@RDubb…oh waitYou’re an OG so you know, that not even the die hard TNA stans back in the day were anywhere near as sensitive as these current AEW marks.
would it be a stretch to say despite AEW’s “huge” acquisitions, their momentum is waning??
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MenacingMonk
Tranquilo
I’m not discussing AEW anymore. You say you don’t wanna go back and forth, yet you quote my post not related to you AND still bring up AEW as a talking point.Fam, you do be coming off as emotional lol.. if people are always saying it, maybe just maybe… hear me out…
If someone has a wrestling take you disagree with, and you start throwing out personal insults to a nikka that ain’t said shyt to you… that don’t seem a lil emotional to you, b?
But let’s get back to the topic, I got no problems with you. Don’t wanna make it a back and forth thing
Do you think the idea that AEW has continued down the trajectory of It’s organic growth, is farfetched?
Like is it crazy for me to think the 1.1 mill they’re hovering around of viewership and the sellout shows (weren’t they selling out already?) were already in their trajectory and would have been achieved with or without Bryan, Punk and Cole?
like is this not where they were once NXT left Wednesdays as is?
I’m either completely overrating where AEW was headed, or severely undervaluing Bryan and Punks impact. You tell me?
I just don’t think the game changed much with these game changing moments. Maybe I’m buggin out, maybe I’m on a spaceship
I’m done with AEW talk. I’ll address you “calling me out.” Me throwing “personal insults” is because I used my observation over time and in the moment to see what and how it is. Yes, I am confrontational and aggressive at time, and it’s not just online. That’s a part of who I am. if I call someone a “dumb ass” or “mark” it’s because the shoe fits. It isn’t because I disagree with someone.
You say the AEW fan base are all message board fans, which is a dumb way to see things. It’s like saying all Wrasslin fans are neckbeards. I’ve been to thousands of shows and seen all walks of life enjoying this form of entertainment. I’ve met cool cats at shows who aren’t the stereotype y’all portray on here.
if you didn’t notice, I straight out called him a weirdo AFTER multiple replies between us. And it wasn’t like a “what a fukkin weirdo
” kind of way; it was “what a fukkin weirdo 
” way. Y’all act like you can read emotions from a few words. If I was emotional I woulda straight out disrespected him viciously. 
El Cocodrilo
Superstar
The attention of the world is so fragmented now I don't even believe there is a mainstream anymore, but AEW is on the rise if anything.
idk what else you want... for Biden to invite Kenny Omega to the white house?
idk what else you want... for Biden to invite Kenny Omega to the white house?
Honestly this is not surprising to me. I been to multiple WWE shows in NY in the pasr and they are filled with the most hardcore ass wrestling fans. Just look at all the past MSG, or Barclay events. Always a hot crowd no matter what. Those same fans just transitioned over to AEW cause they are hardcore wrestling fans
.I still expect WWE to sell out all their tickets by the date. shyt I might go depending on the card.
Gargano is a complete nobody..he can go to Japan or AEW..fans would walk out on his 5 star matches.Punk/Danielson didn't accomplish what AEW fans thought they would. AEW quickly came back down to earth. Punk and DB aint them dudes like that. Outside of the yes chants, what is Brian Danielson? And before anybody pull this shyt...i've never been a big Danielson fan. I thought babyface Gargano actually delivered better on the in-ring 5 star matches yall claim Danielson has.
They basically brought these dudes in with zero plan. There is no boost in viewership. after the little debuts people still changing the channel when bums like dark order or lgbQT Marshall come out there.
I’m not discussing AEW anymore. You say you don’t wanna go back and forth, yet you quote my post not related to you AND still bring up AEW as a talking point.
I’m done with AEW talk. I’ll address you “calling me out.” Me throwing “personal insults” is because I used my observation over time and in the moment to see what and how it is. Yes, I am confrontational and aggressive at time, and it’s not just online. That’s a part of who I am. if I call someone a “dumb ass” or “mark” it’s because the shoe fits. It isn’t because I disagree with someone.
You say the AEW fan base are all message board fans, which is a dumb way to see things. It’s like saying all Wrasslin fans are neckbeards. I’ve been to thousands of shows and seen all walks of life enjoying this form of entertainment. I’ve met cool cats at shows who aren’t the stereotype y’all portray on here.
if you didn’t notice, I straight out called him a weirdo AFTER multiple replies between us. And it wasn’t like a “what a fukkin weirdo
I meant I didn’t wanna go back and forth with a personal argument b, that’s not what I’m here for. We too old for that
I do, however, want to talk about what the thread is about - which is why I circled it back to that. You clearly don’t wanna answer the questions I presented, and that’s fine I guess.. If you don’t care to discuss THAT any further, you can go to another thread
handshake;
Art Barr
edit: and if you don’t think AEW’s entire fanbase consists of smart fans who frequent dirt sheets, message boards, etc… I got some news for you fam.. and I’m not framing that as a bad thing.. I only pointed that out because homie was talking about the internet being bizarro world with AEW as if they have some huge casual following that watches in passing, and not a buncha hardcore die hards. Cmon man
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Hitman's Shades
Pro
I think AEW is on the right track, but I look at the long term growth. They need to figure out how to grow their audience, as I think the problem is that they don't have a true #1 guy like Austin, Rock, Goldberg in his prime, Hogan, or even Cena or Reigns that is a star that you can build the promotion around, transcend wrestling, and crossover to mainstream media. WWE for better or worse built their shows around their main #1 guy, who is larger than life. AEW doesn't do that and so the ratings ebb and flow more. Maybe Hangman can be that guy. I don't know. Moxley was decent but he had the WWE rub where people knew him already before AEW and watched to see the new version of him. Kenny built his rep as the former IWGP champ so people knew his in ring rep, although I don't think he translates to mainstream #1 guy success. I think Hangman is super important to AEW because I don't see another homegrown guy behind him. Darby is cool but main event level? I don't know about that. Same with Jungle Boy. Miro? But he is a heel, and they need a super-babyface. Don't see it with Cody, the fans are turning on him big time. MJF reminds me a bit of Piper, but he goes too far and gets cheap heat. But he could be the rival to Page and that could work, but will it crossover to company growth like an NWO or Austin-McMahon, or even the level of Rock-HHH? That's what they need to access.
AEW also doesn't have a lot of guys that just look like they can kick someone's ass off GP. Hobbs is the only new guy that I can think of like that. I watch NXT and I see Bron Breakker. One look and promo at that dude and I can tell he will draw money and be a star one day, it's written all over him. AEW doesn't have/hire wrestlers who look legit like that.
Watching WWE storylines is horrible, and that is why AEW has made gains. The 2000 pound giant has fallen off big time. If it weren't for the brothas/sistas and the usos (Lashley, New Day, Bianca, Sasha, Street Profits, Big E, Shelton, Cedric, MVP, Roman, Usos, Naomi), I would have NO reason to watch them anymore as I find it boring. But I keep paying attention because brothas and sistas are winning over there and I support. Especially given AEW's track record of 0 main event male wrestlers in it's whole history.
AEW also doesn't have a lot of guys that just look like they can kick someone's ass off GP. Hobbs is the only new guy that I can think of like that. I watch NXT and I see Bron Breakker. One look and promo at that dude and I can tell he will draw money and be a star one day, it's written all over him. AEW doesn't have/hire wrestlers who look legit like that.
Watching WWE storylines is horrible, and that is why AEW has made gains. The 2000 pound giant has fallen off big time. If it weren't for the brothas/sistas and the usos (Lashley, New Day, Bianca, Sasha, Street Profits, Big E, Shelton, Cedric, MVP, Roman, Usos, Naomi), I would have NO reason to watch them anymore as I find it boring. But I keep paying attention because brothas and sistas are winning over there and I support. Especially given AEW's track record of 0 main event male wrestlers in it's whole history.
Cartier Murphy
Apathy’s a Tragedy & Boredom is a Crime
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Can't even criticize or talk about shyt without the brigade on asses. Almost as if, Reddit came through and crush the buildings
The reason why dudes fight tooth and nail for AEDUB is because the promotion (smartly) cashed in on the bad will WWE created amongst the wrasslin fan base, so all the fans not only feel like they’re directly responsible for AEW’s success but they also feel invested in WWE’s downfall as a result. When it feels like there’s real tangible stakes involved people get really invested in it, albeit to an extreme.Son, it is nuts
I literally have to begin any AEW criticism with RESTATING how trash WWE is currently just to let nikkas know I come in peace
And they still Ignore all that and attack you for being a mark magat or whatever just for not suckin AEW dikk nonstop
Like damn g, y’all gotta relax sometimes
To answer the question in the OP, I think it’s a very interesting question to ponder. I think the additions of Punk, Bryan, and Cole (and potentially Wyatt too which added to the hype of the other 3 for a second there) will definitely lead to growth down the line but you could wonder if they weren’t already headed down that road anyway. I don’t think they’ve necessarily maintained the on screen momentum they’ve had but that was almost impossible to maintain without a top creative team. What all parties need is a hot storyline to set the spark off properly
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
Taking so long to finally ban Da KKKing did irreparable damage to this board. All his wannabes tanked discussion here.We tried to curtail this movement before it got outta control here but our efforts were compromised.
Cartier Murphy
Apathy’s a Tragedy & Boredom is a Crime
Thecoli as a whole really needs new blood but this site was abandoned a long time ago
we’re all we got brehs
The people that expected them to start doing huge numbers week after week were never realistic. We have years of documentation pre-WCW folding of bigger names than Punk & DB switching sides and that needle not moving (Hogan, Macho). Nash & Hall is the example everyone cites but they didn't just show up and flip the switch, that NWO angle marinated and was a perfect storm for that time period.
You'll get a bump on the initial debuts but that parabolic surge just isn't reality, it takes time and giving people a reason to continually tune in.
AEW's doing more than fine for where they are on their timeframe, idiots like Alvarez and his drones saying "they might massacre raw next week" is why what should be undeniable success starts to look underwhelming.
You'll get a bump on the initial debuts but that parabolic surge just isn't reality, it takes time and giving people a reason to continually tune in.
AEW's doing more than fine for where they are on their timeframe, idiots like Alvarez and his drones saying "they might massacre raw next week" is why what should be undeniable success starts to look underwhelming.
InstantKlassik
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Numbers, numbers numbers, is all you see and hear about.
Podcast culture had ruined pro wrestling discussion the same way hot take culture ruined NBA/NFL discussion. All these wrestling podcasts have thousands of listeners and they get to dictate the narrative on a daily basis.
The Attitude Era was the height of the business. I was between 10-13 years old then, and I never heard one person mention ratings EVER and nobody cared about ratings except the wrestling companies themselves. Now every neckbeard mark with a phone in their hand, gets to create a narrative based off numbers they heard from listening to podcasts from even bigger marks instead of watching the product and forming their opinions based off what they see for themselves. It’s a toxic cycle.
Podcast culture had ruined pro wrestling discussion the same way hot take culture ruined NBA/NFL discussion. All these wrestling podcasts have thousands of listeners and they get to dictate the narrative on a daily basis.
The Attitude Era was the height of the business. I was between 10-13 years old then, and I never heard one person mention ratings EVER and nobody cared about ratings except the wrestling companies themselves. Now every neckbeard mark with a phone in their hand, gets to create a narrative based off numbers they heard from listening to podcasts from even bigger marks instead of watching the product and forming their opinions based off what they see for themselves. It’s a toxic cycle.
