Why won't muslims give jews their land back?

[ejthompson23]

So the opinion of one random Imam represents an entire community of people who just want to live their lives?

And Israel is a puppet state and portal for everything that is Anti-mideast, anti Islam, anti arab, anti black arab, ..... and the State is an outlet for everything western imperialism, cac colonalizm, arab oppression, criminal control of resources, and Western presence in the mid east. and has been since the 1940's so the fact that they are 1% of the mideast is irrelevant.

So you gonna act like the imam was speaking to himself? His congregation fully support his words...shyt the ex president of Egypt Mohammed morsi had to apologize wen they caught him on tape in a mosque repeating after his imam saying death to the Jews...and yes Israel got the right to be 100% anti Islam...Islam is all bout death n destruction n hate...im against that shyt too...u talk all that shyt knowing full well that if u was in the middle east in a Muslim country your neck woulda been on the chopping block for anything "unislamic"

 

[ejthompson23]

The rockets are a whole other complicated issue however I never said that Israel shouldn't retaliate. Furthermore, the French took the land from the natives there, so it wasn't even their land to begin with, so that's a terrible example.

Apostates do not get the death penalty in mainstream Islam, only in some interpretations. Islam is a very varied religion with a very varied history. Some people we're brought to Islam under bad circumstances and others though good ones. Not my cup of tea to generalize anything.

Okay bt why should Israel keep "retaliating"...that's playing a cat n mouse game...the USA would never allow terrorists at their borders to launch hundreds of rockets at them...we woulda go in there n get the job done the first time If happen...these punks on Gaza are slick...they call cease fires just to give them time to reload n then repeat the same actions...and it's funny how u think launching rockets into civilian population "is just another complicated issue"...not once did you denounce them bt all u do is sweep it under the rug...you a hypocrite...if Israel was doing the same you woulda call for boycotts n sanctions...people like you deserve to move to the middle east lol...

 

[Techniec]

The Jewish exodus from the Islamic world was a tragedy in many ways, culturally, historically, morally etc

It does need to be both contextualized within the formation of the state of Israel and also held to a certain extent distinct from that conflict

What I mean by that, is yes discrimination and dispossession occured against them, and this should be rectified, and I would like to see this rectified as part of a greater solution

However alot of them willingly left to go to Israel, and this isnt some revisionist bullshyt like what Israelis like to spew about Arab radio broadcasts asking palestinians to leave

On the flipside, attempts to link this solution to a Palestinian solution directly (meaning we dont deal with one if we cant deal with both) is just more bullshiit stalling and obstacles from the Israeli side

 

[spoiled]

It started formally on oct 14, it acutally started on the 10th. Look it up. And as far as the actual airlift, Israel received more than all the countries combined and then some. Furthermore, Israel is not really a tiny country in terms of arms. They outnumbered the Arab armies in the 1948 and 67 wars. I'm not even trying to debate factual history with you friend. I'm not even saying anything counter to Israel...

The conversation should end here friend. You're saying stupid things like the whole religion of Islam was spread by Muhammed under forced conversions when that again doesn't even seem factually possible.

Israel and Arabs both received help from superpowers, now you wanna cry how israel received more help? It was fighting against three countries in three fronts and was already pushing back before massive US airlift. And why do you keep rewriting history? Arabs had more troops and weapons in all the wars they fought against Israel.

it's well known that islam was spread in Arab countries by muslim conquests.

 

[TLOL is back]

I do know the difference, but U.N. Resolutions are not insignificant. Furthermore, law exists in accordance to interpretation. The Supreme Court interprets the constitution all the time and as a result we live under that interpretation.

Yes, but the Supreme Court is not a politically-motivated organization. It is legally-motivated. Furthermore, it is based on legal expertise, not international pressure politics.

As far as the settlements, this is where I have to remind you again about the Fourth Geneva Convention, which even the Israeli High Court affirmed applies in this situation.

The fourth geneva conventions states a country may not transfer its population. it does not forbid allowance of people moving on their own.

By colonization, I'm talking about the settlements and demolition. Obviously there are a plethora of issues associated with occupation.

"Associated with the occupation" and "occupation" are two different things. Again, which article of international law says that Israeli occupation is illegal?

 

[TLOL is back]

lol, so it's all because of Islam...

I never said that.

 

[Broke Wave]

Yes, but the Supreme Court is not a politically-motivated organization. It is legally-motivated. Furthermore, it is based on legal expertise, not international pressure politics.



The fourth geneva conventions states a country may not transfer its population. it does not forbid allowance of people moving on their own.



"Associated with the occupation" and "occupation" are two different things. Again, which article of international law says that Israeli occupation is illegal?

The bolded is totally your opinion. It is not based on "legal expertise" and it is totally political. They are appointed judges who interpret laws and this has a political effect. Therefore they are politically motivated.

The Geneva Convention says they shall not deport or transfer... DEPORT would indicate a forceful government sponsored program of mass movement. Transfer is more open ended. By implicitly and directly encouraging and protecting the settlements. IF a settlement is authorized by the Israeli government, then the government is obviously transferring people not as a matter of policy but as a matter of fact. They are authorizing the construction of homes for their citizens on land they have no authority on purely based on their occupation and that is why it is illegal.

Even the original sponsor of the 4th convention agree. Furthermore, there is not a single Palestinian family living in the settlements save for a noteworthy Jewish convert. This is further evidence that it is in fact a government sanctioned program.

 

[Blackking]

So you gonna act like the imam was speaking to himself? His congregation fully support his words...shyt the ex president of Egypt Mohammed morsi had to apologize wen they caught him on tape in a mosque repeating after his imam saying death to the Jews...and yes Israel got the right to be 100% anti Islam...Islam is all bout death n destruction n hate...im against that shyt too...u talk all that shyt knowing full well that if u was in the middle east in a Muslim country your neck woulda been on the chopping block for anything "unislamic"

naw, i really don't disrespect cultures when i travel. for what?

 

[ejthompson23]

U conveniently ignored the other 2 points and addressed the last one...I guess u just ran out of excuses...

 

[Blackking]

U conveniently ignored the other 2 points and addressed the last one...I guess u just ran out of excuses...

its just that you're not making good points. What do you want me to say? That there aren't extremist on all sides?

 

[ejthompson23]

its just that you're not making good points. What do you want me to say? That there aren't extremist on all sides?

There is bt you're excusing the Palestinians and justifying their crimes...you're not a neutral party...you already picked your side...

 

[Blackking]

There is bt you're excusing the Palestinians and justifying their crimes...you're not a neutral party...you already picked your side...

lol, your right i can't wait to fly over there and throw some rocks at US missiles sitting in Israel.

I'm not on either side... boths sides are probably racist towards my people--- I don't see Palestinians supporting black causes.

I'm on the side of righteousness and in this case I see all the actions of Israel and the West since the 40's n go

 

[ejthompson23]

lol, your right i can't wait to fly over there and throw some rocks at US missiles sitting in Israel.

I'm not on either side... boths sides are probably racist towards my people--- I don't see Palestinians supporting black causes.

I'm on the side of righteousness and in this case I see all the actions of Israel and the West since the 40's n go

Wats good for the goose is good for gander...people want Israel to return land while sitting on the internet in stolen land them selves...the end of the story is Israel won its territory...whoever gets their feelings hurt over that can kick or throw rocks...if they wanted to fight to get that land back they know where the battlefield is...bt for now all y'all do is whine on message boards

 

[Blackking]

Wats good for the goose is good for gander...people want Israel to return land while sitting on the internet in stolen land them selves...the end of the story is Israel won its territory...whoever gets their feelings hurt over that can kick or throw rocks...if they wanted to fight to get that land back they know where the battlefield is...bt for now all y'all do is whine on message boards

are you and every Zionist apologist not on the internet?? It seems that you are as well.

and that isn't my people so I can't care too much...... I just know who's criminal in that situation - it's pretty obvious.

 

[Black Hans]

The Freemasons maintain an ancient DNA database underneath HAARP. They spread the DNA with chemtrails, turning random Europeans into Jews. It was very clever trickery. #INHERENTLY

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