Why won't muslims give jews their land back?

[Broke Wave]

I'm familiar with the implications of this and oil and all that...but I don't even know what your point is here?

I don't play the "XYZ claimed this land" shyt after 2000 years.

Whats done, is done.

If the Arabs want "palestine" back in FULL form, they gotta do it cause they ain't DONE it yet.

I don't even care who lives there anymore. I really don't.

My point was only about Israel beating the Arabs for close to 70 years when it really isn't the case. I don't think it's possible to get Palestine back totally to the Palestinians, I just want international law and standards to be accepted and the occupation to be ended. It's inhumane, illegal and totally unjustified. The Israelis want to continue the status quo so they can build more settlements and then claim that the settlements are "reality on the ground" build more walls etc etc until the whole land is colonized.

 

[ejthompson23]

My point was only about Israel beating the Arabs for close to 70 years when it really isn't the case. I don't think it's possible to get Palestine back totally to the Palestinians, I just want international law and standards to be accepted and the occupation to be ended. It's inhumane, illegal and totally unjustified. The Israelis want to continue the status quo so they can build more settlements and then claim that the settlements are "reality on the ground" build more walls etc etc until the whole land is colonized.

Well why dnt you want international law here and give the land back to the Indians...we colonized this country and put the original inhabitants on "reservations"...bt I bet you won't volunteer to return your house back to the Indians huh...lol just admit you hate Jews...your point will be way more clearer then beating around the bush...

 

[Black Magisterialness]

People are missing the point. The conflict over that land was never truly about Jews/Muslims....even most Muslims don't understand this. Jews like Muslims are originally of Arab/Aramaic decent. They share bloodlines. The issue is that the Israel of today is an extension of Western Colonialism, and of the original people who migrated there weren't of Arab decent.

If you can't understand that point then it would be hard for you to talk about anything dealing with this situation. It's about way more than just 2 religions.

 

[Broke Wave]

Well why dnt you want international law here and give the land back to the Indians...we colonized this country and put the original inhabitants on "reservations"...bt I bet you won't volunteer to return your house back to the Indians huh...lol just admit you hate Jews...your point will be way more clearer then beating around the bush...

TBH I'm in a good mood today so I'm not even gonna roast you, I'm just going to assume you're serious...

Do you really want to compare one of the greatest crimes against humanity to the birth of Israel? That's up to you, I didn't make the distinction.

You're trying to live in a world where might is right and frankly friend, I want to live in a friendlier world with rules and friends. I think you should try and address me with stronger arguments instead of accusing me of anti antisemitism and gigantic slippery slopes that can leave friends hurt, friend

 

[Camile.Bidan]

Well same thing with us here...a small group of Europeans conquered native Americans which was in the millions...now this country is less then 5% native Americans...if we being technical then Americans dnt belong here..that's not their land...regardless if they are the majority...bt nobody is asking or making the USA give Indians back the land...so why should Israel be an exception...

I don't see how American Situation is similar to Turkey. The people in Turkey are native to that region.


What you're saying implies that Mexicans don't belong in Mexico because they don't speak some Mayan or Aztec Language even though the vast majority of them can trace their roots back to the indigenous people.

 

[ejthompson23]

Native how? It depends on how far back you willing to go...the Jews trace their history to the land 4000 years back...dnt that make them native to the land? The Turks didn't get to Anatolia till 500 years ago...bt yes they are still natives to it...just like we been in this country since 1619...we are natives to the land...my whole point is Israel shouldn't be asked or expected to give a land that they are 1) natives to...2) conquered and won...and yes you right if we being technical the "Mexicans" are nothing bt white Spaniards who mixed with some Indians...and others who didn't...the land belongs to the Mayans Aztecs olmecs Indians...

 

[TLOL is back]

My point was only about Israel beating the Arabs for close to 70 years when it really isn't the case. I don't think it's possible to get Palestine back totally to the Palestinians, I just want international law and standards to be accepted and the occupation to be ended. It's inhumane, illegal and totally unjustified. The Israelis want to continue the status quo so they can build more settlements and then claim that the settlements are "reality on the ground" build more walls etc etc until the whole land is colonized.

Which article of international law says that occupation is illegal in all possible situations?

 

[Broke Wave]

Which article of international law says that occupation is illegal in all possible situations?

No article says that friend. but you're building a straw man. I'm saying that this specific incident is Illegal, not that all occupations are illegal. Furthermore, if you're pro porting to respect definitions of illegality and international law, I'm happy to have that discussion

Native how? It depends on how far back you willing to go...the Jews trace their history to the land 4000 years back...dnt that make them native to the land? The Turks didn't get to Anatolia till 500 years ago...bt yes they are still natives to it...just like we been in this country since 1619...we are natives to the land...my whole point is Israel shouldn't be asked or expected to give a land that they are 1) natives to...2) conquered and won...and yes you right if we being technical the "Mexicans" are nothing bt white Spaniards who mixed with some Indians...and others who didn't...the land belongs to the Mayans Aztecs olmecs Indians...

You need to work on your arguments. Right now you're saying that there's no time frame with regards to being native to a land. You confirm that Turks are native to Anatolia, then allow land to be conquered as another condition to being native. Using this logic, Germany invaded Poland and occupied them for 5 years, during those 5 years Germany was native to that land. If America invades Iraq and Americans live in Iraq henceforth, those Americans are native. There are no reasonable limits

 

[TLOL is back]

No article says that friend. but you're building a straw man. I'm saying that this specific incident is Illegal, not that all occupations are illegal. Furthermore, if you're pro porting to respect definitions of illegality and international law, I'm happy to have that discussion

Sure.

Please provide an article of international law (not a UN resolution, an article of international law) that states that the Israeli occupation is illegal.

 

[ejthompson23]

No article says that friend. but you're building a straw man. I'm saying that this specific incident is Illegal, not that all occupations are illegal. Furthermore, if you're pro porting to respect definitions of illegality and international law, I'm happy to have that discussion



You need to work on your arguments. Right now you're saying that there's no time frame with regards to being native to a land. You confirm that Turks are native to Anatolia, then allow land to be conquered as another condition to being native. Using this logic, Germany invaded Poland and occupied them for 5 years, during those 5 years Germany was native to that land. If America invades Iraq and Americans live in Iraq henceforth, those Americans are native. There are no reasonable limits

I never said the Turks are native in the way that they are originated in the land...I said clearly they are frm central Asia...I admit that this is their land now because it has been that way for 500 years...if u want Israel to give the land back since they are immigrants n don't belong there it's only fair to ask the same of the Turks...yes you are right about the Iraq example...bt Germany only was in Poland for 5 years...they were not natives...there was not even one generation of Germans there...they simply wanted the land...the only claim spiritual claim that the Muslims have is Muhammad took a night journey going out west...in fact the name Jerusalem thus Palestine is not mentioned at all in the quran...now if they fought n won the land woulda been theirs regardless of Israel's spiritual claim...bt they lost...they can keep fighting as long as they fight the Israel army...the civilian population is off limits since the Israeli army is not hiding in the civilian population...

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

we should just worship graphite and give Greenland rule over all lands

 

[Broke Wave]

Sure.

Please provide an article of international law (not a UN resolution, an article of international law) that states that the Israeli occupation is illegal.

Don't try and dismiss a UN resolution as not being international law...

Furthermore, the occupation of Iraq was not illegal because occupations are not illegal... aggressive wars are. It's disingenuous to talk about the occupation as if it just became status quo one day, it was as the result of a pre-emptive war.

What is illegal with regards to the occupation, I said that this INCIDENT is illegal, meaning the colonization of the West Bank and Gaza beyond the 1967 borders. Building settlements in occupied land and demolishing the homes of the occupied among other things are clearly illegal, something like the occupation is a grey area because of America's de facto occupation of Europe and Korea.

 

[TLOL is back]

Don't try and dismiss a UN resolution as not being international law...

So what I'm understanding is you don't know the difference between international law, and the UN's (a political organization's) interpretation of international law.

What is illegal with regards to the occupation, I said that this INCIDENT is illegal, meaning the colonization of the West Bank and Gaza beyond the 1967 borders.

Which article of international law states this?

Building settlements in occupied land and demolishing the homes of the occupied among other things are clearly illegal, something like the occupation is a grey area because of America's de facto occupation of Europe and Korea.

That is a separate issue.

 

[spoiled]

You can't provide any evdience that they don't care. It's a agenda by Arab Countries...?? When did Ireland become an Arab Country? They are one of biggest BDS supporters in the world. Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria have the biggest population of palestinans refugees, so please your excuse for not having knowledge.

The last sentence is such rhetoric horseshyt, it could only come from a zionist mouth. It's false and just plain retarded.

by taking in I mean assimilating them in the society, not putting them in refugee camps. jewish refugees were integrated into the european and israel society while palestinian refugees are treated like subhumans by arab countries.
my last sentence is a realistic solution if arab countries actually cared about palestinians.

 

[Broke Wave]

So what I'm understanding is you don't know the difference between international law, and the UN's (a political organization's) interpretation of international law.



Which article of international law states this?



That is a separate issue.

I do know the difference, but U.N. Resolutions are not insignificant. Furthermore, law exists in accordance to interpretation. The Supreme Court interprets the constitution all the time and as a result we live under that interpretation.

As far as the settlements, this is where I have to remind you again about the Fourth Geneva Convention, which even the Israeli High Court affirmed applies in this situation. By colonization, I'm talking about the settlements and demolition. Obviously there are a plethora of issues associated with occupation.

I never said the Turks are native in the way that they are originated in the land...I said clearly they are frm central Asia...I admit that this is their land now because it has been that way for 500 years...if u want Israel to give the land back since they are immigrants n don't belong there it's only fair to ask the same of the Turks...yes you are right about the Iraq example...bt Germany only was in Poland for 5 years...they were not natives...there was not even one generation of Germans there...they simply wanted the land...the only claim spiritual claim that the Muslims have is Muhammad took a night journey going out west...in fact the name Jerusalem thus Palestine is not mentioned at all in the quran...now if they fought n won the land woulda been theirs regardless of Israel's spiritual claim...bt they lost...they can keep fighting as long as they fight the Israel army...the civilian population is off limits since the Israeli army is not hiding in the civilian population...

You literally said that Turks are native in Turkey... now you are changing your words. I never said that I wanted Israel to give the land back beyond the 1967 borders. If all you need is one generation to be natives then I guess the first Pilgrims in America we're native by 1700. As far as spirituality... I don't think you want to debate Islamic theology as it has nothing to do with this conflict but the Quran does actually mention Jerusalem but not by name. Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem but then it was changed to Mecca. The rest of what you're saying seems to by hypothetical... this isn't about Muslims spiritual claim or Islam. It's about politics.