Will CM Punk one day surpass the likes of a Y2J, Angle or HBK?

Will CM Punk surpass them?


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The Great One

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Dude isnt even top 10 of all time maybe not even top 20 and in no particular order.....here are 20 superstars better than punk as a whole (not in ring)

1. Rock
2. Austin
3. HBK
4. HHH
5. Foley
6. Edge
7. Christian
8. Jeff Hardy
9. Macho Man
10. Goldberg
11. Lesnar
12. Rey
13. Eddie
14. Jericho
15. Raven
17. Kurt Angle
18. Sabu
19. RVD
20. Ric Flair
Allow me to add 30 more wrestlers who were more more important than Punk...

Booker T
Vader
Undertaker
Owen Hart
Bret Hart
British Bulldog
Sting
Hulk Hogan
Ricky Steamboat
Rick Rude
Mr. Perfect
Arn Anderson
Bob Backlund
Bruno Sammartino
Jake Roberts
Ted Dibase
Andre the Giant
Jerry Lawler
Harley Race
Roddy Piper
Dusty Rhodes
Scott Hall
Ultimo Dragon
Jushin Liger
Goldust
Terry Funk
Brian Pillman
Kane
Stan Hansen
Superstar Billy Graham


Jeff Hardy is top 25 OF ALL TIME.

You realize how many times they show him in highlight reels right?

Or how he has held EVERY MAJOR TITLE EVER.
 
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Jeff Hardy is top 25 OF ALL TIME.

You realize how many times they show him in highlight reels right?

Or how he has held EVERY MAJOR TITLE EVER.
No hate but how can you ask if this is a joke thread and then turn around and make this statement? They've showed Mick Foley fall off the HIAC countless times over the years, does that make him anywhere near even the top 20 of all-time? One thing i can say is that the Hardy feud is what legitimized Punk in the big leagues but that's as far as it goes.
 

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Lists? Oh Let's play

Let's see....

The Rock
Stone Cold
Macho Man Randy Savage
Eddie Guerrero
Ric Flair
Hulk Hogan
Jake the Snake Roberts
Rick Rude
Razor Ramon
Undertaker
Mr. Perfect
LOD
Arn Anderson
Sting
Million Dollar Man
Rey Mysterio
Piper
Bruno
Kurt Angle
 

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No hate but how can you ask if this is a joke thread and then turn around and make this statement? They've showed Mick Foley fall off the HIAC countless times over the years, does that make him anywhere near even the top 20 of all-time? One thing i can say is that the Hardy feud is what legitimized Punk in the big leagues but that's as far as it goes.

Because Jeff means more to the history of the WWE then Punk does. Jeff has more classic matches, more classic feuds, sold more merchandise, held more championships, made more money for them, I mean what more is there?

Jeff Hardy was probably the most popular wrestler in the world for about a year and half. Think about that.

The only Punk has him in is promos.

And WWE feels this way too by the way, they rated that Jeff Hardy vs Undertaker match on RAW higher than any Punk match.
 

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Back to the thread title....yes. If Angle didn't retire he'd be untouchable but I think Punk could surpass him. I don't think he could surpass y2j or HBK, because the two of them are way more versitile. Y2J can play any type of wrestling trope and succeed and draw...we all KNOW punk can't.

HBK? come on breh :heh:
 
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Because Jeff means more to the history of the WWE then Punk does. Jeff has more classic matches, more classic feuds, sold more merchandise, held more championships, made more money for them, I mean what more is there?

Jeff Hardy was probably the most popular wrestler in the world for about a year and half. Think about that.

The only Punk has him in is promos.

And WWE feels this way too by the way, they rated that Jeff Hardy vs Undertaker match on RAW higher than any Punk match.
A lot of what you said is true, especially the bit about the merchandise, and making more money for WWE, but to be fair the reason that he means more to the history of WWE is because he has more history in WWE in general dating back 15 plus years ago which is filled with those classic tag-team ladder matches, the past 2 years have been CM Punk's only real years as a legit top guy in the company in both the eyes of the fans and the WWE.

Also, the Punk/Cena feud has meant more to WWE than any singles feud that Jeff Hardy has ever been apart of, CM Punk is also MILES better than Hardy in the ring. Punk also has a c/s from some of the best of all-time which accounts for something, and to be honest, Jeff has never had to wrestle with the burden of being one of the top 2 wrestlers in the company and being "the guy" every night like Punk has this past year, i don't think any Hardy singles feud has been "The feud" in WWE..and of course promos goes without saying which you already acknowledged
 

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You saying he could pass King Kurtis but not HBK? shyt ain't adding up breh
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You must have failed math. :ppvbro:
 

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Punk's legacy is probably going to end up suffering in the rankings because of the era he's in. :manny:

He hasn't really had much to work with in terms of building classic feuds outside of the feud with :cenasabo: & maybe :bryan:

His stuff with Jericho, Rock, and Taker were nice but the potential suffered by them not being around consistently. A lot of the time, things just seemed too rushed.

His feud was Ryback was DOPE...but it suffered a little with Punk getting injured before TLC. Otherwise, that Hell In a Cell PPV with them as the main event was one of the most refreshing and interesting feuds I'd seen Punk have in a while. There was actual tension. :lupe:

Otherwise, we've known for most of the year how Punk's feuds were going to go WELL before they ever played out.
 

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A lot of what you said is true, especially the bit about the merchandise, and making more money for WWE, but to be fair the reason that he means more to the history of WWE is because he has more history in WWE in general dating back 15 plus years ago which is filled with those classic tag-team ladder matches, the past 2 years have been CM Punk's only real years as a legit top guy in the company in both the eyes of the fans and the WWE.

Also, the Punk/Cena feud has meant more to WWE than any singles feud that Jeff Hardy has ever been apart of, CM Punk is also MILES better than Hardy in the ring. Punk also has a c/s from some of the best of all-time which accounts for something, and to be honest, Jeff has never had to wrestle with the burden of being one of the top 2 wrestlers in the company and being "the guy" every night like Punk has, i don't think any Hardy singles feud has been "The feud" in WWE.

It's true about Hardy with being with WWE longer but this is where your truths stop.

Punk is not MILES better than Hardy in the ring lol. Punk is one of more overrated talents when it comes to the ring in the business. I always use the worst possible opponent worker for a wrestler to compare how well a guy can work. So ALL of Ryback's matches with Punk were AWFUL. Fans hated, Meltzer hated. Cena gets in there, he goes longer with him and had a better match. It's amazing. Punk's matches with Jericho were not what they should be. Everyone can agree on this. Cena has had better matches with Jericho too. I keep saying Cena, because everyone thinks he sucks in the ring. I actually can't wait to see Punk vs Brock just to see if he is up to it.

Back to the topic, Jeff WAS the 2nd biggest wrestler in the company for about 2 years stretch from June 2007 to about June 2009. Guy was maineventing PPVs against Triple H, Edge, Orton, Punk, and most of those for World or WWE championships. I mean what else do you want from him? More people came to see him than anyone else other than Cena, and at times, he was above Cena.

When you say that Jeff never had the burden of being "the guy" you may be right, because he always had Cena, Orton and Triple H in that stretch, but to me Punk has never, ever been THE guy either. Just because you are WWE Champ doesn't mean that anymore. If you want to go back to say 2006 when he was the World Champ on RAW, guy was curtain jerking/only appearing at like 930.

Then fast forward to this title reign and I mean Cena is out here facing John Laurinitis maineventing PPVs, fighting Big Show in Main Events of PPVs, going up against Dolph Ziggler for no reason at all in Main Events. Meanwhile Punk is champ, and the fans aren't really riveted for him. Yes the smark towns were all for him, but when they went to bumblefukk Tennessee, no one was checking out his house shows. He is probably one of, if not the one lowest rated WWE champions of ALL TIME. So the fans tuned out, people on here were complaining, it was all over the place. He has his fans, and he should. He has a niche, but it's not a broad appeal to people.

And you can blame the booking, the writing, etc..But if Punk really wanted to change the business like he said, he could have done more to add to his championship reign. He could have complained that John Laurintis should not be maineventing PPVs in 2012. Hell when Hulk Hogan talked Vince into putting him and the Rock on last at Mania, Triple H and Jericho went down there to make sure the Championship (and the Kliq lol) is most important.
 

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The only thing that punk needs to do now is hit himself with his own finisherbecause that man needs some sleep. I want him to take care of himself and not have problems later on, because I'm already having insomnia and that aint fun man.
 
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