use of that Replica, unless performer specifically consents to that new use and is paid for it; and,
• A "Digital Alteration" that would change the nature of an actor's performance in a role is not permitted without informing the performer of the intended alteration and securing the performer's consent.

On common issues, such as general wage increases, High-Budget SVOD residuals, and viewership bonuses, the AMPTP offered the same terms that were ratified by the DGA and WGA. Yet SAG-AFTRA rejected these.

We hope that SAG-AFTRA will reconsider and return to productive negotiations soon.
 

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WGA and Studios came to a deal with Streamers are sharing the streaming numbers and writers are getting residuals based on that. So they are willing to share the streaming numbers. They offered the same deal with pay based on streaming numbers that WGA/DGA accepted. Actors on bullshyt :manny:
So they're sharing with writers but not actors? I refuse to believe the actors are negotiating like this with all the streamer data at their disposal. Then again....writers do tend to be overall smarter than actors :lolbron:
 

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So they're sharing with writers but not actors? I refuse to believe the actors are negotiating like this with all the streamer data at their disposal. Then again....writers do tend to be overall smarter than actors :lolbron:

On common issues, such as general wage increases, High-Budget SVOD residuals, and viewership bonuses, the AMPTP offered the same terms that were ratified by the DGA and WGA. Yet SAG-AFTRA rejected these.
Writers just agreed to residuals based on viewership data. They gotta sign NDAs, but they get the numbers and get a bonus depending on viewership.
Actors want streamers to open the books and get 2% of all streaming revenue. Studios will never agree to open the books. Actors Guild Pres is an idiot:russ:
 

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Statement from SAG. Looks like they really coming for the revenue.
Dear SAG-AFTRA Members,
It is with profound disappointment that we report the industry CEOs have walked away from the bargaining table after refusing to counter our latest offer. We have negotiated with them in good faith, despite the fact that last week they presented an offer that was, shockingly, worth less than they proposed before the strike began.
These companies refuse to protect performers from being replaced by AI, they refuse to increase your wages to keep up with inflation, and they refuse to share a tiny portion of the immense revenue YOUR work generates for them. We have made big, meaningful counters on our end, including completely transforming our revenue share proposal, which would cost the companies less than 57¢ per subscriber each year. They have rejected our proposals and refused to counter.
Instead they use bully tactics. Just tonight, they intentionally misrepresented to the press the cost of the above proposal – overstating it by 60%. They have done the same with A.I., claiming to protect performer consent, but continuing to demand “consent” on the first day of employment for use of a performer’s digital replica for an entire cinematic universe (or any franchise project).
The companies are using the same failed strategy they tried to inflict on the WGA – putting out misleading information in an attempt to fool our members into abandoning our solidarity and putting pressure on our negotiators. But, just like the writers, our members are smarter than that and will not be fooled.
We feel the pain these companies have inflicted on our members, our strike captains, IATSE, Teamsters and Basic Crafts union members, and everyone in this industry. We have sacrificed too much to capitulate to their stonewalling and greed. We stand united and ready to negotiate today, tomorrow, and every day.
Our resolve is unwavering. Join us on picket lines and at solidarity events around the country and let your voices be heard.
One day longer. One day stronger. As long as it takes.
Your TV/Theatrical Negotiating Committee.

They never gonna bend on revenue imo. They know once they allow that, the percentage will continue to go up more and more each time they have to renegotiate.
 

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I don’t see why the actors deserve any of the revenue when they already get residuals based on the success of the project, IF they negotiate for it. So they want it all essentially? They want to be paid for the project, get residuals, and also revenue sharing? Seems kinda wild to me.
 
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