With all the Ghost threads...Ironman vs Supreme Clientele

[TheDarceKnight]

Real ghost fans know Fishscale is a classic record tho

Yeah, I got Fishscale right behind Ironman and SC. Pete Rock, Dilla, Just Blaze, and DOOM fit right in since RZA wasn't on there. I like Fishscale more than Bulletproof Wallets, at least the retail Bulletproof Wallets. Haven't heard the Napster leak OG version in a long time, but I remember liking it way more than the retail.

ironman because it was very wu sounding. if he never made ironman everyone would always be talking about how ghost would've been better if he did an album with all rza production(tical, liquid swordz, ob4cl)

also love this as a companion piece to ob4cl. linx was definitely harder and my favorite wu solo album but ironman is a close second. all that i've got is you is pretty much the back story to the reason ghost's career is based on guns, throwing cats in wheelchairs or the why he felt the need to smoke black dust and make moves out of state. this dude's life was miserable so it's not hard to see why he's willing to dirt to grow like a plant, son.

Yeah, that's why I voted for it. I always felt like Linx and Ironman were 2 sides of a coin. RZA really did have the best half decade run of any producer in hip-hop IMO---36, Tical, Return to 36, Linx, Liquid Swords, Ironman, and Forever all sounded different. For all those first Wu solos, RZA made each album tailored to that artists but still kept his sound. I love how each of those solo albums really fits each personality. Ironman really went in the deepest with the soul out of those first Wu solos.

I still hate the flood ruined that Deck/RZA album.

 

[BuddahMAC]

There's always been a rumor that GZA was also supposed to be on Ice Water but after Cappadonna recorded his verse, GZA was either annoyed, tired, or for some reason didn't wanna be on the song anymore.

It was U-God that was supposed to be on the track. That's why you hear Big Free say "Tony Starks, Raekwon the Chef, Cappachino & Golden Arms coming through..." between Cap & Rae's verses.

 

[born2bewired]

Ghost and Raek always been on the same level. Even on OB4CL

Yeah, I got Fishscale right behind Ironman and SC. Pete Rock, Dilla, Just Blaze, and DOOM fit right in since RZA wasn't on there. I like Fishscale more than Bulletproof Wallets, at least the retail Bulletproof Wallets. Haven't heard the Napster leak OG version in a long time, but I remember liking it way more than the retail.



Yeah, that's why I voted for it. I always felt like Linx and Ironman were 2 sides of a coin. RZA really did have the best half decade run of any producer in hip-hop IMO---36, Tical, Return to 36, Linx, Liquid Swords, Ironman, and Forever all sounded different. For all those first Wu solos, RZA made each album tailored to that artists but still kept his sound. I love how each of those solo albums really fits each personality. Ironman really went in the deepest with the soul out of those first Wu solos.

I still hate the flood ruined that Deck/RZA album.

even though i love tical as is.. i would pay top dollar to hear what it sounded like before the flood

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

 

[Ari Gold Bawse]

Real ghost fans know Fishscale is a classic record tho

RAGU
Shakey Dog
Three Bricks
Clipse of Doom

and thats just off memory

 

[TheDarceKnight]

ghosts whole discography is stacked. most consistent member of the clan.
imo he is better than rae because his 2 classic's say "costarring ghostface killah"
where as ghost has SP without a costarring role from rae as well as fishscale.
i think everyone of his albums is at least a 3 out of 5 except bulletproof wallets but it's my understanding that the leaked version had uncleared samples and was better?
i need that if anyone has it

I think he's more consistent than Rae also. I'll say this though. Linx 2 floored me when it dropped. I remember it leaked the same day as Blueprint 3 and that was a fun day. Considering how long it took to record, and how many producers were on it, I really thought that Linx 2 would be trash to decent at best. Then Rae also dropped that Shaolin Vs Wu Tang which was also pretty solid.

But yeah man I don't think anyone else in the Wu has Ghost's catalog. Everything you mentioned. Ironman, SC, Fishscale, and the original BW. Honestly Pretty Toney for me is very underrated. More Fish isn't bad. Big Doe Rehab had some jams. I will say this. I kinda fell off in terms of keeping up with Ghost and I missed 36 Seasons and Sour Soul. Are they worth checking out?

I'd also love the OG Napster version of Bulletproof Wallets if anyone has it.

even though i love tical as is.. i would pay top dollar to hear what it sounded like before the flood

Same. Tical is in my top 3 albums that I want to like more than I do. It's a solid 4+ mics to me, but just not quite on the level of some of the other solos. I always heard it was a little better before things got fukked up. Didn't RZA have to quickly remake some of the beats and mix them in a hurry to get it out on time?

 

[Ari Gold Bawse]

@TheDarceKnight Sour Soul definitely, solid album with some nice jazz beats

i didn't really like 36 seasons but if you like Ghost's concept albums then im sure you would think its decent

 

[TheDarceKnight]

@TheDarceKnight Sour Soul definitely, solid album with some nice jazz beats

i didn't really like 36 seasons but if you like Ghost's concept albums then im sure you would think its decent

Will rep when it lets me. Thank you!

 

[NoHalfWay]

A-yo, crash through, break the glass, Tony with the goalie mask
That's the pass, heavy ice Roley laying on the dash
Love the grass, cauliflower hurting when I dumped the trash
Sour mash served in every glass up at the Wally Bash
Sunsplash, autograph blessing with your name slashed
Backdraft, four-pounders screaming with the pearly ash
Children fix the contrast as the sound clashes
Mrs. Dash, sprinkle with her icicle eyelash
Ask Cappa Pendergrass for backstage passes
Special guest, no more Johnny Blaze, Johnny Mathis
Acrobat, run up on that Love Jones actress
Distract the cat while I'm high sugar get a crack at this
dikking down Oprah, jumprope, David Dinkins
Watch the black mayor of DC hit the mocha
Tangerine sofa, two super soakers in the Rover
Hit the sport's bar, tell a young lady to bend over
Meditated yoga, Paddle Ball, dancing with the vulture
Castor Troy laying for Travolta
Yo, switch the lingo, five-nine-seventy
God glow, seven fifteen four be ebony

Ghost's pen on One, Nutmeg, and Mighty Healthy

The whole damn album

Supreme Clientele

all i know is Capp RUINED buck 50 with that shytty verse

Capp be the ONLY nikka off beat

 

[born2bewired]

I think he's more consistent than Rae also. I'll say this though. Linx 2 floored me when it dropped. I remember it leaked the same day as Blueprint 3 and that was a fun day. Considering how long it took to record, and how many producers were on it, I really thought that Linx 2 would be trash to decent at best. Then Rae also dropped that Shaolin Vs Wu Tang which was also pretty solid.

But yeah man I don't think anyone else in the Wu has Ghost's catalog. Everything you mentioned. Ironman, SC, Fishscale, and the original BW. Honestly Pretty Toney for me is very underrated. More Fish isn't bad. Big Doe Rehab had some jams. I will say this. I kinda fell off in terms of keeping up with Ghost and I missed 36 Seasons and Sour Soul. Are they worth checking out?

I'd also love the OG Napster version of Bulletproof Wallets if anyone has it.



Same. Tical is in my top 3 albums that I want to like more than I do. It's a solid 4+ mics to me, but just not quite on the level of some of the other solos. I always heard it was a little better before things got fukked up. Didn't RZA have to quickly remake some of the beats and mix them in a hurry to get it out on time?

i really liked linx 2 when it came out. i've noticed people shytting on it lately but i still think its great. i actually have an alternative version of pt 2 on my computer. Supposedly the original version. A couple years ago I lost a mix someone made of all the songs rae had put out that were supposed to be on it but i can't find it anywhere online anymore.
here is a blog post about the one i have on my computer
The Lost Tapes: [Article] An alternative version of RAEKWON's "OB4CL2"

pretty toney and big doe rehab are his most underrated. both of those albums have some of my favorite ghost songs off all time on them.
sour soul is great. 36 seasons is decent.

meth just did an interview on the breakfast club and mentioned. i've never read an actual story about it, just mentions of it in interviews.

also just found a post about that original version of bulletproof wallets
The Lost Tapes: GFK / RAEKWON - "Bulletproof Wallets" [c7 Revisit]

 

[Heretic]

Supreme Clientele is one of my favorite albums of all time. So that's my pick.

 

[born2bewired]

i really liked linx 2 when it came out. i've noticed people shytting on it lately but i still think its great. i actually have an alternative version of pt 2 on my computer. Supposedly the original version. A couple years ago I lost a mix someone made of all the songs rae had put out that were supposed to be on it but i can't find it anywhere online anymore.
here is a blog post about the one i have on my computer
The Lost Tapes: [Article] An alternative version of RAEKWON's "OB4CL2"

pretty toney and big doe rehab are his most underrated. both of those albums have some of my favorite ghost songs off all time on them.
sour soul is great. 36 seasons is decent.

meth just did an interview on the breakfast club and mentioned. i've never read an actual story about it, just mentions of it in interviews.

also just found a post about that original version of bulletproof wallets
The Lost Tapes: GFK / RAEKWON - "Bulletproof Wallets" [c7 Revisit]

The Lost Tapes: Raekwon - "Enter The Vatican" Vol. 1
most of the songs i was thinking about are on this

 

[Simonsez201]

I had this debate a few times and to me its Supreme Clientele man. That was the album I expected Ironman to be. Ghost was lyrically in his prime with that album. Plus which album is he making a sequel to??

 

[Corndog]

BTW, I don't know how many people here remember this, but back in 02/03, Cappadonna was driving a cab in NY and had an interview on some website where at the end the interviewer asked where people could get a hold of him. Cap literally dropped his cell number. The interviewer said, "Are you sure you wanna out that out there?" And Cap said it was cool.

Yoooo I used to talk with Cap on the regular honestly I tried to get him to pick my homie up from JFK when he came through NYC to visit and shyt, but Cap said he was out of town

When that dude came through New Haven with GFK and killed it (he was straight up on the turntables bringing the beat back and freestyling at the same time Cap puts on a hell of a live show even if he sometimes falls down on his rhymes on record) I called that dude after and chopped it up

Yeah, I got Fishscale right behind Ironman and SC. Pete Rock, Dilla, Just Blaze, and DOOM fit right in since RZA wasn't on there. I like Fishscale more than Bulletproof Wallets, at least the retail Bulletproof Wallets. Haven't heard the Napster leak OG version in a long time, but I remember liking it way more than the retail.

I don't think this is the napster leak or whatever but its a damn good rebuilding of what the original ought to have sounded like and it bangs all the way through, the added tracks that got left off from samples the different sequencing

Big props to that dude Claa7

The Lost Tapes: Ghostface Killah - "Bulletproof Wallets" (revisited)

But yeah man I don't think anyone else in the Wu has Ghost's catalog.

No one in hip hop can see ghost's catalog

maybe scarface
but thats it

 

[Self_Born7]

im a go with IRONMAN.... got so many classics on that shyt...... with Supreme I only fucced with a few tracks..