Wow, a Warriors fan said Draymond Green could guard Kareem

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Breh the nikka was getting shytted on by Whiteside who 2 years ago was in a YMCA gym and you think he going to do an effective job guarding K.A.J :mjlol:

That's not what actually happened though. He scored 1 field goal on Green in the P&R, everything else on Bogut/Andy V. Made a couple mid range jumpshots in that game and there's not much you can really do if he's hitting those, and this is irrelevant to Kareem since the Warriors would be respecting him a lot differently than they did Whiteside.

Click this for a link to his FG's
 

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Come on now breh. Draymond is the best defensive player we have ever seen. Dude could lock up prime Moses Malone, prime Shaq, Prime Hakeem, Prime Wilt and Prime Duncan.:troll:

Oh and don't forget that Curry is better than MJ ever was. Klay also better than Kobe, Wade, Drexler and Jerry West.:troll:

I know you're joking, but you know I'd never say any of that.
 

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First you need to acknowledge that Green is a great post defender regardless of size. Just because he's not 7 foot doesn't mean he isn't strong as hell w/ a seven foot wingspan that can bother post up players (forces a turnover on 14% of defended post up possessions). No one is going to truly contest Kareem's sky hook to begin with, but what you can do is make it difficult for him to get the ball to begin with or force it out of his hands. That's a lot easier in todays game with the illegal defense rules being lifted, they would double him before the ball even gets there and force someone else to beat them.

This has never been about just Green Vs Kareem and thats why OP's quote is so misleading as I've gone into deep detail about the Warriors as a team defending him. This is Green as the primary defender + him receiving a ton of help from his teammates who are all a part of one of the best defenses in the league in the past two seasons.

Something else you're neglecting is what Kareem we're getting here. If this is the showtime Lakers at their greatest success, 1987 where they won 65 games with an all time great offensive season + their highest SRS (point differential + strength of schedule), he was 39 years old and not the player that you're imagining right now.

I understand Green is a great defender but I also have to acknowledge in regards to Green forcing a TO 14% of his defensive post possessions that no one in this day and age has an elite post game. I get that you're talking about '87 Kareem but he still averaged 17.5 ppg on 56.4% shooting that year and upped his scoring in the postseason to 19.2 on 53%. He also averaged 31.3 mpg which means he wasn't some washed up old timer, he was still an effective player playing crucial minutes.

You don't think that Kareem who stood 7-2 would see a 6-7 Draymond on him and not demand the ball and have the ability to read the defense and know where to kick the ball to if a double team comes? Or when to attack aggressively, decisively, and quickly at that point in his career? You don't think by that time he would have not seen every defense there was you could throw at him?

What I'm trying to say is that it's okay to praise Draymond's defensive prowess but don't take away from an all time great center I mean an all time great player in doing so. Kareem was still effective and efficient in '87 and I believe that you might be trying to crown Draymond prematurely especially when he doesn't have to guard in the post the quality of centers from years past. I know he can only guard who is playing now, well then don't say or cosign that Draymond could guard TRUE CENTERS from an era where the big men ruled the NBA.
 

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Kareem is a top 3 player of all time. Six time champion, six time MVP, and has the most points of all time. The accolades are never ending. What is Draymond Green? A soon to be one time defensive player of the year and one time champion? :heh:

Rookie KAT was eating them up last night. What would Kareem in his prime do to these dudes.
 

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I understand Green is a great defender but I also have to acknowledge in regards to Green forcing a TO 14% of his defensive post possessions that no one in this day and age has an elite post game. I get that you're talking about '87 Kareem but he still averaged 17.5 ppg on 56.4% shooting that year and upped his scoring in the postseason to 19.2 on 53%. He also averaged 31.3 mpg which means he wasn't some washed up old timer, he was still an effective player playing crucial minutes.

You don't think that Kareem who stood 7-2 would see a 6-7 Draymond on him and not demand the ball and have the ability to read the defense and know where to kick the ball to if a double team comes? Or when to attack aggressively, decisively, and quickly at that point in his career? You don't think by that time he would have not seen every defense there was you could throw at him?

What I'm trying to say is that it's okay to praise Draymond's defensive prowess but don't take away from an all time great center I mean an all time great player in doing so. Kareem was still effective and efficient in '87 and I believe that you might be trying to crown Draymond prematurely especially when he doesn't have to guard in the post the quality of centers from years past. I know he can only guard who is playing now, well then don't say or cosign that Draymond could guard TRUE CENTERS from an era where the big men ruled the NBA.

Lots of people have an elite post game in todays league. I just think its harder for them to find breathing room than back in the day b/c of how dramatically the game has changed. Its hard to build around a post up center now, lot more so than it was back then. Those averages for Kareem are a far cry from his peak days. Yeah he was still great, and I've acknowledged that he would still play very well, but I'm saying that he's not gonna dominate them to some insane degree.

Sure he could, Kareem was a great passer and a very smart player. But the Lakers back then didn't have good perimeter shooting and the Warriors are great at recovering back to their man so I don't think it would really kill them per say. Of course this is the problem with using a time machine to compare players across eras.

Not taking away from Cap at all. He can still average 20ppg, just not gonna hit 35-50 like people were seriously suggesting in the thread where I posted this initially. People were saying that Cap would do this and that b/c the Warriors are small (which isn't even true they have two seven footers), not realizing that they have a great defense regardless and the tools to defend anyone. And again, when I say guard I'm not saying shut down. Thats not even the object of defense. Just to make them work, which Green can do especially with help from his teammates.

All of this was but a subset of my actual point about the Lakers not having their way with the LA small ball lineup b/c of how they'd make them work on the other end of the court. Didn't just out of the blue say "hey Draymond can shut down Cap", but there was a thread talking about how Magic's Lakers would destroy the current Warriors and I just laid out the possibilities.
 

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thread made me look up some highlights of kareem's skyhook

that form :mjcry:

look at the flick of that wrist :wow:

we don't see a lot of entry post play in today's NBA, but i think the current group of 4's and 5's in the NBA are talented enough to incorporate this into their game.
 

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Lots of people have an elite post game in todays league. I just think its harder for them to find breathing room than back in the day b/c of how dramatically the game has changed. Its hard to build around a post up center now, lot more so than it was back then. Those averages for Kareem are a far cry from his peak days. Yeah he was still great, and I've acknowledged that he would still play very well, but I'm saying that he's not gonna dominate them to some insane degree.

Sure he could, Kareem was a great passer and a very smart player. But the Lakers back then didn't have good perimeter shooting and the Warriors are great at recovering back to their man so I don't think it would really kill them per say. Of course this is the problem with using a time machine to compare players across eras.

Not taking away from Cap at all. He can still average 20ppg, just not gonna hit 35-50 like people were seriously suggesting in the thread where I posted this initially. People were saying that Cap would do this and that b/c the Warriors are small (which isn't even true they have two seven footers), not realizing that they have a great defense regardless and the tools to defend anyone. And again, when I say guard I'm not saying shut down. Thats not even the object of defense. Just to make them work, which Green can do especially with help from his teammates.

All of this was but a subset of my actual point about the Lakers not having their way with the LA small ball lineup b/c of how they'd make them work on the other end of the court. Didn't just out of the blue say "hey Draymond can shut down Cap", but there was a thread talking about how Magic's Lakers would destroy the current Warriors and I just laid out the possibilities.

I'm finished with the Kareem vs Draymond talk but I'm just curious as to who has an elite post game playing in today's NBA? :jbhmm:
 
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