WOATmore Must Die! [2017 Atlanta Hawks Offseason Thread]

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Yall are on two different sides of the debate but I agree with both @AVXL and @Atlanta 80s baby on that Miami vs us point

AV is right, we can't retool like they can. They were still able to swing trades/attract vets in the subsequent 14-15/15-16 due to Riley, Spo, and two HOF/NBA champs in Bosh and Wade, we dont have anything close to that.

80s baby is also correct our 14-15 team was "overrated". Not because they weren't good but because they were a team. They were the epitome of the "sum is greater than the parts." The NBA will probably never name a starting 5 as its POTM. Just look at Horford in Boston or Demarre in Toronto, they'll never be what they were in Atlanta, just from a fit/chemistry perspective. So knowing that, it's hard for me to say we should've gotten "more" in any imaginary trade scenario
 

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I knew I should've included a qualifier:snoop:

I'm cool, considering the circumstances.

Let me break it down

Horford - I'm not mad at letting him walk (plus you dont like him anyways) :lolbron:
Sap - I'm torn. We were actually playing good last year when the trade rumors were swirling, the ideal thing was to get something for him, but oh well.
Carroll - No Way we were going to pay him
Korver - Got the Cleveland pick
Teague - Got Prince out of him

We got something for 2 of the 5. Like I said we probably should've moved Sap but we stood pat and kept competing for the playoffs.Most of these front offices know what they're doing. When it comes to these guys they know the medical issues, personal background, locker room personality, potential playing ability etc. Whatever we think we know in regards to trade value and what believe we should get is probably wrong, plain and simple. You're rarely getting equal value in a trade in the NBA

It's 2017.

(1) it's hard to pay and keep teams together (why pay to keep a tread milling one?)
(2) All them nikkas were going to 30+ with big money, nobody in this league will keep a starting 5 that old
(3) We saw as early as 2014-15 that Schro had starter's potential, plus IIRC prior to that season in that German magazine interview he said he wanted to be a starter or he'd leave
(4) see #1

You can't view transactions and team building in a vacuum, it takes time...

I keep using the Braves as the example. We turned Jason Heyward into two franchise cornerstones in Ender and Dansby. But remember, we traded Heyward to STL for Shelby Miller THEN moved Miller on to Arizona for the guys I mentioned. Two separate trades. Hell, all those moves from 2014 Braves offseason looked bad in a vacuum. You like grades, we won EVERY, SINGLE TRADE, A+
Finally someone who's reasonable. Couldn't agree more.

There was never a real window to trade our guys. Get something for demarre in the middle of the 60 win season? Not happening. We dodged a bullet by not signing him as his knees are shot and the raptors stuck with him.

We got rid of 35 games of korver for a 1st round pick. Because we damn sure weren't gonna resign him.

Got prince for Teague. That worked out great.

Horford pulled out of a great contract offer. We passed up being a treadmill team. No complaints. You don't trade him at the deadline if your intentions are to resign him.

And the only offer for millsap was Terrance Ross and a 1st round pick. That is garbage.

We lucked out at the end of the day by not doing the typical hawks thing and lock up all these old nikkas to be a treadmill team. Yall see these weak ass deals teams are getting for their superstars? You think they giving us a haul for our 2nd tier all stars in their 30s with half a season left on their contracts?:hhh:
 

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I knew I should've included a qualifier:snoop:

I'm cool, considering the circumstances.

Let me break it down

Horford - I'm not mad at letting him walk (plus you dont like him anyways) :lolbron:
Sap - I'm torn. We were actually playing good last year when the trade rumors were swirling, the ideal thing was to get something for him, but oh well.
Carroll - No Way we were going to pay him
Korver - Got the Cleveland pick
Teague - Got Prince out of him

We got something for 2 of the 5. Like I said we probably should've moved Sap but we stood pat and kept competing for the playoffs.Most of these front offices know what they're doing. When it comes to these guys they know the medical issues, personal background, locker room personality, potential playing ability etc. Whatever we think we know in regards to trade value and what believe we should get is probably wrong, plain and simple. You're rarely getting equal value in a trade in the NBA

It's 2017.

(1) it's hard to pay and keep teams together (why pay to keep a tread milling one?)
(2) All them nikkas were going to 30+ with big money, nobody in this league will keep a starting 5 that old
(3) We saw as early as 2014-15 that Schro had starter's potential, plus IIRC prior to that season in that German magazine interview he said he wanted to be a starter or he'd leave
(4) see #1

You can't view transactions and team building in a vacuum, it takes time...

I think you're missing what I'm getting at. My personal dislike for Horford aside, the Hawks could've moved on from him in the middle of the 2015-16 season and traded him and got assets. We refused to trade him, bungled negotiations with him and lost him for nothing.

Fast forward to this year. After trading Korver and starting to tear it down in January the Hawks had offers and the opportunity to trade Sap for assets but took him off the trading block to try and give it one last run and again we lost him for nothing.

Getting Prince for Teague was a good move. A 2019 1-10 protected pick from CLE may not do us any good if CLE is horrible in 2 years and keeps there pick.

My problem is losing players for nothing. You can't tell me that they shouldn't have put together a trade proposal and acquired players when they were gonna do it this yr and should've done it last yr. And my problem with the team building is that it's not being done with a long term vision. We've had 3 different GM's now in 3 years and the decisions made by this franchise reflect that.

I keep using the Braves as the example. We turned Jason Heyward into two franchise cornerstones in Ender and Dansby. But remember, we traded Heyward to STL for Shelby Miller THEN moved Miller on to Arizona for the guys I mentioned. Two separate trades. Hell, all those moves from 2014 Braves offseason looked bad in a vacuum. You like grades, we won EVERY, SINGLE TRADE, A+

Mark Bradley of the AJC had a great article judging the past few trades of the Braves rebuild:

Assessing Round 2 of the Braves’ selling: Wood, Simmons and Miller | Mark Bradley blog

On Nov. 12, 2015, the Braves sent Andrelton Simmons to the Angels for shortstop Erick Aybar and pitching prospects Sean Newcomb and Chris Ellis. That's an awful trade for us that will be less awful if Newcomb keeps pitching as well as he has. Simmons is one of the best SS in baseball and one of the best defenders of his generation.

Another horrible trade: On July 30, 2015, the Braves sent starting pitcher Alex Wood, closer Jim Johnson, reliever Luis Avilan and infield prospect Jose Peraza to the Dodgers for Hector Olivera. Wood's an All Star and Hector Olivera was a bum who we had to get rid of because of domestic violence charges.

The Braves have made some inspired trades including the Shelby Miller deal, but to grade them all as an A+ isn't accurate breh, it's just not. I would be happy if the Hawks made some of the types of moves the Braves and Falcons have made but they need consistency in the front office and be able to execute their plan
 

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I think you're missing what I'm getting at. My personal dislike for Horford aside, the Hawks could've moved on from him in the middle of the 2015-16 season and traded him and got assets. We refused to trade him, bungled negotiations with him and lost him for nothing.

Fast forward to this year. After trading Korver and starting to tear it down in January the Hawks had offers and the opportunity to trade Sap for assets but took him off the trading block to try and give it one last run and again we lost him for nothing.

Getting Prince for Teague was a good move. A 2019 1-10 protected pick from CLE may not do us any good if CLE is horrible in 2 years and keeps there pick.

My problem is losing players for nothing. You can't tell me that they shouldn't have put together a trade proposal and acquired players when they were gonna do it this yr and should've done it last yr. And my problem with the team building is that it's not being done with a long term vision. We've had 3 different GM's now in 3 years and the decisions made by this franchise reflect that.



Mark Bradley of the AJC had a great article judging the past few trades of the Braves rebuild:

Assessing Round 2 of the Braves’ selling: Wood, Simmons and Miller | Mark Bradley blog

On Nov. 12, 2015, the Braves sent Andrelton Simmons to the Angels for shortstop Erick Aybar and pitching prospects Sean Newcomb and Chris Ellis. That's an awful trade for us that will be less awful if Newcomb keeps pitching as well as he has. Simmons is one of the best SS in baseball and one of the best defenders of his generation.

Another horrible trade: On July 30, 2015, the Braves sent starting pitcher Alex Wood, closer Jim Johnson, reliever Luis Avilan and infield prospect Jose Peraza to the Dodgers for Hector Olivera. Wood's an All Star and Hector Olivera was a bum who we had to get rid of because of domestic violence charges.

The Braves have made some inspired trades including the Shelby Miller deal, but to grade them all as an A+ isn't accurate breh, it's just not. I would be happy if the Hawks made some of the types of moves the Braves and Falcons have made but they need consistency in the front office and be able to execute their plan

In an ideal world, I AGREE 100% yes you want a return on guys, but it's not an ideal world. It's gonna be some luck and some whiffs to get this thang right.

Remember, if Steph didnt have paper mache ankles early in his career (leading to the 4yr, $48 mill deal) we might not see this Golden State dynasty...

You gon take some L's and let some guys walk to. The front office turnover has muddied everything, but I'd like to think the decisions made by the 3 guys were their separate visions of long-term success/team building.

Danny Ferry was the guy and had this franchise headed in the right direction, I think him at the helm would've equaled a finalls appearance, but things happened how they did

Go back and peep @Sly Cookin's post tho. You would move Horford mid-year after the ECF run? Had the seeding worked in our favor (no CLE) we felt the team was ECF bound again. I still had some optimism lol. I dont eem remember, were there any trade rumors surrounding him during the season? There was optimism that he would re-sign.

Re: Braves

I purged the Olivera trade from my mind lol. Wood is ballin for LA too smh. We somehow got a productive Matt Kemp for Olivera which is a W by proxy. Like MB said, Newcomb could be legit based on his first few starts. So my assessment was a little over the top, but we were on the right side of most of those moves.
 

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In an ideal world, I AGREE 100% yes you want a return on guys, but it's not an ideal world. It's gonna be some luck and some whiffs to get this thang right.

Remember, if Steph didnt have paper mache ankles early in his career (leading to the 4yr, $48 mill deal) we might not see this Golden State dynasty...

You gon take some L's and let some guys walk to. The front office turnover has muddied everything, but I'd like to think the decisions made by the 3 guys were their separate visions of long-term success/team building.

Danny Ferry was the guy and had this franchise headed in the right direction, I think him at the helm would've equaled a finalls appearance, but things happened how they did

Go back and peep @Sly Cookin's post tho. You would move Horford mid-year after the ECF run? Had the seeding worked in our favor (no CLE) we felt the team was ECF bound again. I still had some optimism lol. I dont eem remember, were there any trade rumors surrounding him during the season? There was optimism that he would re-sign.

I agree that it's not an ideal world but you do have to operate in the real world. Which includes making tough decisions about the future of your franchise when you're getting diminishing returns from the product you're putting on the floor. I find it hard to believe that you can justify the Hawks letting its best player walk for nothing the last two summers on some "oh well shyt happens :yeshrug:" steez. Bottom line is that poor player management and the failure of a cohesive vision of this franchise is what led us to this point.

As for trading Horford if the right deal came along yes. And I also would've fortified the team to compete better in the playoffs at the trade deadline that yr...I wouldn't have called myself a "fringe contender" with a team not built to go deep into the playoffs. Sap should've undoubtedly been traded in February.


Re: Braves

I purged the Olivera trade from my mind lol. Wood is ballin for LA too smh. We somehow got a productive Matt Kemp for Olivera which is a W by proxy. Like MB said, Newcomb could be legit based on his first few starts. So my assessment was a little over the top, but we were on the right side of most of those moves.

We got value for some of the deals and we made some horrible deals as well, my point was that they weren't all A+ deals for us
 
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A couple things with the Miami comparison: 1. Miami is and always has been a FA destination. Atlanta has never been that way. So Miami can bank on being more of a player in FA (because of it being Miami, having a stable ownership group, having a championship culture and Pat Riley as a GM.) than Atlanta can. They can lose Wade, Bron, Bosh (he really shouldn't be included because of his medical situation) and can still rebuild & attract new talent because of the reasons I outlined. There is no championship culture here, we have a new-ish owner and a new GM. So you can't give the Hawks the same benefit of the doubt you'd give the Heat. With that said, the Hawks (I assume) are getting to work and trying to rebuild the roster

With that said I am irritated that the team didn't get any real assets from the best team in Hawks history

They are one of the better FA destinations, but you don't give them credit for building players up like Whiteside, Waiters, James Johnson, Tyler Johnson, etc. that help attract certain FAs. This group Should be Euroleague/bench fodder but the Heat have a great development staff.

Wade is their generational player that started it all for them. Look at those Riley coached teams just before Wade. It was very Hawk esque results wise. 6 straight playoff appearances from 95-01. Four 1st round knockouts, 1 semi and 1 conf. finals.

Draft that great player that is impactful, develop your base talent, and FAs will come, simple plan as that.
 

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They are one of the better FA destinations, but you don't give them credit for building players up like Whiteside, Waiters, James Johnson, Tyler Johnson, etc. that help attract certain FAs. This group Should be Euroleague/bench fodder but the Heat have a great development staff.

Wade is their generational player that started it all for them. Look at those Riley coached teams just before Wade. It was very Hawk esque results wise. 6 straight playoff appearances from 95-01. Four 1st round knockouts, 1 semi and 1 conf. finals.

Draft that great player that is impactful, develop your base talent, and FAs will come, simple plan as that.

At one point Bud had a staff that was amazing in player development. Coach Quinn and Coach Atkinson were some of the top assistant coaches in the NBA. They both got hired by BK & Utah and another one of the assistant coaches has left this offseason (the big, white bald guy can't think of his name). So we haven't really rebuilt that coaching & player development aspect recently

But yes give Miami credit for developing players, but you gotta see why a Miami to Atlanta comparison isn't quite apples to apples
 

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I agree that it's not an ideal world but you do have to operate in the real world. Which includes making tough decisions about the future of your franchise when you're getting diminishing returns from the product you're putting on the floor. I find it hard to believe that you can justify the Hawks letting its best player walk for nothing the last two summers on some "oh well shyt happens :yeshrug:" steez. Bottom line is that poor player management and the failure of a cohesive vision of this franchise is what led us to this point.

As for trading Horford if the right deal came along yes. And I also would've fortified the team to compete better in the playoffs at the trade deadline that yr...I wouldn't have called myself a "fringe contender" with a team not built to go deep into the playoffs. Sap should've undoubtedly been traded in February.




We got value for some of the deals and we made some horrible deals as well, my point was that they weren't all A+ deals for us

I feel safe in saying "I'm cool" or cant be mad with it because it seems Bud/Wilcox wanted to move forward with the Horford/Sap frontcourt. We obviously wanted Horford back last year, which didn't happen after offering Dwight and not moving Millsap showed he must've been in the cards for the future. The disconnect in that vision came with the relinquishing of titles/hiring of Schlenk. If Schlenk would've been here during the season I think it's safe to say Millsap would've been moved.

In a Wilcox/Bud FO-led FO I do disagree with having that frontcourt, but you can see why the moves weren't made, right?
 
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They are one of the better FA destinations, but you don't give them credit for building players up like Whiteside, Waiters, James Johnson, Tyler Johnson, etc. that help attract certain FAs. This group Should be Euroleague/bench fodder but the Heat have a great development staff.

Wade is their generational player that started it all for them. Look at those Riley coached teams just before Wade. It was very Hawk esque results wise. 6 straight playoff appearances from 95-01. Four 1st round knockouts, 1 semi and 1 conf. finals.

Draft that great player that is impactful, develop your base talent, and FAs will come, simple plan as that.

Just read this particular article a few minutes ago. It's a very optimistic view on what could happen. It's a good read, all we can do is wait and hope Schlenk can make all the right moves...


With a new general manager and stabilized ownership in place, the Hawks are about to enter an era with more high-ceiling possibilities than currently meet the eye.
It's officially the last day of the 2016-17 NBA season, which means every team is about to use free agency and the trade market to, in some way or another, alter their short and long-term outlook. That can mean pivoting away from the previous strategy or doubling down on what's helped find success in the past.

Some franchises are more predictable than others, but few are harder to forecast over the next few years than the Atlanta Hawks. Long viewed as the poster child of mediocrity—plenty comfortable inside a low-ceiling, high-floor home—Atlanta is poised to do something different behind stable ownership and Travis Schlenk, a new general manager who previously worked with the champion Golden State Warriors.

For Hawks fans used to rooting for teams that are pretty good but undeniably flawed, this could be an exciting shift. Atlanta has qualified for the playoffs every year since 2008, when a young core led by Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, and a rookie named Al Horford pushed the eventual champion Boston Celtics to seven games in the first round.


Two years later, they won 53 games before getting swept in the second round by Dwight Howard's Orlando Magic. That was their peak. But instead of blowing up the roster and shooting for a high NBA Draft lottery pick, Atlanta remained decent for a few years, then hired Mike Budenholzer away from Gregg Popovich's bench and plucked Paul Millsap from the Utah Jazz.

A magical 60-win season followed in 2014-15, as the Hawks maximized their collective strength and ripped through the league despite not having a top-15 player on their roster. The Hawks hunted quality three-point opportunities with admirable unselfishness, and just about everyone in their rotation could shoot and pass. It was special, until they met LeBron James in the playoffs, who did what he does.

Given everyone's ages and contract situations, that particular Hawks team wasn't sustainable. Even as commentators slapped a "Spurs East" sticker to the franchise's forehead, a path to prolonged almost-greatness wasn't there.

Today, the only remaining players from that group who are under contract through next season are Kent Bazemore and Dennis Schroder. Jeff Teague was traded to the Indiana Pacers so Schroder could grow as a starter, while Horford left for Boston and was essentially replaced by Howard.

Last week, Schlenk traded the three-time Defensive Player of the Year's two-year, $47.3 million contract—and all the soul-sucking post touches that come with it—along with a second-round pick to Charlotte in exchange for Miles Plumlee, Marco Belinelli, and an even worse pick. It's unwise to make a sweeping claim about an organization's direction after one transaction, but this seemed to reflect Schlenk's open desire to infuse flexibility, financially and on the floor, into the Hawks.


Dealing Howard wasn't a shock, even if the return was pitiful. But with the ostensible franchise center now an afterthought, Schlenk can use the rest of this summer to pour the concrete of a new foundation. Here's where things get a bit less certain, and potentially a lot more optimistic.

At his introductory press conference, Schlenk said re-signing Millsap was a priority. Soon after, he walked those words back by saying it's possible another team will offer Atlanta's best player more money. Since the Hawks have Millsap's Full Bird Rights and can give him a larger contract in years and dollars than anyone else, what Schlenk was really saying is that sacrificing an open cap sheet to bring back a 32-year-old doesn't jibe with where the Atlanta is headed.

Letting a productive four-time All-Star walk for nothing but cap space is not a great outcome, but it's much better than locking Millsap into a costly long-term deal. If he leaves, and the Hawks renounce all of their other other free agents—most notably Ersan Ilyasova, Thabo Sefolosha, and Mike Muscala—the Hawks will have roughly $26.5 million to spend, not including their $4.3 million room exception. And that total could nearly rise to $30 million if they also waive Mike Dunleavy Jr.

This route is possible, and will knock Atlanta from the playoff picture if Schlenk commits to it. Bottoming out doesn't appear to be as toxic as it once was with ownership, and that's kind of awesome to see. The Hawks would've been wise to tank last year—picks and/or prospects for Millsap would have been nice—but with so few teams projected to be truly awful next season, waving a white flag and obtaining a top-3 pick in 2018 could kickstart a franchise that's in sore need of a legitimate building block.


With the recent construction of a 90,000 square foot, $50 million medical-care practice facility that can be viewed as a competitive advantage, Atlanta could end up a sleeping giant even if they intentionally punt the 2017-18 season away.

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Schlenk says he wants to erect "a championship-quality team that's sustainable." Heading towards the bottom, accumulating assets, and avoiding bad contracts is one way to do it. But the new GM also told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that "the Philly model is not our model ... what we did in Golden State is what we are trying to do here. We never really were terrible. We were winning 30-some games, staying competitive, so when you get the last month of the season you are in the playoff hunt."

If staying on the fringe of playoff contention while simultaneously preparing to swing for the fences like the pre-James Harden Houston Rockets is the plan, the Hawks could re-sign Millsap to a four-year deal, come to a reasonable agreement with Tim Hardaway Jr., operate above the cap and go shopping with their mid-level exception for someone like P.J. Tucker.

From there, unloading Kent Bazemore's contract is a must. He has nearly $55 million headed his way over the next three years—including a $19.2 million player option in 2019 that he'll probably pick up—while Atlanta is better off opening up more playing time for Taurean Prince, DeAndre Bembry, and incoming rookie John Collins, a scoring machine who should crack the rotation right away. The Hawks are known for player development, and likely can avoid embarrassment sans Bazemore, who could garner a decent pick in return.


If things aren't going great after re-signing Millsap, Atlanta could always flip him for more future assets or younger contributors at next season's trade deadline. Another option would be to pull off a sign-and-trade—similar to what the Los Angeles Clippers just did with Chris Paul—but that seems unlikely, given Millsap's potentially sour market.

Schlenk has repeatedly fawned over Atlanta's cupboard: In the next two drafts they have all of their own picks, a lottery-protected first in 2018 courtesy of the Minnesota Timberwolves that will likely convey, a top-10 protected first-round pick in 2019 from the Cleveland Cavaliers, and a 2019 second-round pick from the Washington Wizards.

For a rebuilding team, these are juicy bites at the apple that double as valuable trade chips. Atlanta can attach them to contracts they don't like (think Bazemore and Plumlee) and then, in the very near future, construct scenarios where multiple max-level free agents could team up in Atlanta. This is an untapped, attractive market, and once the salary cap levels off there won't be too many other suitors able to pull off the same pitch.

In the meantime, Schroder is a rapidly developing irritant—that's a good thing—who's compensated fairly until 2021. He'll be 24 next season, which means he can either hang around through a dramatic rebuild or produce at a quality level on a scary squad. There's also a decent chance some other team will be in search of a starting point guard over the next few weeks: the Timberwolves, Utah Jazz, San Antonio Spurs, New Orleans Pelicans, New York Knicks, Toronto Raptors, and one or two others may be willing to overpay for an intriguing ball-handler who positively impacts both ends of the floor.



The Hawks probably won't be in the news a ton this summer, but if they play their cards right they may soon be painting on a blank canvas, with a unique opportunity to strike in several advantageous ways over the next few years. If nothing else, the days of Atlanta hosting the most predictably monotonous team in the league are finally about to end.



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I'm surprised y'all not hyped to finally be rebuilding

Because we didn't leverage our best assets into anything for two straight years. But you have some Hawks fans who are ok with this line of management because "shyt happens". I don't buy that and the Hawks should be criticized for their basketball operation

I feel safe in saying "I'm cool" or cant be mad with it because it seems Bud/Wilcox wanted to move forward with the Horford/Sap frontcourt. We obviously wanted Horford back last year, which didn't happen after offering Dwight and not moving Millsap showed he must've been in the cards for the future. The disconnect in that vision came with the relinquishing of titles/hiring of Schlenk. If Schlenk would've been here during the season I think it's safe to say Millsap would've been moved.

In a Wilcox/Bud FO-led FO I do disagree with having that frontcourt, but you can see why the moves weren't made, right?

Michael Cunningham of the AJC just posted his thoughts on the Hawks (mis)management

Hawks botched rebuild before it even began | AJC Mike Check

This is not a well run basketball operation from the owner on down. I've been critical of Ressler's decision making and comments he's made last season as well. He apparently blocked a Millsap trade in January even tho his GM (Wilcox) was for trading him and his President/Coach (Bud) was against it. So no you can't just put the decision to move on from Sap on Schlenk. This was an organization that didn't know what it wanted to do and instead of learning from the Horford debacle of last summer allowed it to happen again this summer without even offering Sap a contract.
 

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Just read this particular article a few minutes ago. It's a very optimistic view on what could happen. It's a good read, all we can do is wait and hope Schlenk can make all the right moves...


With a new general manager and stabilized ownership in place, the Hawks are about to enter an era with more high-ceiling possibilities than currently meet the eye.
It's officially the last day of the 2016-17 NBA season, which means every team is about to use free agency and the trade market to, in some way or another, alter their short and long-term outlook. That can mean pivoting away from the previous strategy or doubling down on what's helped find success in the past.

Some franchises are more predictable than others, but few are harder to forecast over the next few years than the Atlanta Hawks. Long viewed as the poster child of mediocrity—plenty comfortable inside a low-ceiling, high-floor home—Atlanta is poised to do something different behind stable ownership and Travis Schlenk, a new general manager who previously worked with the champion Golden State Warriors.

For Hawks fans used to rooting for teams that are pretty good but undeniably flawed, this could be an exciting shift. Atlanta has qualified for the playoffs every year since 2008, when a young core led by Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, and a rookie named Al Horford pushed the eventual champion Boston Celtics to seven games in the first round.


Two years later, they won 53 games before getting swept in the second round by Dwight Howard's Orlando Magic. That was their peak. But instead of blowing up the roster and shooting for a high NBA Draft lottery pick, Atlanta remained decent for a few years, then hired Mike Budenholzer away from Gregg Popovich's bench and plucked Paul Millsap from the Utah Jazz.

A magical 60-win season followed in 2014-15, as the Hawks maximized their collective strength and ripped through the league despite not having a top-15 player on their roster. The Hawks hunted quality three-point opportunities with admirable unselfishness, and just about everyone in their rotation could shoot and pass. It was special, until they met LeBron James in the playoffs, who did what he does.

Given everyone's ages and contract situations, that particular Hawks team wasn't sustainable. Even as commentators slapped a "Spurs East" sticker to the franchise's forehead, a path to prolonged almost-greatness wasn't there.

Today, the only remaining players from that group who are under contract through next season are Kent Bazemore and Dennis Schroder. Jeff Teague was traded to the Indiana Pacers so Schroder could grow as a starter, while Horford left for Boston and was essentially replaced by Howard.

Last week, Schlenk traded the three-time Defensive Player of the Year's two-year, $47.3 million contract—and all the soul-sucking post touches that come with it—along with a second-round pick to Charlotte in exchange for Miles Plumlee, Marco Belinelli, and an even worse pick. It's unwise to make a sweeping claim about an organization's direction after one transaction, but this seemed to reflect Schlenk's open desire to infuse flexibility, financially and on the floor, into the Hawks.


Dealing Howard wasn't a shock, even if the return was pitiful. But with the ostensible franchise center now an afterthought, Schlenk can use the rest of this summer to pour the concrete of a new foundation. Here's where things get a bit less certain, and potentially a lot more optimistic.

At his introductory press conference, Schlenk said re-signing Millsap was a priority. Soon after, he walked those words back by saying it's possible another team will offer Atlanta's best player more money. Since the Hawks have Millsap's Full Bird Rights and can give him a larger contract in years and dollars than anyone else, what Schlenk was really saying is that sacrificing an open cap sheet to bring back a 32-year-old doesn't jibe with where the Atlanta is headed.

Letting a productive four-time All-Star walk for nothing but cap space is not a great outcome, but it's much better than locking Millsap into a costly long-term deal. If he leaves, and the Hawks renounce all of their other other free agents—most notably Ersan Ilyasova, Thabo Sefolosha, and Mike Muscala—the Hawks will have roughly $26.5 million to spend, not including their $4.3 million room exception. And that total could nearly rise to $30 million if they also waive Mike Dunleavy Jr.

This route is possible, and will knock Atlanta from the playoff picture if Schlenk commits to it. Bottoming out doesn't appear to be as toxic as it once was with ownership, and that's kind of awesome to see. The Hawks would've been wise to tank last year—picks and/or prospects for Millsap would have been nice—but with so few teams projected to be truly awful next season, waving a white flag and obtaining a top-3 pick in 2018 could kickstart a franchise that's in sore need of a legitimate building block.


With the recent construction of a 90,000 square foot, $50 million medical-care practice facility that can be viewed as a competitive advantage, Atlanta could end up a sleeping giant even if they intentionally punt the 2017-18 season away.

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Schlenk says he wants to erect "a championship-quality team that's sustainable." Heading towards the bottom, accumulating assets, and avoiding bad contracts is one way to do it. But the new GM also told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that "the Philly model is not our model ... what we did in Golden State is what we are trying to do here. We never really were terrible. We were winning 30-some games, staying competitive, so when you get the last month of the season you are in the playoff hunt."

If staying on the fringe of playoff contention while simultaneously preparing to swing for the fences like the pre-James Harden Houston Rockets is the plan, the Hawks could re-sign Millsap to a four-year deal, come to a reasonable agreement with Tim Hardaway Jr., operate above the cap and go shopping with their mid-level exception for someone like P.J. Tucker.

From there, unloading Kent Bazemore's contract is a must. He has nearly $55 million headed his way over the next three years—including a $19.2 million player option in 2019 that he'll probably pick up—while Atlanta is better off opening up more playing time for Taurean Prince, DeAndre Bembry, and incoming rookie John Collins, a scoring machine who should crack the rotation right away. The Hawks are known for player development, and likely can avoid embarrassment sans Bazemore, who could garner a decent pick in return.


If things aren't going great after re-signing Millsap, Atlanta could always flip him for more future assets or younger contributors at next season's trade deadline. Another option would be to pull off a sign-and-trade—similar to what the Los Angeles Clippers just did with Chris Paul—but that seems unlikely, given Millsap's potentially sour market.

Schlenk has repeatedly fawned over Atlanta's cupboard: In the next two drafts they have all of their own picks, a lottery-protected first in 2018 courtesy of the Minnesota Timberwolves that will likely convey, a top-10 protected first-round pick in 2019 from the Cleveland Cavaliers, and a 2019 second-round pick from the Washington Wizards.

For a rebuilding team, these are juicy bites at the apple that double as valuable trade chips. Atlanta can attach them to contracts they don't like (think Bazemore and Plumlee) and then, in the very near future, construct scenarios where multiple max-level free agents could team up in Atlanta. This is an untapped, attractive market, and once the salary cap levels off there won't be too many other suitors able to pull off the same pitch.

In the meantime, Schroder is a rapidly developing irritant—that's a good thing—who's compensated fairly until 2021. He'll be 24 next season, which means he can either hang around through a dramatic rebuild or produce at a quality level on a scary squad. There's also a decent chance some other team will be in search of a starting point guard over the next few weeks: the Timberwolves, Utah Jazz, San Antonio Spurs, New Orleans Pelicans, New York Knicks, Toronto Raptors, and one or two others may be willing to overpay for an intriguing ball-handler who positively impacts both ends of the floor.



The Hawks probably won't be in the news a ton this summer, but if they play their cards right they may soon be painting on a blank canvas, with a unique opportunity to strike in several advantageous ways over the next few years. If nothing else, the days of Atlanta hosting the most predictably monotonous team in the league are finally about to end.



Do Not Sleep on the Atlanta Hawks

I'm all for sunny side up optimism and although the article makes some reaches I do think the outcome could be great. I disagree with the "there won't be as many awful teams next yr". BK will be horrible, possibly the Knicks, ORL, PHX, SAC just to name a few. But I am hopeful that this rebuild will ultimately get us on the path to a championship
 

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I'm surprised y'all not hyped to finally be rebuilding
I'm excited. Some posters mad we didn't get back Terrance Ross and a late 1st for Paul millsap. Some are mad we don't still have demarre even though raptors fans hate him. Some posters wish we would've made horford 3rd highest paid player in the league.

fukk the treadmill. I been waiting for this rebuild. Minny pick this year is ours. Next year we get the cavs pick when bron leaves
 
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