Why were there more black on black crime in the 70s(before rap) than now?

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I thought you were more on the old head side? Saying everything was cool until the new generation came in :mjpls:

Ya'll are going to completely ignore the complex reasons for the high rate of crime then. Just so you can say "look at how violent they were then" but ignore the fact that violence now is largely over petty bullshyt?
 

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I thought you were more on the old head side? Saying everything was cool until the new generation came in :mjpls:
This isn't really and old head vs. young head issue tho. The stats are right there to back up the claim that homicides decreased as popularity in hip hop increased. With that said a lot of shyt was better back in the day except for the weed
 

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First, rap has little to do today with people blowing each others heads off directly. Its not as simple and cut & dry as a person puts on headphones, hears violent lyrics and gets the desire to kill. Its much more complex than that. If a white kid went and shot up his school after listening to violent punk rock music, people wouldn't simply point to the music as the blame, so it would be idiotic to think rap is causing the same violent reactions in the black community.

People would look at that white kids environment, upbringing and family structure to diagnose the issues. The music would simply be "gas on top of the fire".

The problem is that lots of people outright deny that rap could potentially be this "gas on top of the fire" in certain people's lives. I've even seen posters state verbatim that "music itself has zero affect on the human psyche", so this will always be a very divisive topic:yeshrug:

Secondly, today (with it being the most popular & influential art form on the planet) rap is moreso used to promote and glorify the MINDSET that white supremacists wants blacks to be in. Remember: white supremacy cannot thrive without our participation.

Also its used heavily as "media propaganda" to continue the demonization of the black image GLOBALLY. Its used to keep the most negative stereotypes of black people in the mainstream conscious.

Actual physical violence is probably the LEAST side effect of rap for black people. Its more a psychological and image hinderance.


these idiots really saying ppl are BLAMING rap for the violence :deadmanny:
then they will deny the influence of rap but won't be able to explain why celebs are paid millions to endorse certain products :deadmanny:
 

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There was an article I read back that this was possibly due to the widespread use of leaded gasoline adopted 20 years prior.

Not only did crime rates in America spike but it occured internationally.
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thats the baby boomers..

we ain't got a clue how much damage they really did...:wow:

link is a long read, imma just post a little bit of it....



Decivilization in the 1960s

And figure two, Homicide rates in US and England 1900-2000, shows that in the 1960s the homicide rate in America went through the roof.


Figure two - Homicide rates in US and England 1900-2000

After a three-decade free fall that spanned the Great Depression, World War II, and the Cold War, Americans multiplied their homicide rate by more than two and a half, from a low of 4.0 in 1957 to a high of 10.2 in 1980 (U.S. Bureau of Statistics; Fox and Zawitz: 2007). The upsurge included every other category of major crime as well, including rape, assault, robbery, and theft, and lasted (with ups and downs) for three decades. The cities got particularly dangerous, especially New York, which became a symbol of the new criminality. Though the surge in violence affected all the races and both genders, it was most dramatic among black men, whose annual homicide rate had shot up by the mid-1980s to 72 per 100,000. :francis:

The flood of violence from the 1960s through the 1980s reshaped American culture, the political scene, and everyday life. Mugger jokes became a staple of comedians, with mentions of Central Park getting an instant laugh as a well-known death trap. New Yorkers imprisoned themselves in their apartments with batteries of latches and deadbolts, including the popular “police lock,” a steel bar with one end anchored in the floor and the other propped up against the door. The section of downtown Boston not far from where I now live was called the Combat Zone because of its endemic muggings and stabbings. Urbanites quit other American cities in droves, leaving burned-out cores surrounded by rings of suburbs, exurbs, and gated communities. Books, movies and television series used intractable urban violence as their backdrop, including Little Murders, Taxi Driver, The Warriors, Escape from New York, Fort Apache the Bronx, Hill Street Blues, and Bonfire of the Vanities. Women enrolled in self-defense courses to learn how to walk with a defiant gait, to use their keys, pencils, and spike heels as weapons, and to execute karate chops or jujitsu throws to overpower an attacker, role-played by a volunteer in a Michelin-man-tire suit. Red-bereted Guardian Angels patrolled the parks and the mass transit system, and in 1984 Bernhard Goetz, a mild-mannered engineer, became a folk hero for shooting four young muggers in a New York subway car. A fear of crime helped elect decades of conservative politicians, including Richard Nixon in 1968 with his “Law and Order” platform (overshadowing the Vietnam War as a campaign issue); George H. W. Bush in 1988 with his insinuation that Michael Dukakis, as governor of Massachusetts, had approved a prison furlough program that had released a rapist; and many senators and congressmen who promised to “get tough on crime.” Though the popular reaction was overblown—far more people are killed every year in car accidents than in homicides, especially among those who don’t get into arguments with young men in bars—the sense that violent crime had multiplied was not a figment of their imaginations.

The rebounding of violence in the 1960s defied every expectation. The decade was a time of unprecedented economic growth, nearly full employment, levels of economic equality for which people today are nostalgic, historic racial progress, and the blossoming of government social programs, not to mention medical advances that made victims more likely to survive being shot or knifed. Social theorists in 1962 would have happily bet that these fortunate conditions would lead to a continuing era of low crime. And they would have lost their shirts.

Why did the Western world embark on a three-decade binge of crime from which it has never fully recovered? This is one of several local reversals of the long-term decline of violence that I will examine in this book. If the analysis is on the right track, then the historical changes I have been invoking to explain the decline should have gone into reverse at the time of the surges.

An obvious place to look is demographics. The 1940s and 1950s, when crime rates hugged the floor, were the great age of marriage. Americans got married in numbers not seen before or since, which removed men from the streets and planted them in suburbs (Courtwright 1996). One consequence was a bust in violence. But the other was a boom in babies. The first baby boomers, born in 1946, entered their crime-prone years in 1961; the ones born in the peak year, 1954, entered in 1969. A natural conclusion is that the crime boom was an echo of the baby boom. Unfortunately, the numbers don’t add up. If it were just a matter of there being more teenagers and twenty-somethings who were committing crimes at their usual rates, the increase in crime from 1960 to 1970 would have been 13 percent, not 135 percent.[2] Young men weren’t simply more numerous than their predecessors; they were more violent, too.
This is an interesting read.
 

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Playing Devil's advocate,

You literally have X rapper saying "When we see these nikkas we're gonna do XYZ" and then going out and doing it.

Back in the day, the high amount of violence was exclusively based on Gangs, Poverty Drugs and no other extenuating factors whatsoever. At all. There were no gang diss tracks, there were no sub genres EXCLUSIVELY dedicated to gang violence(Drill Music).

When you put together the fact that Heroin usage is down, Cocaine usage is down, poverty(while still bad) is down, than what sole factor are we left with that keeps the violence going in these communities? What would even be the reason to go in front of a camera and pick up a gun and proclaim you're gonna kill someone?
 

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Let the coli tell it, present day is the end of the world and these kids just dont respect anything and is a lost cause.

But the 70s and even the 80s pre crack were way more violent than today, nikkas didnt even have choppas bacc den. You got cities catching 900+ bodies just off nikkas with revolvers and baseball bats :damn:

Detroit homicides in the 70s:



Chicago homicides in the 70s:




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Theres more but im lazy

This is what I always tell fools on the internet. But you know jokers fall for the Okey doke by the media and forums where jokers just post crime and murder threads and go on and on about how violence is just the worst now a days.
 

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these idiots really saying ppl are BLAMING rap for the violence :deadmanny:
then they will deny the influence of rap but won't be able to explain why celebs are paid millions to endorse certain products :deadmanny:
Right, this topic always reminds me that we (blacks) got a LONG way to go in understanding the tactics of systemic oppression. This is why its so important to learn our history and the ways that the white man has kept us in check not only physically but mentally:

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Here's an interesting thread for you all to read about how the black image has been purposely demonized and manipulated throughout history:

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/iden...s-brutes-c00ns-toms-and-sapphires-etc.221290/


White supremacist-controlled corporate rap is simply a shiny new toy the white man has in his disposal to continue the process of keeping the most negative and ignorant stereotypes of black people out in the forefront.
 

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My pops used to tell me how crazy shyt was back in the 70s and 80s. The only difference now is that we have more eyes on us. That's it.

Yep that really is the difference and it controls murder rates. More cops (never as many cops are there are now), police cameras, media coverage and tougher laws.

All that shyt reduces crime rates. As I said on here before. As a lil kid growing up on Chicago the gangs would actually pick a time to fight and a place. Then show up and have a all out war.

It was so bad that parents would take kids out of school and people would get off work early. The cops would t do shyt.

But now a day if some gangs did that shyt and everyone knew. The cops would stake out the location and bust everyone and throw them in jail before the gang war even started.
 

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I don't think medical advances are part of it seems like triage medicine hasn't changed much. Also population is larger now easily.

Breh medical advances ain't changed that much. Especially when folks who get shot or stabbed even today arent taken to the best hospitals and are usually taken to the shyttiest local city hospitals.

We gonna act like mothafukkas with gun shot wounds don't be in the waiting room of county hospitals even today?

Let's not even talk about how back then and even today when someone is harmed in poor areas the ambulance takes their time to get them or don't come at all.
 
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