Why won't muslims give jews their land back?

[88m3]

Games Muslims play

 

[True Weltch Media]

The UN should take that back Jerusalem and surrounding areas and make it a Global Federation Community governed by the UN. Move the HQ out of NYC to there. Split the rest of the areas equally between both countries and amend the charter to have an international force occupy the country which instigates any violence between one another.

TUH For President

 

[ejthompson23]

1948 was the mandate for the settlement. Ergo, the 1948 borders are the same borders as the 1967 borders.

Do you believe as a matter of principle that countries shouldn't have to give back conquered land? If you do that's fine. We just disagree on a matter of principle. No big deal. I just believe personally in a world where there are some kind of established norms for peace and stability. Might is right is not the world I like, friend.



It started formally on oct 14, it acutally started on the 10th. Look it up. And as far as the actual airlift, Israel received more than all the countries combined and then some. Furthermore, Israel is not really a tiny country in terms of arms. They outnumbered the Arab armies in the 1948 and 67 wars. I'm not even trying to debate factual history with you friend. I'm not even saying anything counter to Israel...

The conversation should end here friend. You're saying stupid things like the whole religion of Islam was spread by Muhammed under forced conversions when that again doesn't even seem factually possible.

I do believe conquered land shouldn't be given back...me my self im Haitian and my ancestors won our freedom and country frm the French...can they claim it back?...all I ask is to ask of other countries what people ask of Israel...if they should accept being hit wit 800 rockets a year and not only not retaliate, dnt eradicate the problem, then other countries should do the same...if they should give land where they have a historical and spiritual claim to, not only that bt they won in battle, then other countries should do the same...
For the other point bout Islam being spread by the sword, that's true...bt dats also true bout every other religion specially Christianity so we even there...the difference is both religions were started by forced conversions, but only one is forcibly keeping people in them (Islam)...apostates get the death penalty in Islam

 

[Broke Wave]

I do believe conquered land shouldn't be given back...me my self im Haitian and my ancestors won our freedom and country frm the French...can they claim it back?...all I ask is to ask of other countries what people ask of Israel...if they should accept being hit wit 800 rockets a year and not only not retaliate, dnt eradicate the problem, then other countries should do the same...if they should give land where they have a historical and spiritual claim to, not only that bt they won in battle, then other countries should do the same...
For the other point bout Islam being spread by the sword, that's true...bt dats also true bout every other religion specially Christianity so we even there...the difference is both religions were started by forced conversions, but only one is forcibly keeping people in them (Islam)...apostates get the death penalty in Islam

The rockets are a whole other complicated issue however I never said that Israel shouldn't retaliate. Furthermore, the French took the land from the natives there, so it wasn't even their land to begin with, so that's a terrible example.

Apostates do not get the death penalty in mainstream Islam, only in some interpretations. Islam is a very varied religion with a very varied history. Some people we're brought to Islam under bad circumstances and others though good ones. Not my cup of tea to generalize anything.

 

[88m3]

Apostates do not get the death penalty in mainstream Islam, only in some interpretations. Islam is a very varied religion with a very varied history. Some people we're brought to Islam under bad circumstances and others though good ones. Not my cup of tea to generalize anything.

What are some modern examples of "mainstream Islam"? You're referring to nations/legal stance?

 

[Broke Wave]

What are some modern examples of "mainstream Islam"? You're referring to nations/legal stance?

Yeah that's what I mean. It's not illegal to be an apostate in any Muslim country on earth however I should make the distinction between that and apostasy. It's leaving Islam and promoting another religion which is illegal in those nations (even then that isn't really what we agree with as Muslims).

Indonesia is the most populated Muslim country and has no such law on the books along with Bangladesh. Them together is like a 7th of all Muslims.

 

[88m3]

Yeah that's what I mean. It's not illegal to be an apostate in any Muslim country on earth however I should make the distinction between that and apostasy. It's leaving Islam and promoting another religion which is illegal in those nations (even then that isn't really what we agree with as Muslims).

Indonesia is the most populated Muslim country and has no such law on the books along with Bangladesh. Them together is like a 7th of all Muslims.

Pakistan
Iran
Saudi



States with death penalty for apostasy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/States_with_death_penalty_for_apostasy.svg

 

[Broke Wave]

Pakistan
Iran
Saudi

Being an apostate and apostasy are different things. Either way, that's not the belief of many Muslims regardless, including myself.

 

[88m3]

Being an apostate and apostasy are different things. Either way, that's not the belief of many Muslims regardless, including myself.

yeah buddy?


Page 15

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2010/12/Pew-Global-Attitudes-Muslim-Report-FINAL-December-2-2010.pdf

 

[Broke Wave]

yeah buddy?


Page 15

http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2010/12/Pew-Global-Attitudes-Muslim-Report-FINAL-December-2-2010.pdf

Read the info yourself. Also I'm weary of such a wide running poll

 

[88m3]

Read the info yourself. Also I'm weary of such a wide running poll

I read it.



Because Islam respects other religions do you think that the countries where these acts took place should give the land that was stolen back to Jews? Or do you think they all left willingly too? You're bright enough to not to paint all people with same brush. Iran is a well documented more recent example if you're not familiar with the issue.

 

[Broke Wave]

I read it.



Because Islam respects other religions do you think that the countries where these acts took place should give the land that was stolen back to Jews? Or do you think they all left willingly too? Iran is a well documented more recent example if you're not familiar with the issue.

If a Jewish resident of a Muslim country has proof he or she got their land stolen, regardless of Islam and outside of Islam we can say that legally they should be allowed to their own property. The evidence suggests that MOST of them left willing, and that's evidence from prominent Israeli Zionist historians.

 

[88m3]

If a Jewish resident of a Muslim country has proof he or she got their land stolen, regardless of Islam and outside of Islam we can say that legally they should be allowed to their own property. The evidence suggests that MOST of them left willing, and that's evidence from prominent Israeli Zionist historians.

The same could be said of indigenous people in the Americas and Mexicans in what would become the South Western States in terms of "proof". The fact that the governments were behind if not responsible for this push tells you about all you need to know. We're talking about what hundreds of thousands, millions of people? I guest most is good enough for some people.
Ever wonder if Zionist historians have their own agenda in saying this? I can think of a few.

 

[Broke Wave]

The same could be said of indigenous people in the Americas and Mexicans in what would become the South Western States in terms of "proof". The fact that the governments were behind if not responsible for this push tells you about all you need to know. We're talking about what hundreds of thousands, millions of people? I guest most is good enough for some people.
Ever wonder if Zionist historians have their own agenda in saying this? I can think of a few.

Time frame is important though, we're talking about mass and fast migrations not things that occured over a mater of decades and centuries. There were no governments really they were vassals of the UK and France. Regardless I don't think that this is really a complicated issue. Israel was formed and the Arab Jews were not forced to go there they mostly chose to. Some were forced and if they wanted to come back to their homes and had a legal claim I would support them as much as I support the Palestinian cause.

 

[Blackking]

Nope bt we wouldnt have religious strife and crimes...I wish I knew how to upload videos on here....I saw a video of a Islamic imam saying its not even about the land...it's the fact that they are Jews...the state of Israel compose of less then 1% of the middle east...only 6 million Jews versus 300 million Arabs...they are just mad that they cnt defeat this little nation...historically the Arabs had an empire frm Spain (al-andalus) to the borders of China...obviously Jews are located every where on earth so the Muslims was ruling over them every where...now it pains them to see the same Jews that was their slaves are their masters, especially in their holy city of Jerusalem...I think this whole fight is about pride...bt religion is to blame...a Iraqi or Yemeni Jew is no different them a Muslim frm the same country..the only difference is the religion...

So the opinion of one random Imam represents an entire community of people who just want to live their lives?

And Israel is a puppet state and portal for everything that is Anti-mideast, anti Islam, anti arab, anti black arab, ..... and the State is an outlet for everything western imperialism, cac colonalizm, arab oppression, criminal control of resources, and Western presence in the mid east. and has been since the 1940's so the fact that they are 1% of the mideast is irrelevant.