Writer's and Actor's Strike 2023: Aaaaand Scene...That's a Wrap!

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Diondon said:
So the people that brought us classics such as Witcher Blood Origins, Amazon LOTR and the last few years of Marvel crap
Movies and TV shows bombing left and right want more pay eh
You could get better writers in a high school drama class
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If Hollywood was really that unprofitable. They wouldn't be paying Executive crazy money, developing these streaming platforms ,making films with ridiculous budgets, or making films in general. Don't believe any Hollywood accountant wizardry.

Hollywood is making crazy money. The most that they have to do is If they drop an extra $20K on production for writers. Which they can easily do.

If they stop trying to only employ shyt writers on the cheap for big production that would be even better.


You think they spend "$200 million" on a production and get dollar general writers rest of that shyt. Nahhhhh... $200 Milly is either empty money or a bunch of bad deals thrown into it.
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You guys keep talking about writers being the issue, especially when it comes to tentpole movies and big IP franchises

I don't think you know how this shyt works...

Do you understand that once the script is out of the writer's hands, there are hundreds of decisions and changes that are made without their input?

You do understand that sometimes a writer can watch the final product and see things and hear things that they didn't write happen on screen?

Do you have any idea what the notes process is like on a script of any budget? Let alone a $200m movie?

Have you ever seen an email that contains a document with all of the notes from executives, studio people and producers where one person asks for a change and 2 notes later someone else is asking for another change that is the complete opposite of the first? But you have to find a way to appease both because both of those people are powerful enough to make it so you'll never work again.

You haven't heard the stories of writers completing an entire script and then being told that they need to insert CHARACTER X into at least Y number of scenes in order to fulfil an actor's contractual obligation?

A lot of people's complaints about "writing" and "writers" is predicated on the wrong idea that the script a writer completes is the script that is shot page for page, word for word.

If you ever have the chance, find a "Shooting Script". You'll notice that some pages are white, some pages are blue, some pages are yellow etc. You know why that is?

It's because someone wanted things added, changed, moved, removed and either the original writer, or more often, someone completely different, got paid to do what they were told and make those changes.

Writers aren't just asking for more money, they're asking for a better sense of control. Like, you know, actually being allowed to be on set while the script you wrote is being shot, so that if changes are needed, the actual writer can make them and not a producer or the director who doesn't really care and just wants to go home.
 
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I would be more interested in the residuals from the main characters in this types of vids. Kimoko was like 5 tier type stuff. How much was The blonde chick getting who was the main character of Orange? How much are the residuals for Sookie and Bill from True Blood? Seems like it's always the ppl with the small roles posting these. How much were these residuals when the show was popping?
 
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steadyrighteous said:
You guys keep talking about writers being the issue, especially when it comes to tentpole movies and big IP franchises

I don't think you know how this shyt works...

Do you understand that once the script is out of the writer's hands, there are hundreds of decisions and changes that are made without their input?

You do understand that sometimes a writer can watch the final product and see things and hear things that they didn't write happen on screen?

Do you have any idea what the notes process is like on a script of any budget? Let alone a $200m movie?

Have you ever seen an email that contains a document with all of the notes from executives, studio people and producers where one person asks for a change and 2 notes later someone else is asking for another change that is the complete opposite of the first? But you have to find a way to appease both because both of those people are powerful enough to make it so you'll never work again.

You haven't heard the stories of writers completing an entire script and then being told that they need to insert CHARACTER X into at least Y number of scenes in order to fulfil an actor's contractual obligation?

A lot of people's complaints about "writing" and "writers" is predicated on the wrong idea that the script a writer completes is the script that is shot page for page, word for word.

If you ever have the chance, find a "Shooting Script". You'll notice that some pages are white, some pages are blue, some pages are yellow etc. You know why that is?

It's because someone wanted things added, changed, moved, removed and either the original writer, or more often, someone completely different, got paid to do what they were told and make those changes.

Writers aren't just asking for more money, they're asking for a better sense of control. Like, you know, actually being allowed to be on set while the script you wrote is being shot, so that if changes are needed, the actual writer can make them and not a producer or the director who doesn't really care and just wants to go home.
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It’s funny, but he’s speaking from experience. That’s how it is.

Then you get nerds on the internet talking about “it ain’t make sense” or “why did they make this?”

Of course it didn’t make sense because the person ultimately in charge of the final product is a guy who makes $45m a year, he’s not a writer and the only thing he cares about is doubling the production and P&A budget.

Then he’ll get on a shareholders call, brag about how they doubled their budget (without factoring in the P&A) so the stock price maintains.

But he’ll lie in the year end report and say they still haven’t broken even (because of the P&A) so he doesn’t have to pay the proper residuals and backend

But sure. Bad writing and bad acting is the reason movies and TV sucks

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This is such cap. Thats why he wont name the dude that said this. The money is being made. The CURRENT system that allows executives to eat is being stretched. That's why we are in a holding position and apps leaking profit etc. If the money was reallocated differently, all this shyt is a non issue. Hell, even MoviePass could have succeeded if the execs weren't so greedy. So the main question is who is footing the bill. Execs want growth year over year even in rough market conditions.

Its either us, the crew, or them. The execs would have you believe it doesnt make business sense for them to be paid modestly or even at the top of the pay scale. They want to be paid generously with huge bonuses tied to performance percentage or nothing at all. Its so fukked.
 
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steadyrighteous said:
Do you understand that once the script is out of the writer's hands, there are hundreds of decisions and changes that are made without their input?

You do understand that sometimes a writer can watch the final product and see things and hear things that they didn't write happen on screen?

Do you have any idea what the notes process is like on a script of any budget? Let alone a $200m movie?

Have you ever seen an email that contains a document with all of the notes from executives, studio people and producers where one person asks for a change and 2 notes later someone else is asking for another change that is the complete opposite of the first? But you have to find a way to appease both because both of those people are powerful enough to make it so you'll never work again.

You haven't heard the stories of writers completing an entire script and then being told that they need to insert CHARACTER X into at least Y number of scenes in order to fulfil an actor's contractual obligation?

A lot of people's complaints about "writing" and "writers" is predicated on the wrong idea that the script a writer completes is the script that is shot page for page, word for word.

If you ever have the chance, find a "Shooting Script". You'll notice that some pages are white, some pages are blue, some pages are yellow etc. You know why that is?

It's because someone wanted things added, changed, moved, removed and either the original writer, or more often, someone completely different, got paid to do what they were told and make those changes.

Writers aren't just asking for more money, they're asking for a better sense of control. Like, you know, actually being allowed to be on set while the script you wrote is being shot, so that if changes are needed, the actual writer can make them and not a producer or the director who doesn't really care and just wants to go home.
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The disrespect for writers is crazy. I remember hearing Patton Oswald talk about getting punch up jobs. Patton and another writer would get hired to rewrite shytty scripts, which were already re-written multiple times, for movies that were already filming. It was just producers trying to polish up their shytty ideas.

Directors back in Hollywood's Golden Age used to get treated like shyt as well, they were disposable. Eventually directors got their credit and it felt like 90s and 00s were peak 'auteur' years. Directors were allowed to have full controls in mainstream movies and TV. Now it seems like directors are losing power as well with the rise of cookie cutter blockbusters, CGI and superhero movies.

But writers never, ever got their due.
 
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