Writer's and Actor's Strike 2023: Aaaaand Scene...That's a Wrap!

[TDT]

What is going to stop these companies from just using ChatGPT

Fixed

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

TBH, I don't think Bill Maher said anything crazy in that clip. A lot of writers and actors do believe they deserve and are owed that lavish Hollywood lifestyle, for many it's the reason why they got into show business in the first place and they are not owed that. Some will get there and most will never have that life.

There's a lot of real gripes coming from the writers and actors though so for Maher or anyone to focus on "the other side of it" is dumb.

 

[O.Red]

what in the fukk are you talking about?

I was pretty clear

These movements always start with a singular issue, then "we want better pay and credit" turns into "and we want better schedules" then "and we need to save the whales....and we need to do something about China"

Focus gets spread in 30 different directions and the original movement fades out

Y'all don't remember Occupy Wall Street becoming a festival? BLM becoming a 100 million dollar lick?

 

[Red Shield]

I was pretty clear

These movements always start with a singular issue, then "we want better pay and credit" turns into "and we want better schedules" then "and get we need to save the whales....and we need to do something about China"

Focus gets spread in 30 different directions and the original movement fades out

Y'all don't remember Occupy Wall Street becoming a festival? BLM becoming a 100 million dollar lick?

Yeah... always losing focus and then energy trying to be everything to everyone

 

[Json]

Using that logic, releasing the streaming breakdown could end up hurting most actors and writers in terms of fewer projects.

Not really.

They are asking to be paid well if their series/ movies does well. Green lighting a Ryan Reynolds, Gadot, Rock movie for 200 million is on Netflix.

 

[mastermind]

I was pretty clear

These movements always start with a singular issue, then "we want better pay and credit" turns into "and we want better schedules" then "and we need to save the whales....and we need to do something about China"

Focus gets spread in 30 different directions and the original movement fades out

Y'all don't remember Occupy Wall Street becoming a festival? BLM becoming a 100 million dollar lick?

You talking about two different things.

BLM and Occupy got co-opted by capitalists,
not by a bunch of different interests who want similar things. Hence why one became a movement sponsored by the Walmart Foundation and the other became a Real Estate empire.

The Civil Rights movement had communists leading it, had a focus on women’s rights while also focusing on black political equality.

Getting a mass of people to work on a cause, like labor and higher wages in the creative industry, is how you have effective movements. Solidarity is important.

In Denmark, McDonalds entered the country and tried to undercut the standard wages of the country. Workers across the country striked in support to show solidarity because they knew their wages would be undercut. Now McDonalds workers in Denmark make 22.50 an hour.

McDonald’s Workers in Denmark Won Good Pay and Benefits Through Striking

In Denmark, McDonald’s workers receive $22 per hour and 6 weeks of vacation. But it’s not because Danish capitalists are more enlightened — it’s because, when McDonald’s entered the country in the 1980s, unions launched mass strikes and boycotts.

jacobin.com

When McDonald’s arrived in Denmark, the labor market was governed by a set of sectoral labor agreements that established the wages and conditions for all the workers in a given sector. Under the prevailing norms, McDonald’s should have adhered to the hotel and restaurant union agreement. But they didn’t have to do so, legally speaking. The union agreement is not binding on sector employers in the same way that a contract is. You can’t sue a company for ignoring it. It is strictly “voluntary.”

Naturally, this decision from McDonald’s drew the attention of the Danish labor movement. According to the press reports, the struggle to get McDonalds to follow the hotel and restaurant workers’ agreement began in 1982, but the efforts were very slow at first. McDonald’s maintained that it had a principled position against unions and negotiations, and press overtures were unable to move them off that position.

In late 1988 and early 1989, the unions decided enough was enough and calledsympathy strikes in adjacent industries in order to cripple the company’s operations. Sixteen different sector unions participated in the sympathy strikes.

Dockworkers refused to unload containers that had McDonald’s equipment in them. Printers refused to supply printed materials to the stores, such as menus and cups. Construction workers refused to build McDonald’s stores and even stopped construction on a store that was already in progress but not yet complete. The typographers’ union refused to place McDonald’s advertisements in publications, which eliminated the company’s print advertisement presence. Truckers refused to deliver food and beer to McDonald’s. Food and beverage workers that worked at facilities that prepared food for the stores refused to work on McDonald’s products.

In addition to wreaking havoc on the company’s supply chains, the unions engaged in picketing and leaflet campaigns in front of McDonald’s locations, urging consumers to boycott the company.

Once the sympathy strikes got going, McDonald’s folded pretty quickly and decided to start following the hotel and restaurant agreement in 1989.

This is why McDonalds workers in Denmark are paid $22 per hour.

 

[lib123]

Not really.

They are asking to be paid well if their series/ movies does well. Green lighting a Ryan Reynolds, Gadot, Rock movie for 200 million is on Netflix.

No my point is if streaming services release their overall numbers and they’re lower than investors expect, that could put downward pressure on streamers stock prices and result in overall budget cuts.

 

[The_Sheff]

Unless I'm missing them it's weird that the actors people know the most aren't there (Aziz, Rashida Jones, Amy Poehler, Chris Pratt, Nick Offerman).

 

[mastermind]

TBH, I don't think Bill Maher said anything crazy in that clip. A lot of writers and actors do believe they deserve and are owed that lavish Hollywood lifestyle, for many it's the reason why they got into show business in the first place and they are not owed that. Some will get there and most will never have that life.

There's a lot of real gripes coming from the writers and actors though so for Maher or anyone to focus on "the other side of it" is dumb.

thats not even what Maher said And he was wrong too.

If you are anti union, just say it.

 

[Json]

No my point is if streaming services release their overall numbers and they’re lower than investors expect, that could put downward pressure on streamers stock prices and result in overall budget cuts.

I got what your saying.

im saying it you’re paying Gal Gadot( zero time academy award winner) 20 million, maybe pay her that after the movie does 300 million hours of streaming and subs vs ballooning the budget 200 million upfront hoping people will tune in. Which is a main objective of both writers and actors.

you will save money that can go into other streaming projects.

 

[Ol’Otis]

This shyt still going

 

[lib123]

I got what your saying.

im saying it you’re paying Gal Gadot( zero time academy award winner) 20 million, maybe pay her that after the movie does 300 million hours of streaming and subs vs ballooning the budget 200 million upfront hoping people will tune in. Which is a main objective of both writers and actors.

you will save money that can go into other streaming projects.

Fair enough but that could end up backfiring for actors and writers.

 

[O.Red]

You talking about two different things.

BLM and Occupy got co-opted by capitalists,
not by a bunch of different interests who want similar things. Hence why one became a movement sponsored by the Walmart Foundation and the other became a Real Estate empire.

The Civil Rights movement had communists leading it, had a focus on women’s rights while also focusing on black political equality.

Getting a mass of people to work on a cause, like labor and higher wages in the creative industry, is how you have effective movements. Solidarity is important.

In Denmark, McDonalds entered the country and tried to undercut the standard wages of the country. Workers across the country striked in support to show solidarity because they knew their wages would be undercut. Now McDonalds workers in Denmark make 22.50 an hour.

McDonald’s Workers in Denmark Won Good Pay and Benefits Through Striking

In Denmark, McDonald’s workers receive $22 per hour and 6 weeks of vacation. But it’s not because Danish capitalists are more enlightened — it’s because, when McDonald’s entered the country in the 1980s, unions launched mass strikes and boycotts.

jacobin.com

One of the reasons these movements are always co opted and run by capitalists is because of the lack of focus

The civil rights movement was 70 years ago. Playbooks change

Your Denmark example makes my point for me. Looks like they remained focused on a singular issue and got a goal accomplished

 

[mastermind]

One of the reasons these movements are always co opted and run by capitalists is because of the lack of focus

The Focus isn’t due to having many different I interests in fighting by power. The writers trying to get video game workers on board to fight the owner class. They are aligning to fight against their owners.

In labor, it’s workers against the owners. That’s what this fight is about. It’s not fighting for the environment and voting rights and ending a war and fair wages. It’s saying, “yeah, let’s fight for wages.”

If American workers had a more solidarity mindset, we wouldn’t be getting fukked like we are.

And the Civil Rights movement playbook always works because it’s the playbook of workers movements throughout history.

 

[Json]

Fair enough but that could end up backfiring for actors and writers.

True, but if the system is already rigged.…No transparency, cancelled to avoid increases in salary, pulling content to avoid residua, small pay rates.


it kind of makes it hard to worry about future problem.

if Netflix and such just get to ascribe random values to streaming numbers and giving inflated budgets to big names with no quality control needs to reigned in. Businesses should be held to account by their investors. Not just lying by obscuring the reality