Will CM Punk one day surpass the likes of a Y2J, Angle or HBK?

[Nintendough]

Y2J and Angle? Yes, in another 4-5 years. HBK? Come on now, nobody could perform like HBK. :smughickenbottom:

 

[Premeditated]

he might pass HBK in a couple years, but definitely not King Kurtis and especially not Jerigoat.

 

[Dog Based Gremlin]

A lot of what you said is true, especially the bit about the merchandise, and making more money for WWE, but to be fair the reason that he means more to the history of WWE is because he has more history in WWE in general dating back 15 plus years ago which is filled with those classic tag-team ladder matches, the past 2 years have been CM Punk's only real years as a legit top guy in the company in both the eyes of the fans and the WWE.

Also, the Punk/Cena feud has meant more to WWE than any singles feud that Jeff Hardy has ever been apart of, CM Punk is also MILES better than Hardy in the ring. Punk also has a c/s from some of the best of all-time which accounts for something, and to be honest, Jeff has never had to wrestle with the burden of being one of the top 2 wrestlers in the company and being "the guy" every night like Punk has this past year, i don't think any Hardy singles feud has been "The feud" in WWE..and of course promos goes without saying which you already acknowledged

I just cant talk Punk seriously as a legend like some of the attitiude era guys. Punk reminds me of Scott Steiner circa WCW 1999-2000

meaning his roster is so bad that he looks like a big fish in a small pond. Thats just the way the cookie crumbles. Jeff 10x better as an overall performer for a company.

 

[TheGreatShowtime]

Y'all overrating the shyt out of Jeristooge.

 

[InstantKlassik]

It's true about Hardy with being with WWE longer but this is where your truths stop.

Punk is not MILES better than Hardy in the ring lol. Punk is one of more overrated talents when it comes to the ring in the business. I always use the worst possible opponent worker for a wrestler to compare how well a guy can work. So ALL of Ryback's matches with Punk were AWFUL. Fans hated, Meltzer hated. Cena gets in there, he goes longer with him and had a better match. It's amazing. Punk's matches with Jericho were not what they should be. Everyone can agree on this. Cena has had better matches with Jericho too. I keep saying Cena, because everyone thinks he sucks in the ring. I actually can't wait to see Punk vs Brock just to see if he is up to it.

Back to the topic, Jeff WAS the 2nd biggest wrestler in the company for about 2 years stretch from June 2007 to about June 2009. Guy was maineventing PPVs against Triple H, Edge, Orton, Punk, and most of those for World or WWE championships. I mean what else do you want from him? More people came to see him than anyone else other than Cena, and at times, he was above Cena.

When you say that Jeff never had the burden of being "the guy" you may be right, because he always had Cena, Orton and Triple H in that stretch, but to me Punk has never, ever been THE guy either. Just because you are WWE Champ doesn't mean that anymore. If you want to go back to say 2006 when he was the World Champ on RAW, guy was curtain jerking/only appearing at like 930.

Then fast forward to this title reign and I mean Cena is out here facing John Laurinitis maineventing PPVs, fighting Big Show in Main Events of PPVs, going up against Dolph Ziggler for no reason at all in Main Events. Meanwhile Punk is champ, and the fans aren't really riveted for him. Yes the smark towns were all for him, but when they went to bumblefukk Tennessee, no one was checking out his house shows. He is probably one of, if not the one lowest rated WWE champions of ALL TIME. So the fans tuned out, people on here were complaining, it was all over the place. He has his fans, and he should. He has a niche, but it's not a broad appeal to people.

And you can blame the booking, the writing, etc..But if Punk really wanted to change the business like he said, he could have done more to add to his championship reign. He could have complained that John Laurintis suhould not be maineventing PPVs in 2012. Hell when Hulk Hogan talked Vince into putting him and the Rock on last at Mania, Triple H and Jericho went down there to make sure the Championship (and the Kliq lol) is most important.

I've stared at your reply for about 5 mins looking for an angle to argue about but I couldn't the one thing I can say is that Punk may be overrated in the ring to a point but he's still great and one of the top 3 in the business today. Also, you've said Hardy has more classic matches then Punk but outside of the tag matches the only singles match from him that I would call classic is the Taker match, none of his title matches with Triple H , Orton or Edge are standouts, I'd actually put some of his TNA matches with Aries and Angle over those and to be honest outside of the Punk feud, I'd put his main event singles run in TNA over the WWE run without hesitation.

 

[Momentum]

Depends. How old is he right now? How much longer do you think Cena will be wrestling?

 

[The Great One]

I've stared at your reply for about 5 mins looking for an angle to argue about but I couldn't the one thing I can say is that Punk may be overrated in the ring to a point but he's still great and one of the top 3 in the business today. Also, you've said Hardy has more classic matches then Punk but outside of the tag matches the only singles match from him that I would call classic is the Taker match, none of his title matches with Triple H , Orton or Edge are standouts, I'd actually put some of his TNA matches with Aries and Angle over those and to be honest outside of the Punk feud, I'd put his main event singles run in TNA over the WWE run without hesitation.

I say overrated, but I don't think he is horrible in the ring. I am not a liar lol.

But anyway You are always one of my favorite posters lol.

 

[Momentum]

Dude isnt even top 10 of all time maybe not even top 20 and in no particular order.....here are 20 superstars better than punk as a whole (not in ring)

1. Rock
2. Austin
3. HBK
4. HHH
5. Foley
6. Edge
7. Christian
8. Jeff Hardy
9. Macho Man
10. Goldberg
11. Lesnar
12. Rey
13. Eddie
14. Jericho
15. Raven
17. Kurt Angle
18. Sabu
19. RVD
20. Ric Flair

Flair 20? You know what, Im not even doing this.

 

[Lewis Black]

CM punk aint even top 30 how he fukking with y2j?

dude needs to hit the gym before he even start thinking about being on angles level!

I aint even gonna say why he aint on shawns level.

 

[CM_Burns]

This guy drew money one night in his life , the internet fans sure don't like to mention that.

He could maybe get on or above Jericho's level, but not HBK or Angle. It's like because the internet fans like great workers and CM Punk is an internet hero, the logic is CM Punk must be a great worker, and things don't work like that. He's good, but not even comparable to Angle or HBK on an in-ring level, those are truly GOAT contenders.

 

[Dog Based Gremlin]

Flair 20? You know what, Im not even doing this.

I forgot to put "top 20 in no particular order"

 

[Versa]

He's arguably my favorite of all time. Punk, Angle, and The Rock.

The total package, a unique look. Rare talent.

The only thing that will hold him back is being great in a weak legacy, but he would've been the man in any era, so that's not really fair IMO.

Punk not being in the attitude era actually saved a lot of legends from being ethered.

 

[R=G]

 

[Versa]

CM punk aint even top 30 how he fukking with y2j?

dude needs to hit the gym before he even start thinking about being on angles level!

I aint even gonna say why he aint on shawns level.

Who are 30 wrestlers better than CM Punk? Ring work + Gimmick + Mic skills all covered?

And I love Kurt, but when you say Punk needs to hit the gym are you saying he needs to be roided up like him to be seen as one of the best?

 

[InstantKlassik]

I had the same reaction...especially after reading that last sentence