Wow, a Warriors fan said Draymond Green could guard Kareem

[Consumed]

Just a hall of famer with 5 rings, 8 all-defensive selections and the best rebounder of all time

Oh I'm not questioning his HOF legitimacy, I'm speaking to Rodman as a player over Green since you said he was a marginal role player. What did he do that makes him so much better? Because Green is the best defender in the league + having a historically great passing season for a big man while shooting 38% from three. You can compare the two defensively, but offensively Green is dramatically better than Rodman ever was. He is playing on a hall of fame level right now and will get there barring some catastrophic injury.

Green is NOT a more versatile defender than Dennis Rodman and you need a temporary ban from the forum for even suggesting such

Why do you take issue with this? Green protects the paint better than Rodman did, that gives him an argument considering he legit defends the perimeter at a very high level and its obviously an elite post defender.

I'm finished with the Kareem vs Draymond talk but I'm just curious as to who has an elite post game playing in today's NBA?

Cousins, Lopez, Aldridge & M. Gasol pre injury are great post players. Lots is probably an exaggeration on my part, but these guys would be more appreciated in previous eras especially Cousins who tries to fight an army every night to score.

 

[CarbonBraddock]

how the fukk this consumed dude only got 15 dollars coli cash? don't you get like 3 million just for existing? and what does that shyt even do to begin with? so many questions that will never be answered.

 

[Smoking With Cigarettes]

I could possible somewhat cosign Draymond one day being a hofer. But how you figure he's hof caliber right now? Or are you assuming when it's all said and done

 

[Captain Crunch]

Draymond could guard prime Shaq
Warriors vs Hakeem's Rockets would result in a sweep

 

[Tha_Mac]

Oh I'm not questioning his HOF legitimacy, I'm speaking to Rodman as a player over Green since you said he was a marginal role player. What did he do that makes him so much better? Because Green is the best defender in the league + having a historically great passing season for a big man while shooting 38% from three. You can compare the two defensively, but offensively Green is dramatically better than Rodman ever was. He is playing on a hall of fame level right now and will get there barring some catastrophic injury.



Why do you take issue with this? Green protects the paint better than Rodman did, that gives him an argument considering he legit defends the perimeter at a very high level and its obviously an elite post defender.


Cousins, Lopez, Aldridge & M. Gasol pre injury are great post players. Lots is probably an exaggeration on my part, but these guys would be more appreciated in previous eras especially Cousins who tries to fight an army every night to score.

chill out on the Draymond Green HOF talk he is only a 1 time all star at this point.


And while the bolded are good post players I don't think anyone would call them elite in the post like Kareem, Shaq, Olajuwon or Wilt.

 

[Consumed]

how is draymon going to make it difficult for kareem to get the ball @Consumed

Green is 6'6, cap is 7'2, unless he has a broom a simple lob over the top will get kareem a dunk. Those other midgets on the court (compared to kareem) aren't going to be able to do a damn thing.

Kareem has an 8inch height advantage over this man and you talking about making it tough?


imagine you posting up your 8 year son who's 5ft, vs you being 6ft and see how that goes for him

Green will have someone from the backside help protect against the lob, and whoever's guarding Magic (probably Iggy) will do their best to make sure that post entry pass isn't easy. As opposed to getting the ball with his back to the basket in a preferred spot like usual he has to catch a high angled pass and probably go up with it or else its gonna get stripped or he'll have to pass it back out because he's in a double team. I doubt he's gonna just dunk the ball everytime in that scenario unless he's doing some deandre jordan highlight poster, that wasn't 39 y/o Kareem. It's not so much about stopping him from getting the ball as is just throwing another look at them or making the routine harder than it has to be. I think they would try that, but I also think just letting him get the ball and then quickly swarming forcing a pass to someone on the perimeter could be a better strategy

And I get your example there but that's really off base. Can't compare a child to an adult

I could possible somewhat cosign Draymond one day being a hofer. But how you figure he's hof caliber right now? Or are you assuming when it's all said and done

Said and done. Not now

how the fukk this consumed dude only got 15 dollars coli cash? don't you get like 3 million just for existing? and what does that shyt even do to begin with? so many questions that will never be answered.

I'm a Panthers fan and I bet on us to win it all

 

[Consumed]

chill out on the Draymond Green HOF talk he is only a 1 time all star at this point.


And while the bolded are good post players I don't think anyone would call them elite in the post like Kareem, Shaq, Olajuwon or Wilt.

I meant he's on a hall of fame pace. Like his season right now is the only ever with 1000 points, 500 rebounds, 500 assists, 100 steals and 100 blocks. Even if you think that's cherrypicking (I don't), voters are gonna look at stuff like that and its really helping him that he's playing for a team so dominant and constantly in the press. People are going to be talking about this team for a long time. Klay is probably a HOF guy as well and I'm very critical of him

Nah they aren't those four. Still very good though, and I think they'd be fine in the 90's probably more celebrated than now b/c of how emphasized post play was back then.

You bring up Hakeem though and I remember what happened to Robinson in that imfamous '94 series, but I still think D Rob can guard him. He just needed help, and Rodman refused to give him that because he was being a selfish cancer at the time.

 

[Kovu]

I'm a Warrior fan, & this is the dumbest shyt I've heard all year

Makin us all look bad.

 

[Full Measures]

Lots of people have an elite post game in todays league. I just think its harder for them to find breathing room than back in the day b/c of how dramatically the game has changed. Its hard to build around a post up center now, lot more so than it was back then. Those averages for Kareem are a far cry from his peak days. Yeah he was still great, and I've acknowledged that he would still play very well, but I'm saying that he's not gonna dominate them to some insane degree.

Sure he could, Kareem was a great passer and a very smart player. But the Lakers back then didn't have good perimeter shooting and the Warriors are great at recovering back to their man so I don't think it would really kill them per say. Of course this is the problem with using a time machine to compare players across eras.

Not taking away from Cap at all. He can still average 20ppg, just not gonna hit 35-50 like people were seriously suggesting in the thread where I posted this initially. People were saying that Cap would do this and that b/c the Warriors are small (which isn't even true they have two seven footers), not realizing that they have a great defense regardless and the tools to defend anyone. And again, when I say guard I'm not saying shut down. Thats not even the object of defense. Just to make them work, which Green can do especially with help from his teammates.

All of this was but a subset of my actual point about the Lakers not having their way with the LA small ball lineup b/c of how they'd make them work on the other end of the court. Didn't just out of the blue say "hey Draymond can shut down Cap", but there was a thread talking about how Magic's Lakers would destroy the current Warriors and I just laid out the possibilities.

I TOLD YALL THIS GUY IS OFF HIS ROCKER

 

[Kovu]

How are nikkas calling Dray HOF when he been in the league 4 seasons?

And just became a starter last season.

Ban them. Ban all these nikkas breh

 

[Consumed]

I'm a Warrior fan, & this is the dumbest shyt I've heard all year

Makin us all look bad.

Not at all. People just need to look at the context, this isn't really about Green Vs Cap in a vacuum but everyone is taking it that way.

I TOLD YALL THIS GUY IS OFF HIS ROCKER

Thats not bad, we have elite post up players in the game today. Granted its not as many as previous eras and the game itself has evolved into a more P&R oriented game, but if you put a guy like Brook Lopez in the 80's? He'd be awesome. Put Big Al in the 90's and he'd be more appreciated too.

 

[Consumed]

How are nikkas calling Dray HOF when he been in the league 4 seasons?

Ban them. Ban all these nikkas breh

I meant on pace/is having a HOF caliber year. Obviously wouldn't be a hall of famer if he retired today.

 

[Kovu]

I meant on pace/is having a HOF caliber year. Obviously wouldn't be a hall of famer if he retired today.

Yes, he's having a great year. But HOF talk is years down the line bruh. He needs to keep this up or improve before we say anything about HOF.

 

[Consumed]

Yes, he's having a great year. But HOF talk is years down the line bruh. He needs to keep this up or improve before we say anything about HOF.

Thats fine. Just saying that the hall of fame isn't some ultra exclusive club that people make it out to be, so saying x player is a HOF shouldn't make them better than someone who isn't there yet. Not the MLB or NFL

 

[malbaker86]

Draymond would struggle with Rik Smits forget about Kareem

Rony Seikaly would give that nikka Draymond that work