Why won't muslims give jews their land back?

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[spoiled]

I'm actually on record here saying that I think Israel has a more lethal and effective military than Russia and could definitely defend themselves against the Russians. I more than respect Israels military superiority but the history tells a story regardless of our narratives.

The Soviets backed every ARAB country (I'm not sure why them being mostly Muslim is relevant) in the region however they backed them in the sense that they sold them weapons and advisers. America litearlly did an overnight airlift of weapons and supplies that turned the tide of the war. There is obviously a massive difference between what happened for both parties. So obviously Israel won but it would be disingenuous to say that they just defeated the Arab countries when America did everything except press fire.

Remember the oil embargo in the 70's? It was because of this issue.

Damn you really are ignorant. Soviets airlifted massive amount of weapons during the war to egypt and syria.

Starting on October 9, the Soviet Union began supplying Egypt and Syria by air and by sea. The Soviets airlifted 12,500–15,000 tons of supplies, of which 6,000 tons went to Egypt, 3,750 tons went to Syria and 575 tons went to Iraq. General Shazly, the former Egyptian chief of staff, claimed that more than half of the airlifted Soviet hardware actually went to Syria. According to Ze'ev Schiff, Arab losses were so high and the attrition rate so great that equipment was taken directly from Soviet and Warsaw Pact stores to supply the airlift.

Israel began receiving american airlift on october 14, by that time IDF was already deep into syrian territory. Egyptians couldn't advance any further after october 9 and IDF was pushing them back.

 

[thekingsmen]

by taking in I mean assimilating them in the society, not putting them in refugee camps. jewish refugees were integrated into the european and israel society while palestinian refugees are treated like subhumans by arab countries.
my last sentence is a realistic solution if arab countries actually cared about palestinians.

Bring evidence forward...don't talk without it.

 

[Broke Wave]

Damn you really are ignorant. Soviets airlifted massive amount of weapons during the war to egypt and syria.
Israel began receiving american airlift on october 14, by that time IDF was already deep into syrian territory. Egyptians couldn't advance any further after october 9 and IDF was pushing them back.

Yeah buddy so what did I say that was inaccurate? America airlifted more to Israel than the Soviets did to all the Arab countries. Israel received the Airlift by OCTOBER 10TH idiot

 

[spoiled]

Yeah buddy so what did I say that was inaccurate? America airlifted more to Israel than the Soviets did to all the Arab countries. Israel received the Airlift by OCTOBER 10TH idiot

Air Mobility Command Museum - Eyewitness to History - Operation Nickel Grass
It started on october 14 you idiot. No point arguing with morons like you who think it's fair for three countries with help from a superpower to attack a tiny country but when that country gets help from another superpower you gonna start crying foul

 

[ejthompson23]

I do know the difference, but U.N. Resolutions are not insignificant. Furthermore, law exists in accordance to interpretation. The Supreme Court interprets the constitution all the time and as a result we live under that interpretation.

As far as the settlements, this is where I have to remind you again about the Fourth Geneva Convention, which even the Israeli High Court affirmed applies in this situation. By colonization, I'm talking about the settlements and demolition. Obviously there are a plethora of issues associated with occupation.



You literally said that Turks are native in Turkey... now you are changing your words. I never said that I wanted Israel to give the land back beyond the 1967 borders. If all you need is one generation to be natives then I guess the first Pilgrims in America we're native by 1700. As far as spirituality... I don't think you want to debate Islamic theology as it has nothing to do with this conflict but the Quran does actually mention Jerusalem but not by name. Muslims used to pray towards Jerusalem but then it was changed to Mecca. The rest of what you're saying seems to by hypothetical... this isn't about Muslims spiritual claim or Islam. It's about politics.

Bt why should they go back to 1967 borders? Why not 1948 borders..? They shouldn't have to give back conquered land...

 

[Blackking]

Actually historical accounts suggest that Jews have been subjected to dozens of pogroms and brutality since Islam was born.

lol, so it's all because of Islam...

 

[ejthompson23]

lol, so it's all because of Islam...

Yes...bt its religion period thats fueled the hate...Christians killed Jews fir thousands of years...the Jews are hated strictly frm a religious point of view...let's not dance around the issue...

 

[Blackking]

Yes...bt its religion period thats fueled the hate...Christians killed Jews fir thousands of years...the Jews are hated strictly frm a religious point of view...let's not dance around the issue...

so if everyone was atheist we would have world peace and no world hunger, resources would be even distributed.

 

[ejthompson23]

so if everyone was atheist we would have world peace and no world hunger, resources would be even distributed.

Nope bt we wouldnt have religious strife and crimes...I wish I knew how to upload videos on here....I saw a video of a Islamic imam saying its not even about the land...it's the fact that they are Jews...the state of Israel compose of less then 1% of the middle east...only 6 million Jews versus 300 million Arabs...they are just mad that they cnt defeat this little nation...historically the Arabs had an empire frm Spain (al-andalus) to the borders of China...obviously Jews are located every where on earth so the Muslims was ruling over them every where...now it pains them to see the same Jews that was their slaves are their masters, especially in their holy city of Jerusalem...I think this whole fight is about pride...bt religion is to blame...a Iraqi or Yemeni Jew is no different them a Muslim frm the same country..the only difference is the religion...

 

[ill]

are some of you plain retarded or something It's not about jews being choose people and god giving them land, hell forget that they were even jews. Million people were forced out of their home because of their religion, and it wasn't even that long ago. Why won't anyone call out those muslim countries?

Its only convenient to persecute Jews for their crimes, not the people that forced the Jews into committing them.

 

[dontspeakmuch]

The similarity is if the

the similarity is both peoples "don't belong" where they are...Muslims always claim that Jews are free to live in their countries bt we know dats a lie...in 90% of Muslim countries converting frm Islam is punishable by death...why ar We even taking these peoples side...they're killers plain and simple and we just applauding them...

Being a muslim and leaving Islam is known as apostasy. Even among muslims, there is some debate as to whether it is punishable by death. I believe that these laws about apostasy and even homosexuality are used to terrorize the people. If the gov wants him dead, charge him with homosexuality or apostasy, the religious figures may support you and the people will not be as likely to oppose the religious leaders. However, there is no penalty for being a jew. Look throughout history, muslims have no history of forcing conversions on other religions, the only infraction they have bared is a higher tax. Jews and Christians are people of the book and one Caliph extended this status to Hindus. I'm not saying no muslims have held guns to people head and forced them to take a shahada or die or something like that. I'm saying that according to the Quran, it is impossible to force a shahada and if you say you dont believe in islam but you really do, that also doesnt count. Islam is a religion of intentions.

 

[ejthompson23]

Being a muslim and leaving Islam is known as apostasy. Even among muslims, there is some debate as to whether it is punishable by death. I believe that these laws about apostasy and even homosexuality are used to terrorize the people. If the gov wants him dead, charge him with homosexuality or apostasy, the religious figures may support you and the people will not be as likely to oppose the religious leaders. However, there is no penalty for being a jew. Look throughout history, muslims have no history of forcing conversions on other religions, the only infraction they have bared is a higher tax. Jews and Christians are people of the book and one Caliph extended this status to Hindus. I'm not saying no muslims have held guns to people head and forced them to take a shahada or die or something like that. I'm saying that according to the Quran, it is impossible to force a shahada and if you say you dont believe in islam but you really do, that also doesnt count. Islam is a religion of intentions.

Lol u gotta be joking...Islam never forced conversions? You been living in a cave? It's estimated the muslims in their invasion of India killed over 100 million Hindus...there is no penalty for being a Jew except constant harassment, forced conversions, death threats, charges of blasphemy (which results in a death charge)...you excusing these Muslims brutality...this the internet age people dnt have to listen to you clowns to find the truth...any Google search will do...the Qur'an just like any religious book say one thing while practicing another...it's irrelevant to bring that to the discussion...

 

[spoiled]

No forced conversions? The whole religion of islam was spread by Muhammad and his followers attacking and conquering other's lands

 

[Broke Wave]

Bt why should they go back to 1967 borders? Why not 1948 borders..? They shouldn't have to give back conquered land...

1948 was the mandate for the settlement. Ergo, the 1948 borders are the same borders as the 1967 borders.

Do you believe as a matter of principle that countries shouldn't have to give back conquered land? If you do that's fine. We just disagree on a matter of principle. No big deal. I just believe personally in a world where there are some kind of established norms for peace and stability. Might is right is not the world I like, friend.

Air Mobility Command Museum - Eyewitness to History - Operation Nickel Grass
It started on october 14 you idiot. No point arguing with morons like you who think it's fair for three countries with help from a superpower to attack a tiny country but when that country gets help from another superpower you gonna start crying foul

It started formally on oct 14, it acutally started on the 10th. Look it up. And as far as the actual airlift, Israel received more than all the countries combined and then some. Furthermore, Israel is not really a tiny country in terms of arms. They outnumbered the Arab armies in the 1948 and 67 wars. I'm not even trying to debate factual history with you friend. I'm not even saying anything counter to Israel...

The conversation should end here friend. You're saying stupid things like the whole religion of Islam was spread by Muhammed under forced conversions when that again doesn't even seem factually possible.